"Potential"

[Guest jester]

"Potential" is a justification of pushing guys who aren't very good under the pretense they might not suck later. So they can just push them on look (a tall muscular guy with short tights, spikey hair, tattoos--oh boy!) and think we'll respond to them.

I would add this:

 

"Potential" is also the word used to describe guys THEY have chosen, and not the fans. Orton is getting his push because he has "potential." Not because fans in arenas across North America are saying "Give us more of this Orton guy!"

 

I waiting for JR to mention negative "potential." As in "RVD has potential but he hasn't quite got there yet (and we'll make sure he never does)"

[Guest wildpegasus]

My 2 cents:

 

Everbody theoretically has potential. Sometimes a wrestler can surprise you but I think you can tell when a wrestler has potential. Take Kurt Angle for example. Here's a guy who had potential and still has potential to get better. I remember watching him week from week and just noticed him getting better and better. You could tell he had "it". He wasn't afraid to try new moves, he had the work ethic, wasn't afraid to bump, was getting smarter all the time and had a moveset that was pleasing to the eye. The WWE style especially right now is restrictive but you can tell who has more potential than the others. Shelton Benjamin has it. He's got the moveset, the work ethic and is IMO getting better. You can tell he has the heart in the wrestling. Charlie Haas has it as well although in lesser quantities. Back in the day when Michaels broke up with Janetty and was not the singles preformer yet that he'd turn out to be you knew Michaels had potential. There's just that special something that certain wrestlers have I'd put Jamie Knoble in the potential category as well. He's already great and if he was let loose to really shine in the WWE he'd really be turning some heads. You can tell Trish Stratus has potential too.

 

If anyone followed AJW look at someone like Debbie Malenko. Now there's potential. She was constantly getting better and if she hadn't got that severe injury who knows how far she would've gone.

 

Interesting Note about potential-I believe that at the end of 85 or 86 Meltzer had already predicted Benoit as a superworker and something similar for Owen. Liger was called a Japanese "Dynamite Kid" when he wrestled as Yamada.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I think AS is using it in the context of people on the board saying it.

[SpikeFayeJettEdBebop 0]

You know, Potential has been used so much and in my oppinion doesn;tmean much anymore. And, you really shouldnt say that they will be there for a LONG time because they are young. WWE fires people all the time, people quit. And wrestleing as a lifestyle is DANGEROUS. Escpecially dealing with Vince. I mean theres always the substance abuses, but I mean look at Brock. He fucked up REAL bad with the Shooting Star Press. Hes just FUCKING LUCKY that he isnt paralyzed or SERIOUSLY injured from that messed up move.Things like this can, and do happen all the time. It just seems alot of guys get lucky. Just wait and see, wait and see.

[Guest jester]

I think Anglesault pointed this out once, but everyone has infinite potential. For example, Spike Dudley has the potential to be the greatest wrestler ever, outdrawing Hogan and Austin combined and having the skills of Ric Flair in his prime. He just has to find it and bring it out.

 

And how likely is that happen? Not very.

 

The approach they seem to take is "Choose first, build up later." Not "Check for signs guy might succeed, then push."

[Guest TonyJaymzV1]

Potential, to me, is that a wrestler who has just started out, or is starting anew angle that refreshes him/herself. Potential is a promisng look into the future of what could be.

 

Matt Hardy- NOBODY said this guy was the future. He was the Jannety to Jeff's HBK. Sure, he had the 2nd longest reign of any Euro champ, but Jeff got the title shots, the fueds, etc. while Matt was basically kept on Heat(and had some badass matches with Steven Richards) Now that he is "Mattitude" he is becoming the future of the WWE, and an upper midcard singles star.

 

Sean OHaire- The best thing about WCW near the end was the Natural Born Thrillers. O'Haire was the man, and while he was still green,he was instantly over with his moveset. He was a bigger, meaner RVD. He got over witrhout ever talking. Then he went to WWE, sent to OVW, and came back on Heat. He had some damn good Heat matches, he still wrestled with the flashy moveset, though toned down with OVW hossness. He got over on Heat without uttering a word again, and as a babyface. His Cruel Intentions were a pre FU. Then, he is taken off TV for months, while cool, but confusing, videos play. And he comes back...as a fully evolved Hoss. I still have hope, but to me, the potential is gone.

