Ecstasy

[Guest BigPoppaKev]

Last night I tried ecstasy for the first time. I was a little nervous about doing it but I must admit it was probably the greatest feeling I have ever had. It was like everything in the world was right. The only problem I had with it is that I couldnt get to sleep until about 5 in the morning after take it at 7:30 the previous night. Also right now being about 1 the next day I am still feeling the affects of it on ym body. It isn't a bad thing like a hangover. It is just very weird and I can't really describe it. But all in all it was a great experience that I don't think I will ever forget.

 

For your information this is a link to the info about the pill I took:

http://www.pillreports.com/viewpill.php3su...area=1&id=34681

 

Anyone else have any stories about rolling on E?

[Murmuring Beast 0]

You are a fucking moron.

[Guest Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye]

Great experience huh? Good grief...

 

That being said I'll relate my story. It's not about E but about Ephedrine, a main ingredient in the drug and the same thing that killed the baseball player. It can be taken (usually takes at least 2 pills) recreationally, and gives an effect somewhat like E. I took it a few times. Was a decent high until the last time I did it(and the last time WAS the last time for sure).

 

I took it one night and buzzed out to some red lights and Anathema. Went home, it cause me a nervous breakdown and I came very close to offing myself. Sheer luck prevented it.

 

 

Long story short...the shit is too unpredictable. If you really feel you *must* alter your mind somehow, there's nothing wrong with a little weed, or a shot of Jack.

[Guest El Satanico]

good god man...your spine...it's rotting

 

 

I'm not really into doing man made drugs. I like to keep it natural.

[Guest BigPoppaKev]

I was kind of expecting somewhat of a negative backlash such as 'You are a fucking moron. ' I understand why people would say that but I don't think doing it once is all that bad of a thing. I have smoked weed, I have drank and I just felt like doing something new. I don't plan on doing it often at all. Like maybe once a year or something. I do not regret the experience at all because it was just so unbelievable.

[Guest KJ Brackish]

You are a fucking moron.

HEY YO! DON'T KNOCK IT TILL YA'VE TRIED IT!

 

Anyway on to other matters.... I, the good little Utahn have tried it. In fact, alot of Utahs are druggies! Well, I only did it twice and OOOH the emotions you feel.....hell yeah! But as El Satanico has said, ain't nothing better than natural stuff. I've done many-a-drug before including some "hardkore" drugs. I WILL NOT do any needle drugs though. That's just too nasty and the goddamn drugs that you need to use a needle! They are horrible! I can safely say that X = Very Good Shrooms! I'm serious, I had *sorta* the same effect on some VERY good shrooms once. This is all IMO of course!

 

DFA

[Guest Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye]

I don't plan on doing it often at all. Like maybe once a year or something

 

Funny. That's how it starts with most drugs doesn't it?

 

Would you try cocaine? That would be "just unbelievable" to. Same with gay sex I bet. Maybe murdering someone?

 

I'm glad you were expecting to see a "you are a fucking moron" responce, because by and large taking drugs is remarkably dumb.

 

Once isn't bad at all huh? There are a lot of people who have said that, and I bet nowadays they would punch you in the face for saying it...

[Guest KJ Brackish]

I find it wierd that I've done all of these drugs, yet have no *urge* to do them agayne. I mean, I might smoke weed if its there, but I won't go out and buy it along with not buying any other drugs! Am I abnormal or something? Or am I just immune to the addictiveness in the drugs? I just don't know because if someone handed me meth agayne, I would gladly turn it down. IMO

 

DFA

[Guest Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye]

I'd bet that the reasons for you doing them became a lot less relevant in your life.

 

 

And most drugs are engineered too well for people to be "immune" to their addictiveness.

[Guest KJ Brackish]

I did them because like I've said, I'll try everything once. I know that these drugs are poison, and I know the effects, and I guess thats why I took low "dosage" of it all. The drugs didn't effect my life in any way/shape/form, except for the fact that after I took them all, I was dawg ass tired.

 

DFA

[Guest El Satanico]

Some people just don't get addicted to stuff.

 

I have one of those nonaddictive personalities as well.

 

Only weak willed fuckers let themselves get dependant on something.

[Yuna_Firerose 0]

Some people just don't get addicted to stuff.

