The 25 Dumbest Moments in Gaming

[Guest Kingpk]

I don't understand why #2 is so high. Yeah, "punishing" Nintendo by giving gamers incentive to buy more games is pretty amusingly retarded, but did it really have an effect on anything?

I agree. I'd put Sega releasing the Saturn 3 months early at #2 simply because of how Sega's reasoning backfired on them horribly: they wanted to get an early leg-up on the Playstation, but Sony just dropped their price to $100 less than Saturn and tried for the mainstream gamer, which sunk the Saturn immediately.

 

The Saturn was a bigger flop than the 64 IMO because it fell flat on it's face out of the gate and I can count the number of great and popular Saturn games on one hand. Nintendo at least had Mario 64 going for it, the Saturn never even had a Sonic game, did it?

[Guest DerangedHermit]

Nintendo at least had Mario 64 going for it, the Saturn never even had a Sonic game, did it?

It had Sonic 3D Blast. Whoop-dee-fucking-doo!

[Guest AndrewTS]

The Saturn was a bigger flop than the 64 IMO because it fell flat on it's face out of the gate and I can count the number of great and popular Saturn games on one hand. Nintendo at least had Mario 64 going for it, the Saturn never even had a Sonic game, did it?

 

Does the n64 have any great and popular games on it besides Mario 64, the AKI games, and the Zeldas, really?

 

Sonic 3D Blast and Sonic Jam are the only Sonic games the Saturn had. One's a version of an "eh" 16-bit game with slightly more color and better bonus stages. The other is just a collection of the 16 bit games.

 

While it has fewer games, Jam is still better than Mega Collection.

 

But no, the Saturn never got the expected Sonic Xtreme, which had a development cycle a little bit like Nukem forever (many engine changes and development team personnel changes) and never was released.

[The Dames 0]

N64 had No Mercy...arguably the greatest wrestling game of all time.

 

That alone gives it a thumbs up in my book.

 

Dames

[Guest AndrewTS]

N64 had No Mercy...arguably the greatest wrestling game of all time.

 

That alone gives it a thumbs up in my book.

 

Dames

Since I had borrowed Mario from a friend and beat it, that was the only game keeping me from holding onto my Doorstop 64. I got rid of it when I heard that Wrestlemania X8 was being made by some members of the AKI team.

 

Stupid rumors...but at least selling it cleared out room for me.

[Guest KoR Fungus]

Bangai-O? Skies of Arcadia? The Sonic Adventures? Jet Grind Radio? The Crazy Taxis? The Marvel vs. Capcoms? The Power Stones? Virtual On: Oratorio Tengram? Project Justice? Most or all as good or better games than Tekken Tag. Hell, TTT is a direct ripoff of the Marvel/Capcom games.

 

I'm willing to concede that I can see how people think SC is a better game than TTT (although I disagree), but to put the rest of those games above it just demonstrates ignorance of how good TTT really is. I don't think anyone that took the time to really explore high level TTT and see how incredibly deep it is would ever say that it's a worse game than stuff like Crazy Taxi, Sonic Adventure or Powerstone. Unfortunately, most people just passed it off as an upgrade (I've seen TK3 to TTT compared with VF3 to VF3tb... ugh such ignorance) and ignored it. Ugh. It's so underrated.

 

The Saturn was a bigger flop than the 64 IMO because it fell flat on it's face out of the gate and I can count the number of great and popular Saturn games on one hand. Nintendo at least had Mario 64 going for it, the Saturn never even had a Sonic game, did it?

 

Yeah, the Saturn definitely didn't do as well, but given the expectations, I'd say that the N64 may have been the bigger flop. People were ambivalent about the Saturn when it came out and still really upset at Sega for the Sega CD and 32X. Otoh, N64 was surrounded with as much hype as I'd ever seen for a system, had an absolute killer ap in Mario 64 and was expected by most to come in and crush the competition. For the N64 to do as badly as it did (relative to PSX, anyway) given those circumstances and for Nintendo to go from a position of absolute power to struggling to survive in the console market is a pretty monumental failure.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

I'm not a tekken head in the first place, and overall, I'm pretty indifferent to most games. Soulcalibur has nicer graphics than anything else I've ever seen on the DC, sweet control, good characters, cool moves, neat weapons, and it's FUN. Hence, its' my favorite game for the system.