 

SHelton Benjamin- Just like SOH, became a over babyface on Heat. Probably the best guy to be used good by the the WWE. STill has potential IMO.

 

Mark Jindrak- The Matt Hardy to SOH's Jeff: Less flashy, more sound. In WCW he geled well with SOH, and was a huge babyface, but lack of emotion held him back. I HOPE AND PRAY TO GOD he hasn't been totally hossified, and his match with Jericho gave me hope.

 

Orlando Jordan- Good all round wrestler, has a charisma about him that makes you want to cheer him. DOn't know if the OVW has screwed with him, but his mtaches against The Bruiser in MCW were nice.

[LooseCannon25 0]

Has Matt Hardy gone the farthest he can go yet? no........he's gonna be BIG in the future, and not as a tag team wrestler.....in my book its POTENTIAL

 

RRR, You might wanna watch a match with Doug Basham in OVW and you'll understand why i say this guy has tremendous potential.

 

John Cena can work a stick and has great charisma, he's still VERY young and has time to improve

 

Charlie Haas is just as good as Shelton Benjamin who you LOVE

 

Sean O Haire has already proven that if given more freedom, he can be very exciting to watch and has charisma.

[LooseCannon25 0]

I think Anglesault pointed this out once, but everyone has infinite potential. For example, Spike Dudley has the potential to be the greatest wrestler ever, outdrawing Hogan and Austin combined and having the skills of Ric Flair in his prime. He just has to find it and bring it out.

 

And how likely is that happen? Not very.

 

The approach they seem to take is "Choose first, build up later." Not "Check for signs guy might succeed, then push."

That might be the biggest bullshit i've heard in a long time. Thats' like saying that all these guys have the same ability, agility, charisma.............its stupid. Spike Dudley sucks.....he cant talk, has no charisma. To make that analogy is just dumb. Some guys have the tools and some dont. We may disagree on who we think has those tools, but dont sit there and say they all have the same potential and they just have to have the drive to let it out.

 

That's like saying the Memphis Grizzlies have as much potential of winning the NBA Title then the San Antonio Spurs.

[Guest CanadianChick]

Sean OHaire- The best thing about WCW near the end was the Natural Born Thrillers. O'Haire was the man, and while he was still green,he was instantly over with his moveset. He was a bigger, meaner RVD. He got over witrhout ever talking. Then he went to WWE, sent to OVW, and came back on Heat. He had some damn good Heat matches, he still wrestled with the flashy moveset, though toned down with OVW hossness. He got over on Heat without uttering a word again, and as a babyface. His Cruel Intentions were a pre FU. Then, he is taken off TV for months, while cool, but confusing, videos play. And he comes back...as a fully evolved Hoss. I still have hope, but to me, the potential is gone.

Care the elaborate? Because I have no idea what you are talking about?

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

RRR, You might wanna watch a match with Doug Basham in OVW and you'll understand why i say this guy has tremendous potential.

 

I've seen him against *Benoit* and *Eddie* and he was BLAND AS FUCK. His singles matches on Velocity weren't very good either. I heard good things about him and he didn't and doesn't deliver. That seems to be said a lot around here. Maybe it's an echo. Someone tell Dames to take a look into that, it could be a problem with the vents

 

Has Matt Hardy gone the farthest he can go yet? no........he's gonna be BIG in the future, and not as a tag team wrestler.....in my book its POTENTIAL

 

I'd say that the Tag Titles and TLC were his peak... yep...

 

John Cena can work a stick and has great charisma, he's still VERY young and has time to improve

 

*reads* *re-reads* Yeah, no where in there did you mention "Ring Ability" as one of his assets. *Checks Schedule* Ok, so when is a good time for him to improve??? November of 04 sounds good to you?

 

Charlie Haas is just as good as Shelton Benjamin who you LOVE

 

No he isn't. His matches with Benoit weren't NEARLY as good as Benjamins. Plus he's pretty goofy in the ring. And I don't LOVE Benjamin, I dig Benjamin. My LOVE belongs to guys like Eddie, Benoit, and Albert... I mean, uh, er... Jumbo Tsuruta.... Yeah, Jumbo

 

Sean O Haire has already proven that if given more freedom, he can be very exciting to watch and has charisma.

