Fökai 0 Report post Posted August 16, 2003 The Hogan DVD had a lot of matches that had no place being on the DVD... Being? Without knowing the matches off-hand, I don't remember a meaningless match on that DVD (with the exception of that handicap match). and they could have added a few other more monumental ones. WWE Home Video have made it clear (through their releases) they do not want to go past two DVD's to sell a product. You're already jeopardizing the price, which would possibly end up selling for 39.99, just so you can fit in a few extra matches. Half of the matches on the Rey DVD are three minute SD specials. GO WWE HOME VIDEO!!!! If "half" means two (which is not half of the 10 matches on his DVD), then you'd be right. His matches with Chavo and Noble are the only matches that even fit into the mold you're trying to reach, with one being his DEBUT match. I haven't seen the other two you brought up. But just look at the feature segments on the Hogan and Rey DVD. Rey spent 5 years in WCW, yet it was discussed for all of 10 minutes. Hogan talked about the nWo and that was it. Obviously someone likes to dwell on the current product more than the past. WWE Revisionist History ™ is something we've all come to loathe - but in terms of "extras", they're stuck to their end of the bargain and gave the DVD consumers what they were clamoring for Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted August 16, 2003 Ok...I looked at the title history and that was just complete bullshit there First off Arqutte is bullshit alone... Flair wins it two weeks later and is stripped...Nash wins a three for it over Steiner and Jarrett...and then Nash hands it back to Flair...and then just drops it back to fucking Jarrett...9 title changes in 4 fucking weeks? Sorry but at least HHH doesn't pull that shit off Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JHawk 0 Report post Posted August 16, 2003 Didn't Flair pass out the night after he beat Jarrett at the end of Thunder? I remember there being some real concern that Flair might have had a major health problem. I believe that's why they vacated the title, and when they realized Flair was healthy enough to wrestle, they gave it back to him. That's Russo's way of trying to keep the lineage of the title "credible". It doesn't work, but for once he tried. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted August 16, 2003 As Barron said, Flair actually gave his opinions on all sixteen reigns - it's in the new WWE RAW magazine (with Austin on the cover). Flair tearing Jim Herd a new hole regarding his 7th reign, is worth the newstand price alone. Didn't Flair pass out the night after he beat Jarrett at the end of Thunder? I remember there being some real concern that Flair might have had a major health problem. I believe that's why they vacated the title, and when they realized Flair was healthy enough to wrestle, they gave it back to him. According to the interview, the history went: REIGN 15: 5/15/2000 Ric Flair def. Jeff Jarrett on Monday Nitro (Biloxi, MS) 5/22/2000 forfeits title to Jeff Jarrett for medical reasons on Monday Nitro (Grand Rapids, MI) Length: 1 week. REIGN 16: 5/29/2000 Kevin Nash reliquishes title to Flair on Monday Nitro (SLC, UT) 5/29/2000 Ric Flair loses to Jeff Jarrett last that night on Nitro. Length: Approx. 2 hours. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted August 16, 2003 The fact Russo thought David Arquette was a good idea along with wanting to put the title on Tank Abott kills ANY "credibility" he could ever gain... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted August 16, 2003 Didn't Flair pass out the night after he beat Jarrett at the end of Thunder? I remember there being some real concern that Flair might have had a major health problem. I believe that's why they vacated the title, and when they realized Flair was healthy enough to wrestle, they gave it back to him. That's Russo's way of trying to keep the lineage of the title "credible". It doesn't work, but for once he tried. I think it was all a work- like everything Russo did back then Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JHawk 0 Report post Posted August 16, 2003 I don't think even Russo's stupid enough to do that kind of work less than two years after the heart attack angle, particularly when Bischoff was still co-booker at the time. Wait, we're talking about Russo here... Eh, whatever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted August 16, 2003 Let's have a little Poll What was the WORST Russoism? