The Hi-Lite Reel w/ HBK...

[Guest NoCalMike]

The highlight reel was the perfect example of how a SHIT ending can ruin a segment that was GOLD for the first ten minutes. When Jericho started his quasi-turn, you could tell the fans had no idea how to react, thus, the majority just stood there in silence. The crowd was dead for the rest of the night.

[Guest AndrewTS]

With Nash losing clean to Test last night, I wouldn't be surprised if HBK loses clean to Jericho at Staples.

Does it matter? It would come way past the point of anyone caring or it actually benefitting Jericho.

[Guest CanadianChick]

What are you talking about? If HBK loses to Jericho clean, that would be *huge* for him. But I got a feeling they are just going to prolonge this feud until Summerslam. So I expect a screwjob of some sort.

[Guest Shanghai Kid]

Faces losing clean to heels just doesn't usually happen. Even if you love the heel to a point where you feel everything has to be done for the betterment of him. Jericho is not the kind of heel to get strong wins against strong faces. He's not a dominant heel, he's a whiny, annoying heel that cheats so much to win that his finisher has lost all credibility. HBK will not tap to the Walls of Jericho, because Jericho can't even make Jeff Hardy tap to it. I bet Jericho will win, yes, but he'll cheat, it's in the nature of his character.

[Guest CanadianChick]

Usually, the reason a strong face doesn't lose clean is to keep their heat. The thing is, HBK doesn't need to keep his heat. He wrestles a very limited amount a year. And by clean, I don't mean absolutly clean. But HBK tapping to the Walls would be nice.

[Guest JMA]

I'm tred of heels cheating all the time. Jericho won clean many times in WCW. He only cheated when he HAD to.

[Guest jester]

I think one of two things is going on here:

 

Either WWE has reached a new level of WCWness: making a point of pissing of the fans.

 

OR

 

There are so determined to control their product they want to try make the audience do exactly what they want, no matter how counter-intuitive. That's why they are trying to get Montrealers to boo a Canadian wrestler hacking on HBK. They also wanted a Goldberg vs. La Resistance match, until Goldberg was out with the infection.

 

Yes, presumably they wanted French Canadians to cheer Goldberg against FRENCH wrestlers.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

What are you talking about? If HBK loses to Jericho clean, that would be *huge* for him. But I got a feeling they are just going to prolonge this feud until Summerslam. So I expect a screwjob of some sort.

Didn't you hear? Jericho's career is dead. It officially died at WrestleMania when the WWE had their last chance at shocking him back to life. But they didn't and now Jericho has zero value as a wrestler. If in fact he does win on Raw in two weeks nobody will give a shit.

[Guest CanadianChick]

What are you talking about? If HBK loses to Jericho clean, that would be *huge* for him. But I got a feeling they are just going to prolonge this feud until Summerslam. So I expect a screwjob of some sort.

Didn't you hear? Jericho's career is dead. It officially died at WrestleMania when the WWE had their last chance at shocking him back to life. But they didn't and now Jericho has zero value as a wrestler. If in fact he does win on Raw in two weeks nobody will give a shit.

Give me a break. His career isn't dead. Stop overreacting. If he got a push, he would be back in the main event just like that. He still gets a reaction, therefore people still care about him. I think you confuse IWC with all the fans.

[Guest Ram]

Jericho's been getting a lot of face heat lately.

 

Last night would've been perfect for a turn.

 

Promoting a match 2 weeks ahead is going to do jackshit for the ratings, so just pull the trigger on it already.

 

I was hoping the match finish would be heel HBK putting the Sharpshooter on Jericho, and then Jericho reversing it into his own Sharpshooter for the submission. Like it should have been.

 

Alas, I am just another sucker fooled by the WWE.

[chaosrage 0]

Faces losing clean to heels just doesn't usually happen. Even if you love the heel to a point where you feel everything has to be done for the betterment of him. Jericho is not the kind of heel to get strong wins against strong faces. He's not a dominant heel, he's a whiny, annoying heel that cheats so much to win that his finisher has lost all credibility. HBK will not tap to the Walls of Jericho, because Jericho can't even make Jeff Hardy tap to it. I bet Jericho will win, yes, but he'll cheat, it's in the nature of his character.

