Rendclaw 0 Report post Posted August 20, 2003 I remember when he was one of the more dangerous players in the league.... that was a *long* time ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mindless_Aggression Report post Posted August 20, 2003 Gill is still a pretty solid bench player and IMO thats exactly what the Bulls need, they've got a damn good starting line up all of a sudden and now they need a little to stack their bench a little. The Mavs should try to lure Kerr out of his brief retirement. Just so the other team never ever gets a chance to stop guarding their most dangerous weapon, the 3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rendclaw 0 Report post Posted August 20, 2003 That's all Steve can do these days, shoot the 3. Let him retire with his multiple rings. ::still is wondering what is going on in Orlando, aside from the Florida weather:: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mindless_Aggression Report post Posted August 20, 2003 Uh...Orlando signed Tyrone Lue and Howard, if thats what you mean. Respectable line up frankly, Lue, Mcgrady, Howard, Gooden, maybe Steven Hunter in the middle, and Gordon coming off the bench. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted August 20, 2003 Oh, and Grant Hill said "Fuck that out all season noise, I'm playing next year bitches and thats that...now let me go home and fuck my fine ass wife." Well...not that exactly but if you read in between the lines thats what he said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted August 20, 2003 Add another arrest to the list...Kwame Brown. He was arrested on DUI charges, with a blood alcohol level of about twice the normal limit, and the cops found an emty container. I heard this on FSN. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kurt Angle Mark 0 Report post Posted August 20, 2003 Here is the latest on Lamar Odom --------------------------------------------------- Clippers pondering passing on Odom By Chad Ford NBA Insider Send an Email to Chad Ford Wednesday, August 20 Updated: August 20 8:09 AM ET Clippers owner Donald Sterling found his wallet this summer when he (finally) agreed to pay Elton Brand and Corey Maggette a combined $124 million over the next six years. Did he find a coherent basketball strategy too? After privately claiming for the past week that the Clips intend to match the Heat's six-year, $65 million offer to Lamar Odom, a source inside the Clippers, for the first time this summer, started dropping hints that the team is considering letting Odom walk. Before you begin your "the Clippers are cheap" diatribe, hear him out. "Why use up all of our cap room on Lamar when we could do better next summer?" the Clips' front office source told Insider. "There are a lot of attractive free agents out there next summer and I think we're beginning to prove to folks that we'll spend whatever it takes for the right guys. Elton and Corey were the right guys." Lamar Odom has been open about his desire to leave Los Angeles. Maybe. Reputations aren't broken that easy and NBA free agents are likely to remain wary of the Clips. However, there are signs of life in L.A. In addition to Brand and Maggette, the Clips also made a substantial offer to free agent Gilbert Arenas this summer. If the Clips stand pat the rest of the season, they'll be looking at around $12-13 million in cap room next summer. The Jazz and Nuggets are the only other teams slated to have significant cap room at the moment. Adding someone else's free agent won't be the only thing on the Clips mind. The team will have to decide whether to re-sign restricted free agents Quentin Richardson and Keyon Dooling, but the possibility is there, if L.A. decides to pass on those two, to land a top tier-free agent. "We love Lamar, but it's going to be difficult to justify spending that kind of money on him," he said. "As talented as he is, his play and his attitude don't warrant that type of money. It's a pretty big leap to go from Mr. Sterling paying top dollar for a few free agents to Mr. Sterling overpaying for one. I'm not sure we're that far along." The Clippers are also upset over Odom's recent statements claiming he no longer wants anything to do with the Clips. For years, Odom was Sterling's and the Clips' biggest cheerleader, imploring the owner to re-sign his core players. But after a disastrous season and protracted negotiations this summer, Odom became the team's biggest critic and begged for the team not to match. So should Odom start looking for a house in Miami? Not so fast Heat fans. The Clippers source stressed that some in the organization still feel strongly that the team should re-sign Odom and see what happens this year. If things don't work out, the team could always make a trade with the Heat next summer given Pat Riley's passion for Odom. Don't expect anything to be definitively announced before the team's Aug. 26th deadline.Even if they do let Odom go, Clippers fans shouldn't get their hopes up too high. The Clips could just be talking about next year in an effort to justify letting Odom go. Talking and doing, as we've seen time and time again in L.A., are two very different things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted August 20, 2003 Add another arrest to the list...Kwame Brown. He was arrested on DUI charges, with a blood alcohol level of about twice the normal limit, and the cops found an emty container. I heard this on FSN. It probably was really Jordan and they are making him take the blame. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Polish_Rifle Report post Posted August 20, 2003 Is he even old enough to drink? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rendclaw 0 Report post Posted August 21, 2003 Uh...Orlando signed Tyrone Lue and Howard, if thats what you mean. Respectable line up frankly, Lue, Mcgrady, Howard, Gooden, maybe Steven Hunter in the middle, and Gordon coming off the bench. Oh i know all that... and Steven Hunter is way too inconsistent to start, it will be DeClerq again, with the Magic playing center-by-committee again this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rendclaw 0 Report post Posted August 21, 2003 If Odom truly wants to leave, they should just let him go. And Kwame is 21, believe it or not. Has he been in the League three years already??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Unwritten Religion Report post Posted August 21, 2003 If Odom truly wants to leave, they should just let him go. And Kwame is 21, believe it or not. Has he been in the League three years already??? Yeah, Just let Odom go. But I think they should sign and trade. Trade Odom for Eddie Jones since they want Odom that bad. And Who are Free Agents next year besides KG, AI, and Kwame? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted August 21, 2003 Kobe, assuming he doesn't go to jail. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted August 21, 2003 The Bulls *will* sign Gill and let Bagaric leave. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rendclaw 0 Report post Posted August 21, 2003 Kobe is not going to go to jail. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mindless_Aggression Report post Posted August 21, 2003 Haven't seen it reported, but Reggie Miller signed a multi year deal with the Pacers. Lets hope last years playoff meltdown wasn't a sign of things to come. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted August 21, 2003 Not only did he get his ankle fixed, he also got his TEETH fixed~! At least that's what I heard on the Best Damn Sports Show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted August 21, 2003 Kobe is not going to go to jail. Its kinda weird that this has become a bold statement now when months ago it was almost a sure thing. The Magic will Stard Howard at center and Gooden at PF. They DO play in the east you know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Polish_Rifle Report post Posted August 21, 2003 If he is proven to be guilty, then I hope Kobe goes to jail and gets anal raped the same way he raped that girl...allegedly. Anyway, as much as I think the loss of Odom would dampen the potential success of the Clips season, I am also leaning towards the Clips not matching. After thinking about it, I just don't know if a guy like him with the troubled rep and baggage that he brings is worth $65 million. But if the Clips choose not to match, they better lock up Q this summer before he becomes a RFA next year and other teams jack up his asking price. Maggette can play the 3 to replace Odom and Q can start at the 2. That would compensate for the loss of Odom in the starting line-up but the bench will need some help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted August 21, 2003 Talk about heads bumping at that 2-3 spot. And seeing as that is the hot spot out west now, neither of those 2 have the defensive discepline to hold the spot well. I mean in the top 9 teams in the league they will have to face: Finley and Dirk Hedo and Manu Kobe and...well fuck it..Kobe Marion and Hardaway/Johnson Sprewell and Wally Peja and Christie Allen and Lewis Wells and ANderson Mobley and Griffin Brand will slow down most of the PF, the Centers will pretty much suck as a given and the point guards will eat their asses alive. This is why I don't think the clips will get 30 wins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Polish_Rifle Report post Posted August 21, 2003 Good points, but I have learned from last season that what you see on paper does not always translate into wins and losses. It also has a lot to do with execution and chemistry. The Clips had it all on paper last season, with a legit 7’0 center, all-star PF, versatile and young SF and SG and a standout starting PG and the season still went to shits! Call me an optimist or a Clipper fan but I still have hope for the team before every season. On another note, the Bulls seem to be rebuilding nicely under Paxson who now has a good mix of vets and young players. I like the Kendall Gill pick-up. He still has a