 

Actually he's proven he can be sloppy and clueless in the ring, but can do a nice senton...

 

Matt Hardy- NOBODY said this guy was the future. He was the Jannety to Jeff's HBK. Sure, he had the 2nd longest reign of any Euro champ, but Jeff got the title shots, the fueds, etc. while Matt was basically kept on Heat(and had some badass matches with Steven Richards) Now that he is "Mattitude" he is becoming the future of the WWE, and an upper midcard singles star.

 

Disagreed, there was always a section of people calling Matt the better of the two for as long as I can remember (I know, I was one of them). While people were saying "Jeff is the next HBK" there were people saying "No, Matt is the standout here".

 

Sean OHaire- The best thing about WCW near the end was the Natural Born Thrillers.

 

Cruiserweights were.

 

Mark Jindrak- The Matt Hardy to SOH's Jeff: Less flashy, more sound. In WCW he geled well with SOH, and was a huge babyface, but lack of emotion held him back. I HOPE AND PRAY TO GOD he hasn't been totally hossified, and his match with Jericho gave me hope.

 

THE FUCK? His match with Jericho gave me nothing but the desire to stab myself in the eye with a spork. Jindrak is so Vanilla he makes Cena look like bubblegum swirl.

[Guest jester]

That might be the biggest bullshit i've heard in a long time. Thats' like saying that all these guys have the same ability, agility, charisma.............its stupid. Spike Dudley sucks.....he cant talk, has no charisma. To make that analogy is just dumb. Some guys have the tools and some dont. We may disagree on who we think has those tools, but dont sit there and say they all have the same potential and they just have to have the drive to let it out.

 

That's like saying the Memphis Grizzlies have as much potential of winning the NBA Title then the San Antonio Spurs.

Of course it's bullshit. If Spike Dudley had anything approaching that kind of ability or charisma, we would have seen signs of it by now. Sometimes we do get surprised (most of the people on this board had given up on Matt Hardy until the Mattitude gimmick), but something of that magnitude couldn't possibly be hidden this long.

 

What I am saying is that the problem with potential is that it hasn't happened yet, so you can convince yourself anything CAN happen. Is utterly, totally, impossible for the Memphis Grizzlies to win the NBA title? No, it's just extraordinarily unlikely. You will realize this as soon as you start looking at facts--comparing players, team records, etc. And while you won't be guaranteed of the results, you're still pretty safe predicting that they won't win the championship.

 

The problem is, WWE doesn't look at things this analytically. They see only the infinite potential of whoever they're in love with. So they accept all the facts that support their position, and ignore the ones that don't.

 

Which is why as we speak, somebody is telling Vince about the tremendous reaction Orton got when he came out...forgetting that Ric Flair was walking right next to him.

[Guest Korgath]

The problem is, WWE doesn't look at things this analytically.  They see only the infinite potential of whoever they're in love with.  So they accept all the facts that support their position, and ignore the ones that don't.

I'll probably get a lot of heat from this, but I'd like to think we're guilty of it too.

 

We write off Test because he's been in the company 6 years. But then again, we probably wrote off Matt for the same reasons until he moved to SD!.

 

Doug Basham's been in the business for almost a decade. He's been touted as "OVW's best technical wrestler" and has had a pretty decent mini-feud with Benoit regarding that title. He had some of the greatest heel heat in the fed when he re-debuted as "Machine" and went on to demolish the top faces of the company. I marked out when he and the Damaja were introduced on Smackdown.

 

Then I realised how badly they'd been booked. No gimmick, no motivation, and to make matters worse, debuting them as wannabe-heels in a heel-filled tag environment.

 

Doug Basham looked as bad as the next guy.

 

In the end, a worker is only as good as his last performance. It's a truth which I'm finding is harder and harder to accept, but gets more and more appropriate each time I watch a WWE show.

 

I'd like to attribute Paul Heyman with the brilliant introduction of The Team formerly known as Team Angle, but in the end, it's the morons who are booking Smackdown! now who make Paul Heyman out to be a booking genius.