 

I have one of those nonaddictive personalities as well.

 

Only weak willed fuckers let themselves get dependant on something.

I'm that way with Stackers. Everyone says how addicting they are, yet I only take them when I need to stay up real late or whatever, which is very rare for me.

[Guest Ten Ton Lid]

Once, didn't care much for it, moved on. Somehow, I managed to escape without becoming hopelessly addicted, retarded, insane or dead. I must be one of them million-to-one flukejobs.

 

As for keeping things natural, everything ultimately does have its origin in nature. I mean, where else is it going to come from? Chemicals don't just appear out of thin air - at some point, you have to have materials. Plenty of molecules appear in nature, too. Salvia is arguably the most potent hallucinogen around (so much that it's recreationally useless - more of a shamanic thing), and it's just a plant. Some of the most potent toxins on earth are entirely natural, as is a lot of radiaoctive material. It's a false dichotomy.

 

That said, dismissing all drugs out of hand isn't really a coherent position. Most of the 'good' painkillers are opiate derivatives. Are these wrong, too? Plenty of people have become addicted to them during the course of normal use, but plenty haven't. Are they only wrong if you enjoy them? Or are you still a "fucking moron" if you rip up your back and take the normal course of (what can be extremely potent) prescription medication. The fact that you're injured doesn't change the rest of your system. You're not under a doctor's supervision once you're at home with your bottle of pills, and what if you accidentally enjoy them, unsupervised, while taking the prescribed dose for your injury?

 

Lots of people have gone too far, ODed, taken shit they thought was something else, etc., and died or fucked themselves up. That can't be denied. But the knee-jerk OMG DRUGZ IS TEH BAD! stance doesn't strike me as the most informed of positions, and "keeping it natural" isn't as safe as it appears. Especially not if you're including alcohol in that. Look at the number of lives alcohol has pooched entirely, to bring out that old chestnut of an argument.

 

Yes, drugs can fuck you up. So can everything else, pretty much. They can also be damn enjoyable, or even helpful (in the case of say, painkillers or if you ask a "psychonaut", some artists, etc., etc.) There seem to be only two equally completely unreliable streams of information out there - hippies who tell you that, basically, "nothing will hurt you ever sop go do everything right now, square", and D.A.R.E. style shit that tells you everything does, instantly and on the first use. But it's not a case of one-shot-unlucky ALL, or even most of the time. Otherwise, we might notice the world's sudden and surprising lack of athletes, celebrities, and for that matter, high school and college students. It's not a "flat rate" deal - some people DON'T get addicted, some people know their limits, some people can, basically, handle their drugs. Think of everyone you know drinking the exact same amount of alcohol. Now think of their reactions. Different, right? Maybe some of of them, after repreated tests, are showing signs of alcoholism, but I'd bet that ALL of them aren't. I'd even bet against a majority. The analogy's not perfect, but it's a lot closer than some people/groups would have you believe.

 

Don't interpret this as me saying "go out and do drugs". If you're not into it, fine, I'm not promoting it. But don't throw your generalities at the rest of us - whatever happened to smug silence. In fact, I'd say don't do drugs, at least not in Canada, because my town's dry enough as it is. But "if you try any drug (other than the "safe" ones of the moment) you're fucked and will be a druggie for life is wrong, and frankly, insulting.

 

And, (pasted in because I always fuck up the quote function), there must be somebody who'd find parts of this comparison by RHTITE particularly offensive.

 

"Would you try cocaine? That would be "just unbelievable" to. Same with gay sex I bet. Maybe murdering someone?"

 

Personally, I don't like the Reefer Madness-style direct equation between trying cocaine and trying murder, but methinks "gay sex" being on the list at all might embitter some other people even more. But look at how it plays off all the common fears - this is the same way everyone is and always has been roped by "all or nothing" drug 'education'.

 

This has been a Ten Ton Lid bizarre rant.

[Guest Ace309]

Ephedrine isn't the main ingredient in Ecstasy. Ephedrine isn't even IN Ecstasy.

[Guest Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye]

Ace309 Posted on Jun 28 2003, 01:42 PM

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Ephedrine isn't the main ingredient in Ecstasy. Ephedrine isn't even IN Ecstasy. 

 

Really?

