Serious In-ring Injuries?

[Ace309 0]

The most recent in the rash of injuries caused by Low Ki got me thinking. I was in an argument with someone and said that one of the marks of a good wrestler is that you can work stiff without injuring your opponent, and he answered back with two of the more infamous injuries: The Misawa-Kawada broken orbital, and Stan Hansen popping Vader's eyeball out.

 

The worst North American in-ring injuries are legendary - OwenDriver '97 comes to mind. What about in Japan? What are some of the more serious injuries? Do they happen more frequently due to the stiffer style employed by the major promotions, or (as I suspect) are the workers trained and conditioned better to avoid them?

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

I'm not much of a Puro fan at all, but I think that the number of injuries are either lessened due to superior training (ie. training to take bumps better instead of working primarily on physique, which most NA workers do) or are the same amount.

 

The only injury that pops into my head from the land of the rising sun that I can recall immediately is Hayabusa's botched moonsault where he landed directly on his head and broke his neck.

[Guest TheGame2705]

one of the marks of a good wrestler is that you can work stiff

 

So Rick Steiner's a good wrestler? I'm a fan of his but I think it's known in wrestling, stiff=bad

[Guest Doyo]

Why quote someone and then leave out an important part of their sentence?

He said, "one of the marks of a good wrestler is that you can work stiff without

injuring your opponent"

 

I think it's known in wrestling, stiff=bad

 

Then a whole bunch of the top wrestlers from the past and present = bad ??

 

I would say that injuring people = bad , but mistakes are going to happen no

matter what.

 

My thoughts on people overreacting to Low Ki's stiffness can be found in the

misc. promotions folder.

[Guest bort]

muta and KENTA both had too take time off due to knee injuries due to insane amounts of moonsaults, u dont really see guys in the usa knees gettin distroyed as much

[Guest Doyo]

http://www.ichibanpuroresu.com/review/review076.html

 

WHY AREN'T NECK INJURIES AS FREQUENT IN JAPAN?

With the mounting number of neck injuries that so many WWE wrestlers are sustaining, many have suggested ways to solve or at least aid the problem. The reasons for these injuries are pretty clear: an accumulation of big bumps on the neck. And in the WWE in 2003, believe it or not, what a wrestler does in the ring is now very important – more important that it's ever been in the WWE's market.

 

So with wrestlers working the hardest style mainstream wrestling in the US has ever seen, it's a popular question to ask, "With wrestlers in Japan arguably wrestling an even harder style, why don't neck injuries pile up there like they are in the WWE?" Most notably, the All Japan/NOAH style has been filled with top stars destroying each other with all the suplexes the guys in WWE are doing now and more. After all the German suplexes, decapitating backdrops, the constant elbows and kicks, pummeling the neck and even experiments with such moves as the Tiger Driver '91 and the Burning Hammer, why have these guys who wrestled such a dangerous neck-beating style never had significant recorded neck problems? Many say it's the method of touring that is done in Japan, with a tour lasting about three weeks, then taking a week and a half or so off to rest, as opposed to the WWE's non-stop touring week after week. And the rest is definitely a factor, but there's a little more to it.

 

The tendencies of how often tag matches or six- or eight-man tag matches are booked and how the fans perceive them are very different in the three major areas of the world where pro wrestling exists. In Mexico, the rudos vs. technicos trios (six-man tag) matches are a major event, right on par with singles matches and their fans have been conditioned for decades to perceive them as such. In Japan, singles matches are booked with rarity to preserve their importance, especially between the top stars. For example, Mitsuharu Misawa and Toshiaki Kawada, from the time they were young boys to the time Misawa left All Japan, they had a total of 19 singles matches against one another. And when they had them when they were on top, each one of those matches had real importance.

 

About 90% of the matches held by the major promotions in Japan are some form of tag matches – televised or not. However, the tour usually ends with a high-profile singles match (or otherwise big match) held in a major arena. But all the rest of the main events on the tour are these varieties of tag matches. And in them, you have three or five or seven other guys to do the work with you. Kenta Kobashi, Mitsuharu Misawa and Yuji Nagata, to name a few, routinely have 20-minute matches every night, but they're only actually in the ring for about five or seven minutes of that. In the WWE, you have guys like Kurt Angle, Edge and Benoit having 10- to 15-minute matches every time they go out there. But the guys in the WWE are doing more work because they're usually in singles matches, where they're doing all the work. Best-case scenario, they're in four-man tag matches, where they're sharing it with another guy. Rarely on WWE TV or house shows do they book six-man or eight-man tags. And so, WWE guys go out there, working the toughest schedule in wrestling and wrestling more and taking more beatings than any other promotions' wrestlers are.