[Guest Goodear]

Potential is a rather nebulous concept considering the various shades and flavors that it has. The problem is that people don't commonly define just how far they actually think a wrestler can go. For instance, I think that Haas and Benjamin both have the potential to become World Title contenders a few years down the line considering their already stunning progress. I think Doug Basham has the potential to become a servicable midcarder once he develops some of offense and gets into the singles ranks. From what I see, he does a lot of the little things very well but hasn't shown enough of the big stuff to be a major player. Now, I've said both guys have potential... but I obviously expect more out of some of them then others. But to just throw out 'he has potential' just doesn't fly since it tells the reader nothing.

[Guest TonyJaymzV1]

Sean OHaire- The best thing about WCW near the end was the Natural Born Thrillers. O'Haire was the man, and while he was still green,he was instantly over with his moveset. He was a bigger, meaner RVD. He got over witrhout ever talking. Then he went to WWE, sent to OVW, and came back on Heat. He had some damn good Heat matches, he still wrestled with the flashy moveset, though toned down with OVW hossness. He got over on Heat without uttering a word again, and as a babyface. His Cruel Intentions were a pre FU. Then, he is taken off TV for months, while cool, but confusing, videos play. And he comes back...as a fully evolved Hoss. I still have hope, but to me, the potential is gone.

 

 

 

Care the elaborate? Because I have no idea what you are talking about?

 

 

In WCW his offense consited primarly of Karate kicks, chops, etc. They just looked mean and stiff as hell, like he was trying to take the guys head off. Basically, he wrestled with the offense of RVD(i.e. kicks, a senton/dive here and there) but with the demeaner of a badass who wants to tear you limb from limb. Of course, now that he is on Smackdown, I've yet to see any of the goodness i saw in wcw.

 

Has Matt Hardy gone the farthest he can go yet? no........he's gonna be BIG in the future, and not as a tag team wrestler.....in my book its POTENTIAL

 

I'd say that the Tag Titles and TLC were his peak... yep...

 

Are you kidding me? His feud with Rey has made the cruiserweight belt mean something, he has been in the Smackdown upper card since he debuted on Smackdown, and hehas a 50/50 chance of getting the US title. He is a rising star.

 

 

 

John Cena can work a stick and has great charisma, he's still VERY young and has time to improve

 

*reads* *re-reads* Yeah, no where in there did you mention "Ring Ability" as one of his assets. *Checks Schedule* Ok, so when is a good time for him to improve??? November of 04 sounds good to you?

 

Remember: A bad worker can get get over with charisma and ring presence. ANd he isnt even a bad worker, he's merely average, but can hold his own in the ring. He isn't a Nathan Jones or whatever.

 

Matt Hardy- NOBODY said this guy was the future. He was the Jannety to Jeff's HBK. Sure, he had the 2nd longest reign of any Euro champ, but Jeff got the title shots, the fueds, etc. while Matt was basically kept on Heat(and had some badass matches with Steven Richards) Now that he is "Mattitude" he is becoming the future of the WWE, and an upper midcard singles star.

 

Disagreed, there was always a section of people calling Matt the better of the two for as long as I can remember (I know, I was one of them). While people were saying "Jeff is the next HBK" there were people saying "No, Matt is the standout here".

 

True, but in the WWE's eyes, and most fans, and even some guys on the board, they said Matt was too bland, etc.

 

 

Sean OHaire- The best thing about WCW near the end was the Natural Born Thrillers.

 

Cruiserweights were.

 

Yeah, like Oklahoma, Mike Sanders, Daffney....all great cruiserweight champions right there. Chavo and Helms tried to redeem the title's worth, but it was too late. Hell, Elix SKipper was a terrible CW champion and yet he's a great wrestler. The NBT were the best thing near the end because they had talent, were different, and were getting pushed. The CW were told to just go out there and kill themselves.

 

 

Mark Jindrak- The Matt Hardy to SOH's Jeff: Less flashy, more sound. In WCW he geled well with SOH, and was a huge babyface, but lack of emotion held him back. I HOPE AND PRAY TO GOD he hasn't been totally hossified, and his match with Jericho gave me hope.

 

THE FUCK? His match with Jericho gave me nothing but the desire to stab myself in the eye with a spork. Jindrak is so Vanilla he makes Cena look like bubblegum swirl.