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Retro Rob Report post Posted August 16, 2003 The Hogan DVD had a lot of matches that had no place being on the DVD... Being? Without knowing the matches off-hand, I don't remember a meaningless match on that DVD (with the exception of that handicap match). and they could have added a few other more monumental ones. WWE Home Video have made it clear (through their releases) they do not want to go past two DVD's to sell a product. You're already jeopardizing the price, which would possibly end up selling for 39.99, just so you can fit in a few extra matches. Half of the matches on the Rey DVD are three minute SD specials. GO WWE HOME VIDEO!!!! If "half" means two (which is not half of the 10 matches on his DVD), then you'd be right. His matches with Chavo and Noble are the only matches that even fit into the mold you're trying to reach, with one being his DEBUT match. I haven't seen the other two you brought up. But just look at the feature segments on the Hogan and Rey DVD. Rey spent 5 years in WCW, yet it was discussed for all of 10 minutes. Hogan talked about the nWo and that was it. Obviously someone likes to dwell on the current product more than the past. WWE Revisionist History ™ is something we've all come to loathe - but in terms of "extras", they're stuck to their end of the bargain and gave the DVD consumers what they were clamoring for On the Hogan DVD: vs. the jobber tag team w/Beefcake vs. Savage/Zeus vs. Koloff SNME w/Andre vs. KKB/Studd SNME w/Gene vs. Fuji/Steele Survivor Series vs. Tiger Chung Lee (3 minute squash) Those all come from the second disc, since I recently watched it for my review. Now the SummerSlam match could have been replaced with vs. Savage from either MSG or WM V. Neither of those two SNME matches served any purpose as far as storylines go. The Gene match belongs on a Gene Okerlund DVD, not a Hulk Hogan DVD. The DVD would not have needed to be made into a three disc set. Just take out the meaningless matches and add more important ones. For instance (off the top of my head), his matches at Mania 1, 5, 6, 18, or even 7. Sure his matches with the Warrior and the Rock are on the X-8 DVD, but I don't give a shit because this IS supposed to be a Hulk Hogan DVD. As for the Rey DVD, why even bother with those two SD matches. Put vs. Angle from SummerSlam on instead. Or another one of his countless WCW classics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted August 16, 2003 On the Hogan DVD: vs. the jobber tag team Granted, though I thought the interview post-match was the focus of the extra. w/Beefcake vs. Savage/Zeus Blowoff to the Savage feud. Blowoff to the Zeus feud until the December PPV. Being a PPV main event match, it's hard to find its glaring faults for being on the DVD. vs. Koloff SNME 50/50 here. The only match on this DVD, where Hogan plays the "Real American" schtick, with the American flag and the "Eye of the Tiger" theme song - definitely "Hulkamania" at its infant stages. w/Andre vs. KKB/Studd SNME 50/50 again. He teamed with ANDRE - this provided a small build to the Wrestlemania III match they also inserted into the DVD. w/Gene vs. Fuji/Steele Grouped with the accompanying video packages, I would prefer this extra over much of Hogan's early WWF work. Survivor Series Why, yes, MEANINGLESS. As in building to the famous Hogan/Savage storyline that culminated at a SNME three months later - one angle that particularly drew in a good chunk of the TSM posters to become wrestling fans in the first place (as evidenced by the Elizabeth thread) - a match that did a good job in making the Twin Towers a formidable team. vs. Tiger Chung Lee (3 minute squash) Which was part of an entire interview with McMahon and Hogan on Tuesday Night Titans. Please tell me you felt the match was the focus of that extra. Sure his matches with the Warrior and the Rock are on the X-8 DVD, but I don't give a shit because this IS supposed to be a Hulk Hogan DVD. Yet, you'd PROBABLY bitch if they were used TWICE as an extra, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted August 16, 2003 Let's have a little Poll What was the WORST Russoism? The night after Bash at The Beach 2000 up until Fall Brawl 2000. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crucifixio Jones Report post Posted August 16, 2003 (edited) If "half" means two (which is not half of the 10 matches on his DVD), then you'd be right. His matches with Chavo and Noble are the only matches that even fit into the mold you're trying to reach, with one being his DEBUT match. Um...outta the 10 matches on Rey's DVD, FOUR are Smackdown matches. That IS nearly half. It also means there's not even any Rey WWE PPV matches on the disc. I understand that those matches are on the PPV discs themselves but WWE needs to understand that if you buy a DVD of a certain wrestler you want their best matches. I (and a lot of people like me) are not gonna buy a DVD of a PPV event for ONE match involving a guy I like. Rey's stuff with Edge and the tag titles should be on his DVD. Period. Just like Hogan's matches vs. Warrior and Rocky should be on his disc. You can't put together a comprehensive retrospective of someone's career and leave out big matches because "well, they're already on another of our discs." As if WWE is REALLY that concerned with screwing over the consumer or somehow double-dipping us. Yeaaaaah, riiiiight. I'm sure a real fan wouldn't mind that those matches got repeated. I swear, the one time WWE actually tries to do something right, they still end up fucking us over, who cares if their heart is in the right place? They're not doing us any favors anway; they just want you to buy those PPV DVDs as well. It's just dumb to leave good PPV matches and the like off of someone's own signature DVD because they're on a disc already. If that's the case then why even put out that bullshit "That Damn Good" DVD of HHH's? That's ALL PPV matches! They didn't worry about that cutting into sales of those PPV DVDs. But oh yeah, he's HHH...I forgot. As for the four