I'm glad he didn't cheat at WM. He's not a dominant heel, but he's still serious about himself. He wanted to prove and still should want to prove that he's better than Michaels, so he didn't cheat or try to get Christian to help.

 

I still think even though he lost, it helped him out a lot. It's just not following through with it that hurt him. It's not as if Shawn hit his finisher and then waited 20 seconds to pin him. Chris dominated the whole match and HBK's win came out of nowhere.

[Guest The Old Me]

HBK should have jobbed back at Mania. I don't see what kind of "rub" Y2J gets from beating that washed up part timer.

[chaosrage 0]

He got the same kind of rub Austin got from being beat totally clean by Bret at Survivor Series. Just being in there with Shawn and treating him like he's about on the same level as him is a push.

 

Winning and losing isn't that big of a deal. I mean, last night he won his match against Jindrak and he looked like crap. About the only move he got in was the low blow. Submitting doesn't help out Jericho because he got his ass kicked the entire time. However when he was with HBK, he came out looking the best he looked in about a year, even though he didn't win.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

It sounds like this message board is in Canada. Let's be objective, most of you are either pro-Bret or anti-Shawn. The truth is, I think Shawn and Jericho were pretty much given the free rights to go out there and shoot the interview up until the end. What HBK was saying was his real thoughts, not some script. He was saying that "people need to get over it", and he's right. People need to stop living in the past. Everyone here was like "FUCK YOU SHAWN"! when he said that. But it's a good point, get on in your life. They definetly don't care as much in the US as they do in Canada. If it's that big of a deal, than you should be putting shame on Bret Hart if he ever appears on WWE TV after the monstrocity that was upheld on him.

 

The ending was dumb, but what did you expect? The reaction in Canada would have NO effect on the crowd reaction in the US. Why turn HBK heel when he's just going to be cheered back in the US? The purpose, indeed, was that the WWE wants everybody to move on, they wanted to address it because thier sick of going to Montreal and having their face, HBK, getting boo'ed. They think this might of buried the hatchet, but it won't, because next time it will be just another crowd who can't let it go.

 

 

Fucked up ending, yes, but let's not miss the bigger picture.

 

WTF are you talking about? 1)The *WWE* does not want to get over it, EVERYTIME they are in Montreal they, for some perverted reason, have to do something related to the screw-job (NWO, anyone?). Hell, they even did it in Calgary infront of Stu Hart in 2001 in the Austin/Benoit match. This is by no means the WWE trying to put some closure to the situation - it's them exploiting it and milking it for all its worth cause they know they can get heat on it and hell, they built their fucking promotion on it.

 

2)What do I expect? I don't expect them to do it AT ALL.

[The Robfather 0]

I disliked the segment. The hard 180-degree turn Jericho took was just too much. It was forced. He was over huge with the crowd as a face and they were way into hating HBK. Does it really matter if the Canadian fans give wrestlers a different reaction? By the end of the segment, the crowd was dead because they did not want to boo Jericho and they certainly didn’t want to cheer HBK. Just let them be.

 

This was the WWE trying to dictate the fans’ reactions. I don’t see it working at all.

[Guest Dangerous A]

Everyone is making a bigger deal about the highlight reel segment than it is.

 

First off, yeah the crowd booed HBK and cheered Jericho. BECAUSE THEY WERE IN CANADA!!!!!!!

 

If they had done this in almost any city in the US, HBK would have had face heat. Jericho would get his pop for his entrance and then jeered once he opened his mouth.

 

The reaction from one city is not enough to justify a double turn, plain and simple. What was up with all the Bret clamoring for? He ain't coming back and if he did, he wouldn't be able to do nothing physical. He IS STILL RECOVERING FROM A FUCKING STROKE!!!!!!!!

