Cheex Incarnate Posted June 15, 2003 Report Posted June 15, 2003 Now, I'm sure we've all had something to do with a little Schumacher bashing here and there, adn all of it is well deserved. But one annoying fact has gone ignored long enough. Yesterday when I was watching Batman Forever there is a helicopter chase and at the end, the Two- Face's helicopter crashes into THE STATUE OF LIBERTY?! Now, call me crazy, bu New York City is NOT Gotham City. Jesus I hate Schumacher. -Cheex = Joel Friggin' Schumacher
Guest Ghettoman Posted June 15, 2003 Report Posted June 15, 2003 NYC and Gotham City have always been in a sense the same place so you can't fault him there. Can you name another place constantly refered to as ''Gotham''?
Guest WrestlingDeacon Posted June 16, 2003 Report Posted June 16, 2003 What pisses me off most about Batman Forever is that Harvey Dent was Billy Dee Williams in the first movie and then he morphs into lame, white ass Tommy Lee Jones. Don't tell Teddy Long.
Guest SP-1 Posted June 16, 2003 Report Posted June 16, 2003 I don't think Tommy would have been lame if he was the true Two-Face character. Two-Face is supposed to be a dark, psychotic gangster with a split personality. Instead we get a goofball with an apparent sexual complex about needing two women wearing different colors around him at all times. The whole two villains per film thing is lame.
JasonX Posted June 16, 2003 Report Posted June 16, 2003 What pisses me off most about Batman Forever is that Harvey Dent was Billy Dee Williams in the first movie and then he morphs into lame, white ass Tommy Lee Jones. Don't tell Teddy Long. Urban legend has it that the guys who casted Batman 1 had no clue as to the fact that Harvey Dent was a Bat-Villain and also white, so that when Billie Dee Willaims (a fan of the comic series) auditioned for the roll, he knew that it would guarentee him a lengthy run with the film series. Especially when the writers started working on the script for Batman Returns, which had his part beefed up to be the uber-villain behind Pengiun and Catwoman and laid the groundwork for him becoming Two-Face... But when DC Comics told Warner-Brothers about this when work began on Batman Returns's script, they bought out William's contract (which was for two films) and rewrote his part as being a department store owner and got Christopher Walken to play this new character.
Guest WrestlingDeacon Posted June 16, 2003 Report Posted June 16, 2003 Actually, that might not have been too bad, especially as it builds into the third film. And it's BILLY DEE WILLIAMS, how can you go wrong?
Guest KingOfOldSchool Posted June 16, 2003 Report Posted June 16, 2003 NYC and Gotham City have always been in a sense the same place so you can't fault him there. Can you name another place constantly refered to as ''Gotham''? Pretty much, although there is still an NYC in the DC universe, distinctive from Gotham. But Gotham, while borrowing the nickname for NYC, also was inspired by the seedy underbelly of NYC, much like Metropolis was inspired by the hustle and bustle of Manhattan. So, yes, NYC and Gotham are very much the same, at least in spirit. I don't really remember much about Forever, and I guess I should be thankful for that. But was the Statue of Liberty actually refered to as such? Because if I recall right, there's a Gotham monument which is supposed to be similar to the Statue of Liberty (known as Lady Gotham). I mean, after looking at various scripts, the statue is even refered to as Lady Gotham. So maybe that's what the statue in the movie was intended to be, and not the Statue of Liberty.
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Posted June 16, 2003 Report Posted June 16, 2003 I actually really liked Two-Face and Riddler in this movie, even though they were very different from thier comic characters. Of course, everything else about this movie broke it's back with a mouthfull of it's own dick, but what can you do.
Guest Grand Slam Posted June 16, 2003 Report Posted June 16, 2003 I always thought Metroplolis was "supposed to be" NY, while Gotham was Boston and Capitol City was DC.
Guest starvenger Posted June 16, 2003 Report Posted June 16, 2003 I always thought Metroplolis was "supposed to be" NY, while Gotham was Boston and Capitol City was DC. Metropolis was based on Toronto, but I don't know where it is in the DCU (Cleveland?). Gotham is somewhere close to NYC though.
Guest WrestlingDeacon Posted June 16, 2003 Report Posted June 16, 2003 Metropolis is supposed to be the equivalent of Chicago. According to a good many DC U maps Metropolis is either in Pennsylvania or New Jersey while Gotham is in...Delaware! Oddly, I've never seen Batman go to the screen door factory.
Guest nl5xsk1 Posted June 16, 2003 Report Posted June 16, 2003 Actually, that might not have been too bad, especially as it builds into the third film. And it's BILLY DEE WILLIAMS, how can you go wrong? He kicked major ass in those Colt-45 malt liquor ads. "Colt 45 ... works every time."
