ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2003 OK...looking back to the old days of classic WWF...and thinking back to the Late Freddy Blassie, Jimmy Hart, Captain Lou, and others...and then looking recently to guys like Heyman, Flair sortof, Piper, Theodore Long, and for a time Rico, it made me wonder... Is there still a place in the WWE for the male manager? Guys who would build up stables as big as they could, trying to rule the company in their own way? I kinda miss the days when there were many managers. When I started watching wrestling in 1994...we had DiBiase with the Million Dollar Corporation...Jim Cornette and Mr. Fuji with various people...Paul Bearer with the Undertaker, Harvey was still a manager at the time...and I liked seeing that. Seemed more professional looking. What are your thoughts about it? [bTW...I also ask because I'm thinking of trying to become either a manager or a ringside announcer for wrestling] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murmuring Beast 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2003 I say they bring back Oliver Humperdink. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2003 I say they bring back Oliver Humperdink. You remind me of a Venturaism from WrestleMania 4... (Bam Bam and Oliver come out) <Ventura>Ah, here come the Ugly Twins! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BifEverchad Report post Posted June 18, 2003 Theodore Long leading his mini-stable is very entertaining. I wouldnt mind seeing a couple of others join in and bring back the Managers role, from years before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Steviekick Report post Posted June 18, 2003 I think managers, male or female, can effectively contribute to a wrestler when used properly. I don't see why anyone would think that they are not needed any more. Heyman was amazing as the manager for Team Angle/Big Show/Albert/Brock this past year. Excluding Kurt, that whole group was lacking charisma, and he definitely brought enought to mak the rest look like viable heels. That's just my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Steviekick Report post Posted June 18, 2003 Theodore Long leading his mini-stable is very entertaining. I wouldnt mind seeing a couple of others join in and bring back the Managers role, from years before. I totally agree with you. Long is one of my favorite parts of Raw and Heat. The man is amazing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest God Junior Report post Posted June 18, 2003 Seeing as WWE like to push guys with no charisma, you'd think they'd use managers more. If they did, though, the majority of them would probably be female. And from past evidence, it seems that most women are absolutely useless at performing a manager's two most important activities (putting their wrestler over, and helping their wrestler cheat). So yes, I think there's definitely a place in wrestling for male managers, and it's one of very few old-school-style aspect of wrestling that I would love to see return. I've also considering becoming a manager before, mainly because I want to be involved in the business, but I lack the physical conditioning or the desire to get my ass kicked every night. I'd assume the situation is the same for you. Go for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2003 I've also considering becoming a manager before, mainly because I want to be involved in the business, but I lack the physical conditioning or the desire to get my ass kicked every night. I'd assume the situation is the same for you. Go for it. Well, I think I could get used to the being beaten up. I was a Center in my High School Football Team as well as a 215 pound wrestler... But yeah, I'd rather be a manager. Less chances of injuries, more chances of talking...and they just seem to have more fun. Plus, while your competitor is wrestling, you can taunt the fans a bit. EDIT: Oh, and my manager gimmick (like how Heyman used to have the Cell Phone, Hart had the Megaphone, Captain Lou had the rubber bands on his face) would be having mini-title belts on my wrists. As a heel manager, I'd give one to my protegee...have him (or her, depending) wrap the belt around his/her hand and clock his/her opponent with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Youth N Asia Report post Posted June 18, 2003 I like the idea of male managers, guys who help their client win matches. Instead of a pair of tits doing a run in *coughLitacough* and showing up the other workers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2003 I like the idea of male managers, guys who help their client win matches. Instead of a pair of tits doing a run in *coughLitacough* and showing up the other workers. Well...some female managers can work too... Stacy can be beneficial...if they give her someone GOOD to work with... Then back in the day, we had Sherri managing Savage, DiBiase, and Michaels...as well as Liz managing Savage... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Nevermortal Report post Posted June 18, 2003 Yes! Bring in the Dew. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Retro Rob Report post Posted June 18, 2003 I think male managers kick ass, mostly because they have a lot more charisma than most of the girls. The resurgance and general success of male managers over the last year (Flair, Long, Heyman) shows that there is still a place in them even in this day and age. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest netslob Report post Posted June 19, 2003 2 words baby...The Brain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Old Me Report post Posted June 19, 2003 I think male managers is something that the WWE needs to tap into right now, as it could possibly freshen things up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest notJames Report post Posted June 19, 2003 The dilemma with female managers is that they often garner more attention than their male charges. This is primarily due to wrestling attracting a mostly male demographic, but also because the Powers That Be mistakenly think that a hot valet will automatically benefit a less-than-over midcarder, when more often than not the transfer of heat is non-existent. Stacy and Test is a perfect example. Nobody gave a fuck about him until Stacy paired up with him, and even then all the heat went to Stacy… even with the announcers! Compounding this imbalance of heat is the fact that whenever she tried to act or become a factor in a match, she ended up making the both of them look stupid. Effective male managers, however, don't have the fanboys ogling them at the expense of their charges. They also know when to interact with the fans and when to slip into the shadows to let the wrestlers shine. And more often than not, they bump 50x better than their female counterparts. Female non-wrestling valets look terrible when they try to bump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mecha Mummy 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2003 Male managers have been very beneficial in getting people over/making angles interesting (I.E. Paul Heyman managing Brock, Teddy Long leading his group of minorities). The only one who got more heat than his proteges in the last year is Rico, and now Rico's a wrestler anyway. So, yeah, male managers rock... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jester Report post Posted June 19, 2003 Teddy Long is great on the mike. I actually wouldn't mean seeing him as a full time heel colour commentator. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Youth N Asia Report post Posted June 19, 2003 Female managers take too much attention away from the worker...BRING IN DAVE PRAZAK! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewTS Report post Posted June 19, 2003 I think there's a difference between "manager" and "valet" regardless of sex. Liz in the 80's was a valet. She was there to look pretty and occasionally take part in angles. A female manager would have to do most of a wrestler's talking, perhaps interfere in matches, and even take a hit/bump or two to make sure her wrestler wins. Can anyone think of a good example? I guess Daffney could be good example of that, as well as Sherri, Luna, and Liz in many of her WCW stints. That being said, I like having male managers around, although I'd prefer them using someone like Heyman in the booth instead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Youth N Asia Report post Posted June 19, 2003 I liked the way Heyman did with Lesnar. How he was his "client" he would get matches for him, and of course cheat. I'm tired of a set of tits distracting the ref while a guy cheats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewTS Report post Posted June 20, 2003 I liked Heyman in the role, but you have to admit he was a total ham (irony ) and overracted to all hell. The best example of this is when they were doing the Show beatdown of Lesnar, and Paul kept yelling "I HATE YOU! I HATE YOU! I HATE YOU! I HATE YOU!" over and over again. It was supposed to put Heyman and Show over as huge heels, but it just looked so absurd. Plus there was never really a good reason for Heyman to switch sides. Heyman just got this stupid ass idea into his head that Brock couldn't beat the guy who was just beaten by Jeff Hardy a few weeks prior on Raw. Show only really won thanks to Heyman, and when Show was bombing as champ Heyman looked like an asshole. Then came Kurt winning, the stupidly done heel turn, and Anglesault's Favorite Storyline (Brock/Kurt) which made Heyman look like a stupid asshole at every turn before he left TV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Nater Report post Posted June 20, 2003 More people with the talent of Heenan is what they need. Repetition kills your audience, when you can tell that Lawler is gonna screech about puppies or JR with his 'scalded dog' or Cole 'Here, Tonight!' it makes fans not want to watch something they can form for themselves. The commentary and talking is exactly like the ring work. To a point you can cycle the same things over, so that the fans are familiar, but if they arent mixed up or have new elements added in occassionally (buh-gawd) then you arent gonna have an interesting product. You knew Heenan was going to insult somebody's intelligence just as much as you know that Bret will slap on a sharpshooter at some point. The time and build for each has their own, sometimes its right off the bat.. sometimes its at the end or in the middle, but you want to have it and thats why you are there. Throw in a new move or degrading insult and you retain interest. Now we have .. Lawler and HHH. HHH wins with a Pedigree and Lawler will go on about puppies when (female wrestler) appears. As much as I hated Heyman commentary, it still wasnt as routine as Lawler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ultra Violence 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2003 I think that they need a way to use Regal and Foley without creating MORE authority figures. Maybe Regal can manage Storm as part of the boring Angle. They could also use Foley in the "Flair" role in a stable competing with Evolution. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2003 I think that they need a way to use Regal and Foley without creating MORE authority figures. Maybe Regal can manage Storm as part of the boring Angle. They could also use Foley in the "Flair" role in a stable competing with Evolution. I agree about Foley. I was thinking when he was managing Maven that one night, he sort of looked like Captain Lou Albano without the rubber bands in his face. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