Give the man a break. You're living a pipe dream if you think Bret is going to come out there and hand HBK his ass for Montreal. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! PUT THE CRACK PIPE DOWN!!

 

You wanna blame the people who made the lame segment, blame Vince and the writers for it since they are the ones who can't get over the screw job. I won't even blame HBK for this because things are tightly scripted and he was probrably made to say it. There have been complaints made by everyone, including Austin, Flair, Taker, Hogan, Piper, and Angle just to name a few that have complained that they are not allowed to just give a free flowing promo anymore and how it is now taboo to go outside the confines of the scripts. HBK was probrably on direct orders from Vince to say what he said.

 

But that wouldn't work in your perfect little smark worlds would it? It can't be. HBK has more power in WWE than Vince. He has too. What the fuck was I thinking? Better give up my smark card priveleges.

 

Let's start thinking rationally instead of emotionally, huh? Oh that's right, can't do that. Wouldn't be very smarkish of me.

 

I'll go back to being a good little smark.

 

Fuck HBK. Go Jericho. Fuck the Kliq. Yeah Hurricane.

 

Please.

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

Who was asking for a double turn? We're simply asking that the fans be allowed to cheer who they want without the company trying to force them into reacting the way Vince sees fit. That's all.

 

They murdered the crowd with that segment.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

HBK going off on the people of Montreal needing to stop living in 1997 and forget about the screwjob...

 

...Fine.  Just don't bring up Jesus anymore, buddy.  I mean, hey, as long as we're talking about long-past screwjobs people need to get over and let go of...

 

They need to do a show in the Bible Belt, where Shawn can lead the fans in a "You Screwed Jesus" chant against Goldberg.

 

Or would that be in bad taste?

that would also apply to FBI since they are the ones whom represent the Romans LOL in a round about way.

Actually, the Romans weren't Italian, but Latin. Just felt like pointing that out.

 

Yeah, HBK is a hypocrite. I mean, we don't really need to get into all of that again, but I just felt like pointing it out. Sure, he had no control over what happened in the segment, so he should get none of the blame. But he's still an ass for a variety of other reasons. I hope I'm wrong, because he appears to be a nice guy with his whole Christian image these days, and it would be nice to think that he's genuine, but for some reason I don't.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

You don't think HBK has been waiting to tell off the Montreal crowd (and Canadians) for a while now?? I'm sure Vince was really twisting his arm...

 

Everyone is making a bigger deal about the highlight reel segment than it is.

 

Yeah cause it's not like it took up 20 minutes of TV time and totally killed the crowd and possibly the territory by dicking around with the fans...

 

First off, yeah the crowd booed HBK and cheered Jericho. BECAUSE THEY WERE IN CANADA!!!!!!!

 

If they had done this in almost any city in the US, HBK would have had face heat. Jericho would get his pop for his entrance and then jeered once he opened his mouth.

 

The reaction from one city is not enough to justify a double turn, plain and simple.

 

SO DON'T FUCKING DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!

[Guest JMA]

I wonder if Bret will respond to this situation in his Slam! Wrestling column.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Bret was the only one who actually got over in that segment

 

I've been wondering this, how many Bret Hart matches have they shown on the Vault series?? And how many of them has shown him winning???

 

vs. HBK SS97

vs. Bulldog SSlam 92

vs. Owen WM 10

 

All Losses.

[Guest Anglesault]

HBK going off on the people of Montreal needing to stop living in 1997 and forget about the screwjob...

 

...Fine.  Just don't bring up Jesus anymore, buddy.  I mean, hey, as long as we're talking about long-past screwjobs people need to get over and let go of...

 

They need to do a show in the Bible Belt, where Shawn can lead the fans in a "You Screwed Jesus" chant against Goldberg.

 

Or would that be in bad taste?

that would also apply to FBI since they are the ones whom represent the Romans LOL in a round about way.

Actually, the Romans weren't Italian, but Latin. Just felt like pointing that out.

And of course, most of the Mob is very Christian. Hell, Italians in general.