 

Crazy Taxi makes me want to stab. I hate it muchly.

[Guest bravesfan]

Speaking of the Dreamcast, did Shenmue ever pan out to be a game worth the hype?

[Mecha Mummy 0]

I'm a little surprised that the Virtual Boy is only #10. I remember that being a total disaster.

[Guest Nevermortal]

The Saturn was a bigger flop than the 64 IMO because it fell flat on it's face out of the gate and I can count the number of great and popular Saturn games on one hand. Nintendo at least had Mario 64 going for it, the Saturn never even had a Sonic game, did it?

 

Does the n64 have any great and popular games on it besides Mario 64, the AKI games, and the Zeldas, really?

Donkey Kong Country 64, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Banjo Kazooie, Banjo Tooie, Super Smash Brothers, Starfox 64, Castlevania 64, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Mario Kart 64, and Diddy Kong Racing were all exceptional titles on the n64.

 

To this day, I consider N64 to be my favorite system of all time. I like it better than the SNES.

 

Speaking of the Dreamcast, did Shenmue ever pan out to be a game worth the hype?

 

Shenmue is an awesome game. Its worth anyone's time.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

*can't decide if he likes SNES or PS better*

Well the Sega Genesis did own. But what was the deal with the Mortal Kombat games having such shitty graphics?

[Guest SP-1]

The Saturn was a bigger flop than the 64 IMO because it fell flat on it's face out of the gate and I can count the number of great and popular Saturn games on one hand. Nintendo at least had Mario 64 going for it, the Saturn never even had a Sonic game, did it?

 

Does the n64 have any great and popular games on it besides Mario 64, the AKI games, and the Zeldas, really?

Donkey Kong Country 64, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Banjo Kazooie, Banjo Tooie, Super Smash Brothers, Starfox 64, Castlevania 64, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Mario Kart 64, and Diddy Kong Racing were all exceptional titles on the n64.

 

To this day, I consider N64 to be my favorite system of all time. I like it better than the SNES.

 

Speaking of the Dreamcast, did Shenmue ever pan out to be a game worth the hype?

 

Shenmue is an awesome game. Its worth anyone's time.

I'd have to agree with you there. I've gone back and bought a secondhand N64 once or twice. It really was a good system, and I never thought that it did all that terribly, insofar as the games it put out. Goldeneye is one of the greatest battle games of all time, in my book. Perfect Dark came close, but Goldeneye is playable just as much for me today as the day it came out. No matter how repetitive it may seem, it's still fun as hell.

[Guest AndrewTS]

*can't decide if he likes SNES or PS better*

Well the Sega Genesis did own. But what was the deal with the Mortal Kombat games having such shitty graphics?

The Genesis can only display 64 colors on screen at one time. However, if you mean MK1, it was handled by a different team, as mentioned in the reader's dumbest moments in regards to MK1's censorship.

 

A team that obviously wasn't as good working with the Genesis than the team who worked on the SNES version. MK1 CD also was a horrible disappointment--the Genesis version with slightly better sound and LOADING TIMES! YAY!

 

However, MKII is extremely shitty on the Genesis. It's bad enough you can't pause the game during gameplay (something I don't think the SNES version has either), but they didn't even try to replicate the arcade music. They made some horribly generic music instead.

 

BTW, Sakura, you're missing my point. You think TTT is all that and a bag of chips, but others don't. And as far as I'm concerned, the DC had an amazing library of games that makes it my favorite system overall. I have over twenty DC games and only about 5 PS2 games. Not that the PS2 doesn't have quality games, but I just prefer the DC library. In fact, in many ways the DC is more powerful than the PS2, believe it or not.