 

 

Jeez, one match man, one. ANd it was even all that bad. It was perfectly acceptable wrestling, and Jinrak was keeping up with Jericho and helping put on a decent match, for what, 3 minutes?

 

 

Doug Basham's been in the business for almost a decade. He's been touted as "OVW's best technical wrestler" and has had a pretty decent mini-feud with Benoit regarding that title. He had some of the greatest heel heat in the fed when he re-debuted as "Machine" and went on to demolish the top faces of the company. I marked out when he and the Damaja were introduced on Smackdown.

 

 

Naw, that title goes to Dinsmore, but yeah, Basham is pretty damn good, but his team with Damamaja..er...Danny just feels so...bland. He needs to lose the two shmucks and become The Machine again IMO.

 

 

We write off Test because he's been in the company 6 years. But then again, we probably wrote off Matt for the same reasons until he moved to SD!.

 

A feud with Triple H would've generated money, and would have springboarded him to uppermidcard/main event. But, after being beaten and humiliated by HHH, the fans gave him the stigma of LOSER> Test is a LOSER, everyone sees it, the WWE fucked him over.

 

 

Charlie Haas is just as good as Shelton Benjamin who you LOVE

 

I swear it reverse Racism...they don't want to cheer him because he is white and thus, might get a singles push before Benjamin. I love them both, but i see Benjamin being a better face and Haas seems like a better heel...he just comes of cockier.

[LooseCannon25 0]

You guys see Basham, Jindrak, Cena, O'haire and you don't like what you currently see, which is fine. It takes time to develop and make everything gel together. O'haire had to learn a completely new style, and some of you act like Cena is garbage in the ring. H'es not that great, but i would see he's at least average where he can hold his own.

 

Do you think Kurt Angle and Chris Benoit were great as soon as they started wrestling? It takes EVERYONE time. Kurt Angle was sloppy as fuck when he debuted but you saw that there was something there and he would be special. I never saw Benoit's first matches but he had time to season himself in Japan for a pretty long time. Not liking these guys is one thing, but at least give them time to improve.

[Guest wildpegasus]

Quote:"Do you think Kurt Angle and Benoit were great as soon as they started wrestling?"

 

Benoit was kicking but in the ring very early in his career against the likes of Black Mephisto (Jan 86) and Hiro Hase. He was touted as a future super worker already at the end of 85 I believe. His first match on record was from late 85. Obviously Benoit wasn't as good then as he'd become later on but from September? 87 on when he first started to wrestle constantly in Stampede you could tell he was great.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

The problem is not with potential, the problem is that people (mainly WWE) see potential in wrestlers that don't have any (Test, Jones, etc.).

[Guest The Hamburglar]

Anglesault, I seem to remember you spending all of last year resolutely ignoring the huge potential in Brock Lesnar as a wrestler, so given your changed stance on him one might expect you to have a better grasp of the idea 'potential.' Admittedly, the guys you've listed aren't quite in the same league, but the trick is to take what they're good at and see if they can be developed. O'Haire and Jindrak there is no hope for - I refuse to believe that any amount of phantom 'WWE Style' could make a wrestler as shitty as O'Haire has become. He's not improved because he can't be bothered. Orton? I like his bumping, but he's been handled like shit. He has the potential to be an entertaining wrestler in the high energy bumpathon Rock mould, but it'll take a bit of work. Still, Rock remains a shining example of how real effort and development can pay off big time. Cena's rapping heel character may be entertaining but it sadly doesn't play to his ring strengths, as he takes a great beating and makes good comebacks, which are obviously face attributes. Again, another Rock-type wrestler perhaps. Test did have potential a few years back but its too late now. Albert could be good if they ever actually create a decent character and storyline for him, as he mixes up his moveset to a nice degree and sells better than he's given credit for. Benjamin really should be awesome. In fact, I believe that both Lesnar and Benjamin possess the tools and the time to eventually surpass Angle as actual wrestlers.

[LooseCannon25 0]

Oh no Hamburglar!!!!! You just commited suicide with that last statement you made. AS refuses to acknowledge that anyone can ever be as good as Kurt Angle.

 

I agree with your points. People were shitting on Lesnar and look now. People were shitting on the Rock and look now. It takes time to realize that potential.