SD! matches on Rey's DVD: vs. Noble, vs. Chavo, vs. Angle & vs. Angle & Benoit. Edited August 16, 2003 by Crucifixio Jones Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted August 16, 2003 Um...outta the 10 matches on Rey's DVD, FOUR are Smackdown matches. That IS nearly half. This is what Rob said - Half of the matches on the Rey DVD are three minute SD specials. GO WWE HOME VIDEO!!!! So which of those four SD! matches are "three minute SD specials"? TWO of them, with one being his debut match. Shouldn't that be a meaningful match that should be included on a DVD? As for the four SD! matches on his DVD: vs. Noble, vs. Chavo, vs. Angle & vs. Angle & Benoit. The latter two you mentioned are ***1/2+, and are not "three minute SD specials". It also means there's not even any Rey WWE PPV matches on the disc. I understand that those matches are on the PPV discs themselves but WWE needs to understand that if you buy a DVD of a certain wrestler you want their best matches. I (and a lot of people like me) are not gonna buy a DVD of a PPV event for ONE match involving a guy I like. Rey's stuff with Edge and the tag titles should be on his DVD. Period. UGGGH! You telling me people on this board wouldn't complain about "double-dipping"? It's also good business for WWF/WWE Home Video to leave the WWE PPV matches on their respective DVDs, and not spread them out to their profile sets. This way, you're enticing the consumers to pick up more...and more....and more... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted August 16, 2003 It's just dumb to leave good PPV matches and the like off of someone's own signature DVD because they're on a disc already. If that's the case then why even put out that bullshit "That Damn Good" DVD of HHH's? That's ALL PPV matches! They didn't worry about that cutting into sales of those PPV DVDs. But oh yeah, he's HHH...I forgot. Well, That Damn Good was a Sam Goody-only release; at most DVD outlets, it's not even recognized as a WWE product or sold as such. Most people refuse to purchase this product, JUST BECAUSE there are PPV matches that are already covered on other DVD's - heck, I know about 10 on this board alone. And to defend the DVD, THREE of the six matches aren't available on any current WWF/WWE DVD releases. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LivingLegendGaryColeman 0 Report post Posted August 16, 2003 Just to let everyone know, when I first read about this (I don't remember where though), it said it was part of the From the Vault series. Which means it is straight up what we want to see like the Michaels and no time wasted on a feature with mainly facts we either know or don't really care to know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted August 16, 2003 (edited) LLGC is correct. This will be a From the Vault release, with NO video profile of Flair. Also, the DVD will be released THIS YEAR in the United States. Release date is either December 9th or 16th. Release date in Canada is January 27th, as stated earlier. Edited August 16, 2003 by bravesfan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Imp Report post Posted August 16, 2003 I really hope they include the "I Quit" match with Funk... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpikeFayeJettEdBebop 0 Report post Posted August 16, 2003 LLGC is correct. This will be a From the Vault release, with NO video profile of Flair. Also, the DVD will be released THIS YEAR in the United States. Release date is either December 9th or 16th. Release date in Canada is January 27th, as stated earlier. Awesome, I cant wait! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted August 16, 2003 (edited) Speaking of Flair, his music is kept intact on the Bad Blood DVD, while Booker T's was STILL edited! I would happy if they managed to fit in Savage Vs. Flair from WM VIII on the DVD. One match I never get tired of watching. Edited August 16, 2003 by Rico_Constantino Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Decadent Slacker Report post Posted August 16, 2003 Hogan's DVD was a mixed bag, obviously. Half of that stuff didn't need to be there, as far as content (no Hollywood stuff is a crime if you're doing a retrospective). I would have much prefered Savage at WM, for one, over the handicap match (they could have just had the interview as an easter egg). I'd rather have the whole '90 Rumble instead of the Taker match. But shit happens. Flair's DVD BETTER be better than Michaels'. It has to. If it's just matches & interviews & stuff, then there's no reason why it can't go 2 discs & rule all. All i ask is Wargames '87, Vs Steamboat at Clash, Vs Funk in the I Quit, & Vs Windham at the Crockett Cup be there. If Flair has a say in what's going to be on there, then i'll be totally satisfied with the result. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted August 16, 2003 Well, That Damn Good was a Sam Goody-only release; at most DVD outlets, it's not even recognized as a WWE product or sold as such. Most people refuse to purchase this product, JUST BECAUSE there are PPV matches that are already covered on other DVD's I have to admit its pretty badass that it has Austin / HHH from NWO 2001 on it. That PPV wasn't released on DVD for some strange reason... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