 

As for Shenmue, I think it's too slow to really be considered great.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Did they ever release the second Shenmue?

Yeah that's what I'm talking about is the extremely shitty version of MKII on Genesis.

I remember when I was a kid my brother kept the Genesis in his room and I kept the SNES in my room. My dad was a manager at a video store and he brought both versions home to keep us from fighting over it. 5 minutes later my brother was at my door asking if he could play the SNES one.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Did they ever release the second Shenmue?

On the X-Box, and in Japan and Europe it came out on the Dreamcast. We didn't get it here, though.

 

Yeah that's what I'm talking about is the extremely shitty version of MKII on Genesis.

I remember when I was a kid my brother kept the Genesis in his room and I kept the SNES in my room. My dad was a manager at a video store and he brought both versions home to keep us from fighting over it. 5 minutes later my brother was at my door asking if he could play the SNES one.

 

The 32X version is still slightly superior, but yeah, overall the SNES version is best. Plus it's one of the few times when the SNES controller is perfectly suited to a fighting game. The 2 punches and kicks fit the front layout of the controller well, with the block button right on the triggers.

 

EDIT: Actually, the Saturn MKII was the best--basically arcade perfect. However, I still prefer playing it with the SNES pad, and the AI seems cheaper on the Saturn version. Still, it was released long after MK3 hit the PS and was released on a dying system.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Eh....MKII was better than III so I wouldn't have minded buying it.

MKIII has no soul.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Eh....MKII was better than III so I wouldn't have minded buying it.

MKIII has no soul.

I agree 100%, although Sakura wouldn't.

 

"OOooooohraaaa!!" *cheap tap-tap combo*"

[Guest Kid Kablam]

I read the articles, and I was surprised. I expected some sort of Seanbaby-like burn list of 25 dumb goofs, and wound up reading an incredibly well-researched and insightful series of journalistic pieces about the trials and tribulations of the video game industry. Really interesting stuff for hardcore fans.

Hell, I'm not much of a gamer, and I thoroughly enjoyed the list. They explained each of their decisions well, as well as providing a nice amount of background info.

[Guest Sakura]

Mortal Kombat discussion, awesome.

 

 

MK for Sega CD is ok, I guess. They changed more than just the music, though it isn't much. Off the top of my head I know at least the backgrounds were changed. Like the bodies in The Pit were added and the blood on Goro's Lair.

 

You can't pause in any 16 bit version of MK or MK II.

 

MK3 chain combos are not cheap. MK3's combo system is deeper and better than II's.

 

MK II on Saturn is not arcade perfect. It is missing a Fatality, has bad load time and is missing a TON of the sound. 32X MK II is ass just like the Genesis one, it's sole draw being the intro screens. PC is the best overall port, but who wants to play MK II on the PC and I never did get it to work 100% right. Genesis is ass like we've said. Master System, Gameboy and Gamegear are of course out of the question. PSX is a port of the Saturn port. SNES port is pretty good but is not arcade perfect or anywhere near it, even though it often gets hyped as being this awesome perfect port. I'd still give it the nod as the best conversion though.

[Guest AndrewTS]

What fatality is missing from the Saturn version?

 

And I didn't notice the load timing being any worse than most games. *shrug* Sound seemed pretty damn good to me, but yeah, I remember now that sound samples like "___ wins" and "Fatality" are missing.

 

They had a Playstation port of it?

 

And SNES was basically the most bang for the buck, and it was the most accurate and timely translation, obviously.

 

However, did you notice that when guys are lying on their back in MKII SNES they look much shorter? What's up with that.

[Guest Sakura]

Saturn is missing Shang Tsung's Kintaro Fatality.

 

Yes, there is a PSX port. Only released in Japan. Beta copies are floating around somewhere on the internet too.

 

Yep, I've noticed. Shang is VERY short looking.