[Guest EternallyLazy]

I agree with your points. People were shitting on Lesnar and look now. People were shitting on the Rock and look now. It takes time to realize that potential.

exactly

 

Come to think of it... The Rock was NEVER that great in the ring. Have you ever tried watching a Rock "classic" with the sound off so that you couldn't hear the excitement of the crowd? It just isn't the same... Let's face it, Rock has always been pretty bland in the ring... but his CHARISMA made him a star

 

Thats why I don't buy the "John Cena doesnt have potential because he only has charisma and not enough in ring ability" bullshit.

 

my prediction: In three years, John Cena is going to be a main eventer, and with that he will bring in the fans... oh yes, he will

[Guest Anglesault]

We write off Test because he's been in the company 6 years. But then again, we probably wrote off Matt for the same reasons until he moved to SD!.

Test has been in the company and sucked and sucked and sucked over and over again without EVER getting better.

 

Matt was always the better half of a solid tag team. He was NEVER as bad as Test.

 

Oh no Hamburglar!!!!! You just commited suicide with that last statement you made. AS refuses to acknowledge that anyone can ever be as good as Kurt Angle.

 

Er...sure...

[Guest nl5xsk1]

I actually think Lesnar is a good example of someone who divided this board last year ... there are some who said "give him time, he has potential" and some who felt that he wasn't over and thus wasn't worth getting any noticable TV time. A year goes by and he's viewed as being a superstar.

 

I'm not saying everyone will do what Lesnar did (few, if any, have his experience in amateur wrestling, which helped his transition immensely) ... but he is reason enough to give someone who's a little green now a minor role in a 2 hour tv show. Give someone time and hope for the best, you might get another Rock or Lesnar. Worst case scenario is you wasted a few minutes of TV time during one of the worst eras in the past 10-15 years.

[Guest Anglesault]

I'm not saying everyone will do what Lesnar did (few, if any, have his experience in amateur wrestling, which helped his transition immensely) ... but he is reason enough to give someone who's a little green now a minor role in a 2 hour tv show. Give someone time and hope for the best, you might get another Rock or Lesnar. Worst case scenario is you wasted a few minutes of TV time during one of the worst eras in the past 10-15 years.

It also takes valuable time away from guys who are good and/or over in the present.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Are you kidding me? His feud with Rey has made the cruiserweight belt mean something, he has been in the Smackdown upper card since he debuted on Smackdown, and hehas a 50/50 chance of getting the US title. He is a rising star.

 

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?! How in god's name did that give the cruiserweight title value?? It's the same off as it was last year - non-existant. Rey's first match after was against KANYON. NOTHING has changed. Hell, Matt Hardy is done with the cruiserweight division as if it never existed, it's shit like that that KILLS a division. He isn't in the Smackdown uppercard, he was just the bitch boy from Brock and Taker and has since dropped to pure mid-card. When he was taggin up with Jeff they were amongst the highlight of the federation, they were in marquee matches on big cards suchs as Summerslam 2000 and WM 17 - they feuded with Austin and HHH. He peaked.

 

Remember: A bad worker can get get over with charisma and ring presence. ANd he isnt even a bad worker, he's merely average, but can hold his own in the ring. He isn't a Nathan Jones or whatever.

 

Disagreed. This is a different time, you have to have something special about you in-ring in order to go over the top. You think Lesnar just got over on his charisma? No, he got over by throwing people around. That's the difference between him and Batista, Batista had a better look but couldn't get it done in the ring. John Cena is the definition of Vanilla and that's not going to change any time soon.

 

 

True, but in the WWE's eyes, and most fans, and even some guys on the board, they said Matt was too bland, etc.

 

You said "NOBODY" saw him as the future.

 

Yeah, like Oklahoma, Mike Sanders, Daffney....all great cruiserweight champions right there. Chavo and Helms tried to redeem the title's worth, but it was too late. Hell, Elix SKipper was a terrible CW champion and yet he's a great wrestler. The NBT were the best thing near the end because they had talent, were different, and were getting pushed. The CW were told to just go out there and kill themselves.

 

I'm talking about 2001 (aka the end of WCW) Oak was far from the title. The cruiserweights were putting on the best matches of the night at this time, the cruiserweight tag titles and tournament were really fun to watch, they were giving time to indy talent, and Jason Jett and Shane Helms dwarfed any and all of the NBT in terms of excitement provided at shows.

