Guest BrokenWings Report post Posted July 2, 2003 While there isn't much new here, I don't agree with Dave's ending point. If you're to give the belt to Goldberg, that's basically saying you don't have to put in the soul, be a hardass, etc and you'll still be rewarded. Just hand him his pink slip and let's move on. From 1wrestling - I continue to hear that Bill Goldberg is less than ecstatic with how he has been used by WWE since he has entered the company. As we have noted before, Goldberg was said to be frustrated upon his arrival into WWE when he was booked as just another wrestler instead of a special attraction. While the company has made more of an effort in recent weeks to push Big Bill as a "monster", sources close to the situation have told me that he still is not happy that Linda McMahon called him a "disappointment" in a conference call a few weeks ago and reportedly doesn't like that things got tense between he and management when he didn't get over huge immediately upon entering the company. As has been noted here before, since Goldberg is financially well off due to his days in WCW and has stated that he doesn't have a real love for the wrestling business (the way most wrestlers do), many in WWE have told me it will be interesting to see what happens with him over the next few months. A number of people that I speak with feel that if he is not booked to beat HHH at SummerSlam, it's possible that Goldberg could walk away from the business. He has always had strong ideas about how he should, and shouldn't, be used. From where I stand, the belt has been on HHH too long and it's gotten to the point where no one thinks that H will lose anymore, and that is not a good thing when you are trying to sell people an "anything can happen" product. Goldberg is at least fresh and has drawn good ratings. If H doesn't lose the belt to him, there is no one credible left for him to lose it to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted July 2, 2003 Put the belt on Goldy.... if they can convince me that he will make it good. and take on anyone for it? HHH needs the belt off him period, but Goldberg could potentially just as bad, and don't even have to bend over the bosses daughter. Goldberg could just bitch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BrokenWings Report post Posted July 2, 2003 Okay, so let's say Goldberg does win the title at SummerSlam. Who does he go on to feud with after that? Jericho? Kane? I just don't see any worthwhile feuds coming from Goldberg as champion. Not that I see any with Hunter, but I'd find it more fulfilling should someone else beat him for the title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Askewniverse Report post Posted July 2, 2003 I'd rather see HHH as champ then Goldberg. Besides, if Goldberg were to win the title, I don't think there's anybody on the Raw roster that he's willing to lose the title to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Your Olympic Hero Report post Posted July 2, 2003 My money says Taker eventually goes back to Raw to feud over the belt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rising up out of the back seat-nuh 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2003 Remember kids, theres still time to pick Goldberg in The WWE Contract Termination Game~! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewTS Report post Posted July 2, 2003 Fuck Goldberg is about the only person I really really want HHH to bury. Plus, as bad as HHH is, I think it would be a huge mistake to put the belt on FGB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoSelfWorth Report post Posted July 2, 2003 Just out of curiosity, what is the reason behind the irrational hatred of Goldberg around here ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted July 2, 2003 Injuring Bret Hart and not being in love with the business. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewTS Report post Posted July 2, 2003 Just out of curiosity, what is the reason behind the irrational hatred of Goldberg around here ? Nothing irrational about it. He sucks in the ring, can't cut a promo to save his life, only got over in the first place because he was given squash match after squash match. He also doesn't give a shit about the business and thinks IT owes HIM, hence his unreasonable demands for salary and creative control--in that sense he's a product of the Hogan/Nash run WCW locker room. He also was partly responsible for Bret Hart's forced retirement. Plus, Goldberg getting paid huge to suck ass week after week hurts morale even more. He's also fucked up booking constantly with his bitching, like the Insurrextion PPV needed to be booked and rebooked because of him. He buys into his hype so much that he can't stand being a heel or even being booed. He's a living example of why WCW is dead. Fuck Goldberg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoSelfWorth Report post Posted July 2, 2003 So if you were in charge of WWE when he came in, you'd have deliberately flushed away the big money a properly booked Goldberg could have made for the company, rather than in the accidental manner Vince did ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crimson Platypus 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2003 Just out of curiosity, what is the reason behind the irrational hatred of Goldberg around here ? Nothing irrational about it. He sucks in the ring, can't cut a promo to save his life, only got over in the first place because he was given squash match after squash match. He also doesn't give a shit about the business and thinks IT owes HIM, hence his unreasonable demands for salary and creative control--in that sense he's a product of the Hogan/Nash run WCW locker room. He also was partly responsible for Bret Hart's forced retirement. Plus, Goldberg getting paid huge to suck ass week after week hurts morale even more. He's also fucked up booking constantly with his bitching, like the Insurrextion PPV needed to be booked and rebooked because of him. He buys into his hype so much that he can't stand being a heel or even being booed. He's a living example of why WCW is dead. Fuck Goldberg. Preach on. But.. for me personally it's mostly the simple fact that he is terrible in the ring. I have never understood the appeal of a wrestler that comes in, spear - jackhammer - yell - 1, 2, 3. Just simply pointless and boring IMO. The whole not in love with the business thing I don't really care about. But it definately shows in his work ethic (none) and lack of desire to make everyone look better, which as we all know makes him look better too. Blah. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crimson Platypus 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2003 So if you were in charge of WWE when he came in, you'd have deliberately flushed away the big money a properly booked Goldberg could have made for the company, rather than in the accidental manner Vince did ? Nope, the only way I would have ever signed him was if he went to OVW and learn 5 moves other than Spear and Jackhammer. Hell I'd be happy it the five moves were bodyslam, suplex, clothesline, ddt, and spinebuster. Since he would never "lower" himself to learning how to do what he would be getting paid to do, he would never have agreed to that contract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted July 2, 2003 ever see any ***** Goldberg matches? yep......didn't think so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Razor Roman Report post Posted July 2, 2003 So if you were in charge of WWE when he came in, you'd have deliberately flushed away the big money a properly booked Goldberg could have made for the company, rather than in the accidental manner Vince did ? I think most people on this board just wouldn't have brought Goldberg in to start with. If I brought him in, I would have done it as a one-time-only deal and have him put over either Brock or Austin, just because the buyrate on an Austion-FGB match would be enormous. But imagine how big it would have been 3 or 4 years ago? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crimson Platypus 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2003 So if you were in charge of WWE when he came in, you'd have deliberately flushed away the big money a properly booked Goldberg could have made for the company, rather than in the accidental manner Vince did ? I think most people on this board just wouldn't have brought Goldberg in to start with. If I brought him in, I would have done it as a one-time-only deal and have him put over either Brock or Austin, just because the buyrate on an Austion-FGB match would be enormous. But imagine how big it would have been 3 or 4 years ago? Goldberg's not interested in WWE buyrates, only himself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ram Report post Posted July 2, 2003 So if you were in charge of WWE when he came in, you'd have deliberately flushed away the big money a properly booked Goldberg could have made for the company, rather than in the accidental manner Vince did ? Goldberg would only be a temporary solution though. He only wrestles one match and people would lose interest. You'd make much more money in the long term if you spent the time and interest you used in Goldberg in somebody more talented. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest the 1inch punch Report post Posted July 2, 2003 It should be noted, that his ONE decent WCW matches was a product of someone else doing the work, namely DDP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2003 Basically the guy is a mark for his own character and needs to fuckin grow up. If he beats HHH for the title whats to say that he won't try to veto and bitch about anybody being put over him and will just walk away as the world champion, which will in the porocess make the whole company look bad. If he DOES win the title i have a feeling it'll be Goldberg vs. Brock Lesnar in an Interpromotional match for both titles Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BoboBrazil Report post Posted July 2, 2003 If Goldberg wins the world title HHH will win it back the next month. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 2, 2003 So if you were in charge of WWE when he came in, you'd have deliberately flushed away the big money a properly booked Goldberg could have made for the company, rather than in the accidental manner Vince did ? I keep forgetting how shitty being put completely over the top guy in the company makes him look. Silly me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jobber of the Week Report post Posted July 2, 2003 So if you were in charge of WWE when he came in, you'd have deliberately flushed away the big money a properly booked Goldberg could have made for the company, rather than in the accidental manner Vince did ? No. I'd understand that there's only two moneymaking Goldberg matches: Goldberg vs Austin Goldberg vs Lesnar The end. I'd book towards those, cash in, then the guy can go live with his fast cars and his charity donations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jobber of the Week Report post Posted July 2, 2003 P.S.: I would sooner put the title on Nash than I would Fuck Goldberg. At least Nash looks very vulnerable these days and could drop it to someone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoSelfWorth Report post Posted July 2, 2003 A PROPERLY booked Goldberg could have had big money matches with Austin, Rock, Cripps, Angle, Lesnar and Undi. That right there is six lots of 500,000+ buy rates, and who knows how many millions in revenue. Would you really flush that all away out of spite ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 2, 2003 A PROPERLY booked Goldberg could have had big money matches with Austin, Rock, Cripps, Angle, Lesnar and Undi. That right there is six lots of 500,000+ buy rates, and who knows how many millions in revenue. Would you really flush that all away out of spite ? Because he failed, and failed miserably with his pefectly fine feud with Rock. And you have decided that these numbers would be huge from... what? His numbers from 1998? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BrokenWings Report post Posted July 2, 2003 If Goldberg wins the world title HHH will win it back the next month. Unfortunatly, we'd have to wait two months now - unless he were to win it on a Raw... they're becoming more WCW-esque by the minute. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted July 2, 2003 A PROPERLY booked Goldberg could have had big money matches with Austin, Rock, Cripps, Angle, Lesnar and Undi. That right there is six lots of 500,000+ buy rates, and who knows how many millions in revenue. Would you really flush that all away out of spite ? He had a feud with The Rock and it BOMBED. Because- BILL GOLDBERG IS NOT A DRAW. I wouldn't have brought him in the first place. He' a no talent, hypocritical, washed up and arrogant has been. He doesn't even work house shows. Can all the pro-Goldberg fans just admit we were right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoSelfWorth Report post Posted July 2, 2003 It didn't help that his 'feud' with The Rock was booked in a hideously bad manner. In addition, he was not presented as the Goldberg that would have drawn. He was turned into just another big guy. 1998 or 2003, it doesn't matter, the FACT is that the Goldberg of old, the monster, would have drawn huge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted July 2, 2003 You mean like in 2000? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 2, 2003 So, because THE BIGGEST STAR IN THE COMPANY was not left in bloody, twitching heap eight times show, FGB was booked poorly. the FACT is that the Goldberg of old, the monster, would have drawn huge. Give proof and cite evidence that proves this so-called "fact" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