[Guest TheGame2705]

 

http://www.ichibanpuroresu.com/review/review076.html

 

WHY AREN'T NECK INJURIES AS FREQUENT IN JAPAN?

With the mounting number of neck injuries that so many WWE wrestlers are sustaining, many have suggested ways to solve or at least aid the problem. The reasons for these injuries are pretty clear: an accumulation of big bumps on the neck. And in the WWE in 2003, believe it or not, what a wrestler does in the ring is now very important – more important that it's ever been in the WWE's market.

 

So with wrestlers working the hardest style mainstream wrestling in the US has ever seen, it's a popular question to ask, "With wrestlers in Japan arguably wrestling an even harder style, why don't neck injuries pile up there like they are in the WWE?" Most notably, the All Japan/NOAH style has been filled with top stars destroying each other with all the suplexes the guys in WWE are doing now and more. After all the German suplexes, decapitating backdrops, the constant elbows and kicks, pummeling the neck and even experiments with such moves as the Tiger Driver '91 and the Burning Hammer, why have these guys who wrestled such a dangerous neck-beating style never had significant recorded neck problems? Many say it's the method of touring that is done in Japan, with a tour lasting about three weeks, then taking a week and a half or so off to rest, as opposed to the WWE's non-stop touring week after week. And the rest is definitely a factor, but there's a little more to it.

 

The tendencies of how often tag matches or six- or eight-man tag matches are booked and how the fans perceive them are very different in the three major areas of the world where pro wrestling exists. In Mexico, the rudos vs. technicos trios (six-man tag) matches are a major event, right on par with singles matches and their fans have been conditioned for decades to perceive them as such. In Japan, singles matches are booked with rarity to preserve their importance, especially between the top stars. For example, Mitsuharu Misawa and Toshiaki Kawada, from the time they were young boys to the time Misawa left All Japan, they had a total of 19 singles matches against one another. And when they had them when they were on top, each one of those matches had real importance.

 

About 90% of the matches held by the major promotions in Japan are some form of tag matches – televised or not. However, the tour usually ends with a high-profile singles match (or otherwise big match) held in a major arena. But all the rest of the main events on the tour are these varieties of tag matches. And in them, you have three or five or seven other guys to do the work with you. Kenta Kobashi, Mitsuharu Misawa and Yuji Nagata, to name a few, routinely have 20-minute matches every night, but they're only actually in the ring for about five or seven minutes of that. In the WWE, you have guys like Kurt Angle, Edge and Benoit having 10- to 15-minute matches every time they go out there. But the guys in the WWE are doing more work because they're usually in singles matches, where they're doing all the work. Best-case scenario, they're in four-man tag matches, where they're sharing it with another guy. Rarely on WWE TV or house shows do they book six-man or eight-man tags. And so, WWE guys go out there, working the toughest schedule in wrestling and wrestling more and taking more beatings than any other promotions' wrestlers are.

According to Dave Dymond, Japanese workers work a tougher schedule with less pay.

[Guest sean pyro]

What are some of the more serious injuries?

You could a whole thread on Hayabusa.

[Guest BAR]

And Sasuke's skull crackings.

[Internet Warfare 0]

Dont know if its from FMW or ECW but I have a clip of Hayabusa doing a SSP on Mike Awesome where he lands on his face but his body is still vertical onto Awesome's chest.

[Ced 0]

That Hayabusa clip is from FMW, TokyoX. Listen to the horrid commentary team. I cringe whenever I see that clip.

 

Another serious injury was Akira Hokuto's broken neck early in her career. Someone that follows joshi more closely would be able to tell you the details.

[Jingus 0]

I think it's known in wrestling, stiff=bad

 

Then a whole bunch of the top wrestlers from the past and present = bad ?

Yes, being stiff is bad, at least by the real workers' definition of "stiff", which is generally "hitting someone as hard as you can with no protection". Now, blasting the hell out of someone in a safe manner (directing the blow to a safe place, pulling it just enough, etc) is acceptable, and the term for that is being "snug".

 

Of course, the best alternative possible are guys who look like they're killing you when they're barely even touching you. See the Midnight Express for some good examples.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Hokuto broke her neck taking a second rope Tombstone piledriver in a tag match. She held her neck in place and finished the match. I don't know the participants, but she was teaming regularly with Suzuka Manami at the time.

 

Hokuto had plenty of injuries through out her career, but I don't know which ones were worked, real, or both. I do know that her leg injury against Toyota was real also.