[Guest Dangerous A]

SO DON'T FUCKING DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!

Hey I never said that they should've done the segment.

 

From the writing on the wall, I just think that it shows Vince is not over the Screw Job and this segment proved it. Another thing I was trying to get across was that everyone clamored for a double turn from the reaction of one city. If this was the overwelming reaction across the board, I'd be the first on board for a turn.

 

As soon as they brought Montreal and Bret up, the segment was ruined. I remember HBK getting face heat in February against Jericho at No Way Out and felt maybe the Canadian fans let the Screw job go with HBK. However that all goes out the window as soon as Bret is mentioned. It should go out the window too since WWE refuses to move on, similar to how they suggested to the audience last night. That was why they shit on the segment.

 

I'll give you the nod, RRR, they shouldn't have done the seg in the first place. I, however, did not want the segment either.

[Guest EdwardKnoxII]

Just like alot of people here have said the segment was great untill the end. Why can't they let Jericho stay the face in Canada? The reason I can think of is that the WWE and Shawn would get some joy out of having Shawn cheered by the Montreal crowd over Jericho and SS 97. They should have had the match in Montreal with Jericho fighting for Canada and Bret.

 

Question about the match in 2 weeks. How many people think that Jericho is going to lose AGAIN to Shawn?

[Guest bob_barron]

Jericho is going to go over but it will be due to interference from Evolution.

[Guest EdwardKnoxII]

Jericho is going to go over but it will be due to interference from Evolution.

 

In other words HHH is going to be the one that knocks out Shawn and lets Jericho win.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

HBK going off on the people of Montreal needing to stop living in 1997 and forget about the screwjob...

 

What an idiot. I think if the same scenario happened to HBK somewhere in TX, a grudge wouldn't have been different.

 

The purpose, indeed, was that the WWE wants everybody to move on, they wanted to address it because thier sick of going to Montreal and having their face, HBK, getting boo'ed.

 

Shawn Michaels made a decision and now he's going to have to live with the consequences whether he likes or not. If WWE doesn't like it that much, they can stop going to Montreal, simple as that.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if HBK loses clean to Jericho at Staples.

 

Holy shit, Jericho finally gets revenge? Can this be true?

 

*waits for the rematch that SHOULD have waited til SummerSlam.

 

*also hopes HBK taps out to the Walls of Jericho and maybe his back will finally give out.

[Guest The Czech Republic]

It sounds like this message board is in Canada.

I believe a sizable portion of the board community does in fact live in Canada, so there you go.

[Guest jester]

Question about the match in 2 weeks. How many people think that Jericho is going to lose AGAIN to Shawn?

[Raises hand]

 

And all the HBK apologists will arrive to explain why it was the right thing or why it wasn't so bad.

[Guest HellSpawn]

1st. I still need to see the segment, down here Raw is on Saturday morning, But I do read 2-3 reviews of the show and I know what happened. Hopefully, I will get the segment and not the awesome test - Nash stuff.

 

Now about the segment.

 

Yes, I still hate Vince, Hebner and Shawn. But, I still can appreciate HBK if he use his "lets work" boots.

 

This segment looks like it was going to set a match for later in the night. And it ended in a match not only not in this show, but not even the next week. They shedulled the match 2 weeks later. That is stupid.

 

It looks also like they set the promo to be Face Y2J vs Heel HBK, maybe to set the double turn and probably turn finally HBK face on Canada, or maybe to finally give in and accept that HBK will be ever Heel in Canada, ask Hebner.

 

Like some opf you said before, If the WWE want US (Worlwide and Canada fans) to forget about Montreal, why they keep using the montreal finish? whats the point of the video from surser97?

 

If they want HBK to be face again in Canada, They could be played the WM XIX card.

 

 

Now, if they wanted to set a match for later in the month... they could be played the bait and switch card, setting the match later in the night and the some kind of DQ or interference, maybe the Evolution beating BOTH guys. You know, like beating 1st HBK and while Y2J is ready to beat shawn... they turn against him and leave both KO.