 

I guess I could have been a bit more clear with my post on it though.

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

Isn't Ecstacy a mix of the most dangerous of drugs such as cocaine, heroin, etc? People have died from taking that just ONE time you know?

[Guest BigPoppaKev]

I really don't see the big deal of doing it once. I am young and am just having fun. I can control myself with anything I want to do. I don't get addicted to anything so I am really not worried about becoming dependant on E. I know all of the side affects and such if you do it over a long period of time and do it many times. I really honestly don't see myself ever getting to a stage where I am dependant on a drug. If I didn't think I could handle it I wouldn't have done it. E will be the strongest drug I ever do. I have been offered and had the chance to d cocaine but I didn't do it and never do plan on doing it. I think as long as I am able to keep it under control it isn't a horrible thing to do. Drinking is not all that much better than E in my opinion. My friends have driven while taken E and none of them have ever been in accident while on it. They go and drink 8 beers or whatever and they get in accidents. Just look at how many people die because of drunk driving accidents. How come drinking isn't illegal when it probably kills more people in a year than E ever has.

[Guest HungryJack]

drinking at your age IS illegal, dumbass. You have to be a certain age to buy, and consume in public. If kids your age wouldn't go and drink '8 beers or whatever' then they wouldn't get in accidents. Not to mention the fact that drinking and driving is ALSO illegal. Drinking is perfectly fine, as long as people are responsible about it. Same with most things.I just dislike E because I associate it with stupid ravers. And stupid ravers are teh sucks.

[Guest crandamaniac]

I had an ex who was addicted to E. It was to the point where she couldn't even function without taking it. She ended up having to give up her 1 yr old son (her mom has custody of him). I haven't heard from her in a couple of months, but what I've heard thru mutual friends is that she's still on E.

 

And with Drugs, I guess you could say that I have a narrow mind on them. It's fucking stupid that you take something that could have far reaching effects on you, just for a bit of "pleasure". To me it's completely stupid. and since you said you was expecting it...YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON!

[Guest Ten Ton Lid]

Isn't Ecstacy a mix of the most dangerous of drugs such as cocaine, heroin, etc? People have died from taking that just ONE time you know?

Not to rag on yourpost in particular (and no, unless it's local slang or something that's completely not E being passed off as such), but people have died from alcohol poisoning, asphyxiation on their own vomit, etc. their first time drinking, too. And mixing your shit is usually not a good idea - part of being a responsible user is doing your research. I wouldn't mix alcohol and antibiotics either (it's just the chance of getting really sick, rather than dying, but it works as a comparison. Although I can't think of anyone I know who takes antibiotics recreationally. So let's say alcohol and a bag of nutmeg )

 

Hell, people have died crossing the street one time, to borrow a move from some of the more dramatic on the other side and use a completely false analogy (unless there was like, something really good on the other side of the street - how many times are you willing to run back and forth across it to get it (percentage wise), are you going to push it so far that you're psychologically compelled to cross that street all the time, etc...it's still a false analogy, but I'm having fun here).

There are risks involved in everything, and exaggerating/mis-stating those risks (and invalidating an entire subgroup of people based on it) is an overly quick, overly simple reaction that doesn't really help anyone. I accept that there are addicts. But there are also drug users who aren't addicted. I prefer to count myself among the latter ranks because, while I enjoy the occasional indulgence, I don't require it. The problem isn't solely the drugs - they weren't hurting anybody until someone went and took them - it's also people either not knowing their capacity, not knowing who they're with (who they're buying from, foolishly sharing a needle with, etc.) what they actually have, not knowing what to do, not knowing the limits of their willpower, etc., etc., etc. The human factor is as important as the chemical one, and, as every human is different, you really can't justifiably make sweeping generalizations. Yes, it's unfortunate that the person mentioned later in the thread is addicted to the point of not being functional. But several people I know (and some I count as friends) take E on a semi-regular basis (more than annually, but not to the ridiculous excess) and are still functioning members of society who have never robbed me, are still employed/in school, and in short still live up to their responsibilities. Part of it is fighting the psychological addiction, which is literally all in your mind (physical addiction is a different can of worms, but with most drugs it's the lesser of the two compulsions), and can be resisted with willpower and common sense. If I got drunk every day, I could well become an alcoholic. That's why I don't drink every day. That's why I don't indulge in any recreational substance every day. Accept that you're not going to get to feel the rush all the time and resist the urge to do so - a weak will and instant gratification don't mix, but again, everyone's level of willpower is different. Doper know thyself.