 

Jeez, one match man, one. ANd it was even all that bad. It was perfectly acceptable wrestling, and Jinrak was keeping up with Jericho and helping put on a decent match, for what, 3 minutes?

 

It was terribly basic. The crowd shit on it. NOTHING in that match could give one hope for Jindrak. That was far from acceptable, especially with a talent like Jericho to go against.

 

I swear it reverse Racism...they don't want to cheer him because he is white and thus, might get a singles push before Benjamin. I love them both, but i see Benjamin being a better face and Haas seems like a better heel...he just comes of cockier.

 

It's not that at all. It's just that Benjamin is just better than Haas. Haas is like one step away from being Cena while Benjamin offers something a lil bit different.

 

my prediction: In three years, John Cena is going to be a main eventer, and with that he will bring in the fans... oh yes, he will

 

BWAHAHAHAHAH!!! Oh mercy. That was a good one.

[Guest Anglesault]

Mark Jindrak- The Matt Hardy to SOH's Jeff: Less flashy, more sound. In WCW he geled well with SOH, and was a huge babyface, but lack of emotion held him back. I HOPE AND PRAY TO GOD he hasn't been totally hossified, and his match with Jericho gave me hope.

 

THE FUCK? His match with Jericho gave me nothing but the desire to stab myself in the eye with a spork. Jindrak is so Vanilla he makes Cena look like bubblegum swirl.

 

 

Jeez, one match man, one. ANd it was even all that bad. It was perfectly acceptable wrestling, and Jinrak was keeping up with Jericho and helping put on a decent match, for what, 3 minutes?

 

That match bored me (And most of Montreal) to death.

 

Not a good sign.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

It bored the crowd? I couldn't tell, they seemed to be chanting something so my attention was taken away for a while.

[LooseCannon25 0]

RRR, I love how you talk about batista in the past tense. I didn't know that he retired. Most people here didnt like Brock in the beginning either and look now.

 

You also state that in "THESE DAYS" you have to have something special in ring to get over. Ok, if that's so then why don't you tell me what the Rock has that's so special in ring. While you're at it tell me what stone Cold ad when he was kicking and punching at the top of the card. I'll throw in Undertaker and HHH too. Those are the top 4 superstars of the WWE in the last 4 years.

 

The bottom line is this, you do NOT need anything special in ring to get over the top. You just need SOMETHING that's special. Not everyone is Benoit, Angle, Jericho, or Guerrero in the ring.

[Guest Anglesault]

RRR, I love how you talk about batista in the past tense. I didn't know that he retired. Most people here didnt like Brock in the beginning either and look now.

So, because Brock got better, Batista would have?

 

That's like the "Both Rock and Randy Orton were/are steaming piles of shit when they debuted, and Rock got better, so Randy will get better and turn into The new Rock!" line that Orton fans are spouting.

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RRR,  I love how you talk about batista in the past tense.  I didn't know that he retired.  Most people here didnt like Brock in the beginning either and look now.

So, because Brock got better, Batista would have?

 

That's like the "Both Rock and Randy Orton were/are steaming piles of shit when they debuted, and Rock got better, so Randy will get better and turn into The new Rock!" line that Orton fans are spouting.

Nope, if you would stop being so thickheaded you would realize that i'm saying that while you guys like to write people like Batista, Sean O' Haire, John Cena off, It is indeed POSSIBLE for them to improve, and make an impact in the future. You act like you have proof as to why they won't get better with time, but you're dead wrong. If they end up ending up like Test in 5 years then so be it. It didnt work out for them, but don't sit there writing people off just because you don't like them at this time, who the hell are you to sit there judge who WILL and WILL NOT make it in the future. None of us know the answer to that, and these guys are still all in their 20's

 

 

Since you couldn't figure out all on your own what I was trying to say than hopefully that will clarify what i was meaning.

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Nope, if you would stop being so thickheaded you would realize that i'm saying that while you guys like to write people like Batista, Sean O' Haire, John Cena off, It is indeed POSSIBLE for them to improve, and make an impact in the future. You act like you have proof as to why they won't get better with time, but you're dead wrong

Well, when the hell do they intend to start?