Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 20, 2003 Personally, I think their method of pushing Angle as a face (constantly getting beat up and/or needing to be saved) is one of the worst and ridiculously stupid ass ideas they've had as regards to Kurt, and that's saying alot. But, since no one ever agrees with me, what do you guys think? Is the push working? is he becoming a big face? Should he beat Brock for the belt over the Summer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murmuring Beast 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2003 To get Angle over as a face you need to pit him against a good heel. Ladies and Gentlemen: Christopher Benoit. And bascially do a Austin 2001 with him. Break his ankle, dump his medals, piledrive him on concrete, etc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Zack Malibu Report post Posted June 20, 2003 I'm glad the guy is back in the ring, and he's getting huge face pops. However, I gotta agree that making Brock out to be Angle's lord and savior every time someone breaths on him the wrong way is NOT the way to book him right now. If they two wind up taking each other on at Vengeance in the face/face encounter, think of how dominant it would make Brock seem, going against a guy that he continually bails out of trouble. WWE fumbled the biggest return of the year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoSelfWorth Report post Posted June 20, 2003 Not to mention pissing away any potential rating his first match could get by giving it away with no notiice or build up at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DawnBTVS Report post Posted June 20, 2003 I'm enjoying the chance to see Charlie Haas on the mic as I think he's really doing well with this. Shelton's also holding his own but I feel that Charlie will be the standout of the two. As far as the actual Angle push...as said earlier he is getting big pops however I too dislike the way Brock has to make the save for Angle every time. I think it'd be better if Angle were able to sometimes fight them both off while at other times being unable too(Like if they use chairs, etc.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Zack Malibu Report post Posted June 20, 2003 Another travesty of the face run: What about Charlie and Shelton tearing off the track suits last week and laying them at Angle's lifeless body? If I were backstage, I would have made off like a thief in the night with those things! Fuck, Team Angle or not I still want one of those. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 20, 2003 If he didn't get that awesome video package, and didn't stay face, I'd say this was worse than Benoits. It's really, really, REALLY, close though. Am I supposed to be taking Angle seriously now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Insane Bump Machine Report post Posted June 20, 2003 sucks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2003 Well we all know Angle is getting no face heat...nope, none at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cherry Blossom Viscount 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2003 To get Angle over as a face you need to pit him against a good heel. Ladies and Gentlemen: Christopher Benoit. And bascially do a Austin 2001 with him. Break his ankle, dump his medals, piledrive him on concrete, etc Benoit is not really a good heel. In fact his heel character is his face character, just beating up on the good guys, and vice-versa. There's no depth there. I do like Benjamin and Haas though. Haas is good at drawing heat on the mic and Benjamin is good at drawing heat by doing dastardly actions. The hands behind the back stroll was perfect. These rookies could school a few vets on how to be a heel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Insane Bump Machine Report post Posted June 20, 2003 Well we all know Angle is getting no face heat...nope, none at all. Your sarcasm doesn't fit here. Nobody denies that he gets face heat and big pops. The angle still sucks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nikowwf Report post Posted June 20, 2003 They can still save him. Will they? With their track record, its not likely...but they can still save this angle (no pun intended) easily with a strong performance at MSG this week and continuing right though the PPV. niko Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cherry Blossom Viscount 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2003 Angle is so cheesy as a face. Last night, I was like, why don't Haas and Benjamin just kill this cornball? How can two all star wrestlers be scared of a guy who uses "freakin'!?" It boggles the mind! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted June 20, 2003 Problem with Smackdown is that they really don't have a heel on the level of any of the three faces (Angle, Brock, Hogan). So when they don't obliterate someone on a lower level like a Big Show, Haas or Banjamin they kind of look weak in the process. But WWE just can't wipe those three out since they don't really have another strong heel to step in to take their place. So you have to have Big Show standing tall every once in a while to make the program competitive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 20, 2003 If he didn't get that awesome video package, and didn't stay face, I'd say this was worse than Benoits. It's really, really, REALLY, close though. Am I supposed to be taking Angle seriously now? Well, he's been back three weeks. Since then, he's been beat up three times and saved twice. It makes him look incompetant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 20, 2003 They can still save him. Will they? With their track record, its not likely...but they can still save this angle (no pun intended) easily with a strong performance at MSG this week and continuing right though the PPV. niko That sounds eerily like our straegy for the Brock feud that never got better. Wait till Next Week" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 20, 2003 Problem with Smackdown is that they really don't have a heel on the level of any of the three faces (Angle, Brock, Hogan). So when they don't obliterate someone on a lower level like a Big Show, Haas or Banjamin they kind of look weak in the process. But WWE just can't wipe those three out since they don't really have another strong heel to step in to take their place. So you have to have Big Show standing tall every once in a while to make the program competitive. I ask you: When has Angle looked strong? He has to get the upperhand over SOMEONE. He has yet to do that. I've never seen a "big face" push where the guy is always getting killed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 20, 2003 In other words, they're lazy and don't want to develop talent, so they just use Big Show as a heel cause he's big and doesn't have to be built up all that much to look threatening... ...but does anyone believe he's a threat to the title? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted June 20, 2003 He beat Haas cleanly and then got attacked, so it sort of cancels out one of them being booked stronger than the other. But anyway, I think its safe to say the majority of people would put Angle higher on the hierarchy than Haas, Benjamin or Show. So if Angle blows them out of the water, all the heat is gone and you're left with nothing for him to do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 20, 2003 Which is why you turn Lesnar heel against a face Angle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2003 They blew their chance in making Cena a credible heel, or I should say Undertaker sabotaged for them when he made Cena look like a jobber during the #1 contender tournament. Personally if you really wanna complain just look at how bad and confusing the current Benoit/Rhyno situation is when those are the only two guys right now that they could elevate as the main heels on Smackdown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2003 Which is why you turn Lesnar heel against a face Angle. Bleh, I think you kill Lesnar's heat if you turn him heel right now considering he just turned face 8 months ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 20, 2003 But anyway, I think its safe to say the majority of people would put Angle higher on the hierarchy than Haas, Benjamin or Show. So if Angle blows them out of the water, all the heat is gone and you're left with nothing for him to do. I agree he shouldn't be destroying the top heels on the show every week (He certainly should beat SOMEONE up though) But don't you agree that, when turning a long time heel face, you don't have him come out on the short end EVERY SINGLE WEEK? Once they get behind him, you can even it out a little. But in the beginning, he should be a force to be reckoned with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted June 20, 2003 Which is why you turn Lesnar heel against a face Angle. Hey I'm just trying to answer the question posed Triple R. Believe me, this is not the situation I would want to have in the uppercard in at the moment. Trying to make a captivating pay per view without some rapid switcheroo sending someone to the heel side is going to be a bear. They've pretty much slaughtered the heel side of things to the point where Roddy Piper and Sean O'Haire could be tag team champions. I mean EEK. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DawnBTVS Report post Posted June 20, 2003 Brock's finally starting to get over right now as well so I think if you turn him heel, you'll kill his heat and thus kill Kurt's heat if they feud. Only way Brock could be over as a heel is with Heyman and even then, Brock's too vanilla in the ring to work as a heel(intensity = face pops) but it's able to work as a face cause of his intesnity Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cherry Blossom Viscount 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2003 Hey, whatever happened to Cena anyway? One minute it seemed the show revolved around him, now it seems like he's disspeared. They could throw him in there with the Brock/Show/Angle/Haas/Benjamin debacle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted June 20, 2003 I agree he shouldn't be destroying the top heels on the show every week (He certainly should beat SOMEONE up though) I think the win over Haas was SUPPOSED to do that. But the two beatdowns sort of erased that from the fans' memories so nobody got anything out of the deal. So if I have the book, Angle plays the hero for the six man since Hogan is completely industructable in the heat sense and Brock will get heat simply off tossing Show around which he can do without playing the hot face. But don't you agree that, when turning a long time heel face, you don't have him come out on the short end EVERY SINGLE WEEK? I can see why they are letting The Best Damn Sports Show Period get a little bit up on him because they need to get elevated to a higher level now. But on his return night, Show should have never done the choke thing to bring out Lesnar. That was a big time mistake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2003 Hey, whatever happened to Cena anyway? One minute it seemed the show revolved around him, now it seems like he's disspeared. They could throw him in there with the Brock/Show/Angle/Haas/Benjamin debacle. Well if they go ahead with the stable of Benoit/Rhyno/Haas/Benjamin with Cena as a moutpiece he'll be around a lot more but at this point I don't know how they will set that up with the shades of grey they have with the Benoit/Rhyno situation. At this point I think they may end up turning Cena face. Edit: Now that I think of it they probably won't ever go with the above stable because of how much better it would look than Evolution. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spaceman Spiff Report post Posted June 20, 2003 Cena's on Velocity, along w/ Mattitude. Because, when you want to show off your fresh, exciting characters, throw them on Velocity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nl5xsk1 Report post Posted June 20, 2003 I think that a match like last night's was satisfactory ... he struggled because of the interference from Benjamin but still won the match. Haas still ended up looking credible in losing (so he didn't lose any heat), yet Angle looked strong in winning the match despite the interference of Benjamin. During a two-on-one beatdown, the one should ALWAYS look helpless. It's what happens when you're getting your ass attacked by two people. Keeping both Angle and Lesnar faces is the best option right now - then, whoever turns on the other will deserve the heel heat that they'll generate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