Guest starvenger Posted June 16, 2003 Report Posted June 16, 2003 According to a good many DC U maps Metropolis is either in Pennsylvania or New Jersey while Gotham is in...Delaware! Oddly, I've never seen Batman go to the screen door factory. Gotham is in Delaware? OK, I get it now - Batman isn't dark, moody and bitter because his parents were shot in front of him, it's because he has to defend a city in fricking Delaware!!
The Dames Posted June 16, 2003 Report Posted June 16, 2003 What pisses me off most about Batman Forever is that Harvey Dent was Billy Dee Williams in the first movie and then he morphs into lame, white ass Tommy Lee Jones. Don't tell Teddy Long. Urban legend has it that the guys who casted Batman 1 had no clue as to the fact that Harvey Dent was a Bat-Villain and also white, LET ME FUCKING GUESS. Jon Peters. The same guy who is currently insuring that the Superman movie will NEVER be made. Dames
Guest Sturgis Posted June 16, 2003 Report Posted June 16, 2003 According to a good many DC U maps Metropolis is either in Pennsylvania or New Jersey while Gotham is in...Delaware! Oddly, I've never seen Batman go to the screen door factory. Gotham is in Delaware? OK, I get it now - Batman isn't dark, moody and bitter because his parents were shot in front of him, it's because he has to defend a city in fricking Delaware!! This is true Batman DOES live in Delaware.
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted June 17, 2003 Report Posted June 17, 2003 Gotham is New York, which makes Bludhaven Philadelphia, Metropolis is LA, Keystone and Central are the Twin Cities, Coastal City is San Francisco, Opal City is San Diego, Hub City is Sacramento.
Guest Grand Slam Posted June 17, 2003 Report Posted June 17, 2003 But I thought it snowed in Metropolis?
Guest WrestlingDeacon Posted June 17, 2003 Report Posted June 17, 2003 Actually, I double checked and I got things backwards. Metropolis is in Delaware, Gotham is in New Jersey. Metropolis was originally based on Cleveland, as that is where Siegel and Shuster were from. Later elements of Toronto and Chicago were added and it's seen as the equivalent of Chicago.
Guest newblood03 Posted June 17, 2003 Report Posted June 17, 2003 Do you people think the first two Batmans were good because Burton was the director? Do you think the Last two sucked because it has someone else?
Guest mach7 Posted June 17, 2003 Report Posted June 17, 2003 I think the first two Batman's were good because it was consistent. Which, obviously has something to do with having the same director. Even the cast was consistent.
Guest Tony149 Posted June 17, 2003 Report Posted June 17, 2003 I liked the first 3 Batman films. What you saw at the movies and on home video isn't how BF was; WB demanded some scenes be cut (i.e., the opening where Two-Face breaks out of Arkham, leaving a message: "The Bat Must Die"; Bruce meets the giant bat, etc). All of which were shot, and if you look on the net, you might be able to find the screenshots. Joel, Val Kilmer and even Tim Burton liked the uncut version. Maybe one day WB will release it. BF could of been better had WB gone with the original Batchlers script instead of letting Goldsman re-write it. And MrZsasz, what happened to your OHMSS review? I know the AVTAK review didn't get replies, but I enjoyed your review.
Guest Shanghai Kid Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 Batman Forever is actually the most critically acclaimed of the series. I like it. It's way better than Batman and Robin.
Guest Mattdotcom Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 I watched my friend Caleb make a movie with our old Batman action figures at one in the morning a few years ago that's better than Batman and Robin.
Guest newblood03 Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 The rank of the series goes in the order in which they came out. I like BF but it dosen't hold a candle to the first 2.
Guest Choken One Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 Forever was more fun thou...If only just because of Carrey's coolness....
Guest SP-1 Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 I liked the psychological elements of Forever. But really, the super stylized Gotham just doesn't fit.
Guest NCJ Posted June 18, 2003 Report Posted June 18, 2003 Carey was hilarious, if a bit over the top as the Riddler, Kilhmer was a desent Batman, and Jones is okay even though he tries to out Jack Jack Nicholson as Two-Face. The movie is fun and a good popcorn summer flick, but the over the top Gotham and Robin really hurt it. The first two were the best even though some would argue the second was better. Personally I think they are about even. P.S. Clayface and the Ninja from the animated series are the two coolest villans in the Batman cartoon universe to me. Rashougoul is a close third. Batman Beyond and Batman the Animated Series kick way to much ass.
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