Edited June 28, 2003 by Ten Ton Lid

[Guest Anglesault]

I was kind of expecting somewhat of a negative backlash such as 'You are a fucking moron. ' I understand why people would say that but I don't think doing it once is all that bad of a thing. I have smoked weed, I have drank and I just felt like doing something new. I don't plan on doing it often at all. Like maybe once a year or something. I do not regret the experience at all because it was just so unbelievable.

You're just too damn cool.

[Guest Mik at Cornell]

I'm by no means a drug user, but just from watching movies, I think the cocain/heroin mix that someone was talking about earlier is "Liquid Exstacy" while Ecstacy is just a pill you can take. Don't quote me on that.

 

And whoever said they got a real bad reaction off Ephedrine, I say huh? It killed a baseball player (and tons of other athletes) because they took a high dosage and then exercised until they had no water left in their body. If Joe Couch Potato popped an ephedrine pill and then sat on the couch, he would most likely have NO effects except maybe sweating a little bit. It's not like it's a recreational drug, it's used to gain a competitive edge in sports. I used to take Hydroxycut (diet supplement that contains ephedrine) way back in high school when I played football (before any of this crazy stuff happened and weightlifting was a big part of my life) and I never had a single effect from it...except losing weight. I don't see how you had such a bad reaction.

 

With that said, I went on to go to college where I currently study nutritional biochemistry and after studying neutriceuticals, I'm staying as far away from ephedrine as possible, BUT I still don't see how you had such a bad reaction, because the effects are supposed to be long term, not short.

[Guest Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye]

If Joe Couch Potato popped an ephedrine pill and then sat on the couch, he would most likely have NO effects except maybe sweating a little bit

 

 

Joe Couch Potato popped 8....Then it starts to get recreational.

[Guest MrRant]

And the IQ of the human race continues to plummet now past the 3 Toed Sloth.

[Guest Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye]

I cant help but feel partially responsible.

 

 

 

For some of the other guys, I feel kinda bad. I learned my lesson in resounding fashion. These guys don't seem too interested in doing so.

[Guest La Parka Es Mi Papa]

Isn't Ecstacy a mix of the most dangerous of drugs such as cocaine, heroin, etc? People have died from taking that just ONE time you know?

 

That is called a speedball, I believe. Either way, it's definetly not ecstacy.

[Guest SweetNSexyDiva]

My husband and I were thinking about trying it together once (before children), but I saw some special about it on tv and it freaked me out. I like the wrinkles on my brain, and the fact that we lose several thousand brain cells just waking up everyday is enough lost IMO. Why should I contribute to smoothing my brain out with drugs and accounting for millions of brain cells lost? Au naturale is good for me.

[Guest Sandman9000]

I've had my mind seriously fucked up before.

 

It's called a concussion.

 

I liked it so much I had five more.

 

I don't know where I'm going here.

 

Help.

[Guest KJ Brackish]

I've had my mind seriously fucked up before.

 

It's called a concussion.

 

I liked it so much I had five more.

 

I don't know where I'm going here.

 

Help.

It don't matter man....we still just appreciate your wisdom and stories that you bestowed upon us :-D

 

Really though.... I was in gifted and talented classes all through school up until 7th grade, so I think I have a few extra cells to spare and I wasted em on these drugs...and yes....my intellegence is lowing by the second.

 

DFA

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Know your drugs, kids.

 

Ecstasy is (in theory) 3,4-methylenedioxy-n-methylamphetamine, aka MDMA. If memory serves, it was first invented during the search for a nonaddictive synthetic opiate. In its pure form, the stuff isn't very dangerous at all, aside from of course the risks one runs with any hallucinogen, but those are purely psychological, and not physical. MDMA will not rot away your spine or your brain. The thing is, it's not too easy to tell if the roll you got from the guy at the party is actually X, or a cocktail of other drugs laced with MDMA or MDE.

 

Hence, I did the stuff once, and have avoided it ever since.