lot of game left and I was surprised that the Wolves chose to let him go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted August 21, 2003 Kobe is not going to go to jail. Its kinda weird that this has become a bold statement now when months ago it was almost a sure thing. The Magic will Stard Howard at center and Gooden at PF. They DO play in the east you know. Good point about the Magic, I agree that lineup will probably see the lion share of minutes even if it isn't the "starting lineup" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted August 21, 2003 Good points, but I have learned from last season that what you see on paper does not always translate into wins and losses. It also has a lot to do with execution and chemistry. The Clips had it all on paper last season, with a legit 7’0 center, all-star PF, versatile and young SF and SG and a standout starting PG and the season still went to shits! Call me an optimist or a Clipper fan but I still have hope for the team before every season. On another note, the Bulls seem to be rebuilding nicely under Paxson who now has a good mix of vets and young players. I like the Kendall Gill pick-up. He still has a lot of game left and I was surprised that the Wolves chose to let him go. I think they are in the Jim Jackson race. They will probably lose to the Nets though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Polish_Rifle Report post Posted August 21, 2003 Good points, but I have learned from last season that what you see on paper does not always translate into wins and losses. It also has a lot to do with execution and chemistry. The Clips had it all on paper last season, with a legit 7’0 center, all-star PF, versatile and young SF and SG and a standout starting PG and the season still went to shits! Call me an optimist or a Clipper fan but I still have hope for the team before every season. On another note, the Bulls seem to be rebuilding nicely under Paxson who now has a good mix of vets and young players. I like the Kendall Gill pick-up. He still has a lot of game left and I was surprised that the Wolves chose to let him go. I think they are in the Jim Jackson race. They will probably lose to the Nets though. Nah, Jimmy J has already played for the Nets. He’s working on playing for every single team in the league before he retires. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted August 21, 2003 Good points, but I have learned from last season that what you see on paper does not always translate into wins and losses. It also has a lot to do with execution and chemistry. The Clips had it all on paper last season, with a legit 7’0 center, all-star PF, versatile and young SF and SG and a standout starting PG and the season still went to shits! Call me an optimist or a Clipper fan but I still have hope for the team before every season. On another note, the Bulls seem to be rebuilding nicely under Paxson who now has a good mix of vets and young players. I like the Kendall Gill pick-up. He still has a lot of game left and I was surprised that the Wolves chose to let him go. I think they are in the Jim Jackson race. They will probably lose to the Nets though. Nah, Jimmy J has already played for the Nets. He’s working on playing for every single team in the league before he retires. What has he got...3 left. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Polish_Rifle Report post Posted August 21, 2003 he must've played for at least half of the teams in the league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kurt Angle Mark 0 Report post Posted August 21, 2003 Anyway, as much as I think the loss of Odom would dampen the potential success of the Clips season, I am also leaning towards the Clips not matching. After thinking about it, I just don't know if a guy like him with the troubled rep and baggage that he brings is worth $65 million. But if the Clips choose not to match, they better lock up Q this summer before he becomes a RFA next year and other teams jack up his asking price. Maggette can play the 3 to replace Odom and Q can start at the 2. That would compensate for the loss of Odom in the starting line-up but the bench will need some help. If that were to be the case then I think the Clippers should go after someone like Stephen Jackson or Jim Jackson, guys who can score in double figures every night. I can't imagine how tough this Odom thing must be for the Clippers. For someone who doesn't have to make the decision, I myself end up changing my mind every five minutes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted August 21, 2003 Warriors and Pistons close to making a Bob Sura for Clifford Robinson swap: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1600343 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted August 21, 2003 Warriors and Pistons close to making a Bob Sura for Clifford Robinson swap: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1600343 Thats a dumb trade on both sides. Just plain dumb. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
