Two McMahons Go Over

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

Why oh why do Austin McMahon and Shane McMahon put themselves over the talent? Why? I'm sick of it.

 

Johnathan Coachman pulled off a great heel turn, last night, becoming mega over, possibly the second or third most over heel on the show (Kane's more of a tweener) and cutting an excellent promo. I doubt anyone really knew he had it in him. Of course, the WWE can't have too many heels getting over at once, so out comes SCSA to kill his heat. But wait, not yet Steve! Let's send the IC champ out there as well. After Christian draws some ehat for his promo, Austin can wait no longer. He is rabid.

 

Out he comes, ignores Christian, this is the IC champ here, and proceeds to kill Coachman's heat and a little of Bischoff's for good measure. So, Christian musters up a little courage and looks strong for a few seconds before a stare from Austin, a semi-retired crippled wrestler, shuts him up. Kick in his knees! That's all he had to do! So, after that, he forces Chrisitan into a match with Jerry Lawler, a 50 year old man. Hey, remember when Lawler was a hel commentator that hated face Austin? Ha ha ha ha ha. Good times. Anyway, Christian, the IC champ, shows FEAR, at the thought of wrestling a guy that could be his father. *Sigh*

 

Then, there Shane. Kane's storyline on RAW was the best. It was built well and written well. However, anytime Shane got involved, a little would be taken away from Kane. Kane had to SELL for Shane, a part time performer. an untrained wrestler, a fact that the ccommentators play up. Kane was getting over greatly as a tweener (certainly not what the WWE wanted). I guess Kane's momentuous heat had to be killed. Not by RVD in a brutal WM20 match for the title after months of an insane yet genius Kane going on a rampage through both rosters. No, not like that. But by boy wonder Shane McMahon.

 

First, I'm no Jericho fan. But, WHY HE FUCK WAS SHANE BEATING HIM?! IT MAKES NO SENSE!!!!! It made Jericho look weak. Jericho has been treated well in th past few weeks, so I guess he has to repay that by selling fro the bosses son. But not to fear, Kane is here. Kane prepares a bed of fire for our hero, and alas, in a cruel twist of irony, he is thrown into it himself! Ahhh, yes, let's make both Kane AND Jericho look weak! I guess that beating of Jericho still wasn't enough to stop that soldier of virtue Shane from killing Kane. It'ss amazing, Kane was laying in a bed of fire, yet, he had no more heat.

 

Fuck you Shane. Fuck you Austin.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

Why oh why do Austin McMahon and Shane McMahon put themselves over the talent? Why? I'm sick of

 

As far as I know Austin isn't booking anything.

 

Oh, and there is about 20 threads a day saying the same stuff. "Too many McMahons" etc. and it's true. We all know it's true.

 

I wouldn't say Coach did anything "great". He did a JR impression that everyone does and looked like a sack of shit when he had to do anything athletic. Quite comical, though.

[Youth N Asia 0]

Vince gets off on him and his family taking up 50% of the "wrestling" shows. Even though ratings don't prove it he thinks that's what we want to see.`

[Guest BionicRedneck]

Vince has no competition. He books things for his own amusement. Plus, he probably walked away with a couple of mil $ last year so he is happier than a pig in shit. Sad but true.

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

Coach did alot more than a fucking JR impression. You don't get "asshole" chants for a JR impression.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

People already hated Coach before he turned heel due to his incredibly poor comentary.

[Youth N Asia 0]

Coach did alot more than a fucking JR impression. You don't get "asshole" chants for a JR impression.

People get asshole chants for cutting boring promos

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

No, they get "What" chants or silence.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

Hey, I like Coach as much as the next guy (not much) but lets not make him out to be Art Barr or some shit. People never liked him anyway, it wasn't any great heel work.

[Guest Eagan469]

I think when Rock comes back they should do a segment with him and Coachman.

 

:: Coach finishing up interview ::

 

Coach: Well, there you have it! The IC champ, Christian!

 

:: camera pans to the left, Rock is standing there ::

 

Rock: What in the blue hell happened to you? Do the Charleston!

 

:: Coach doesn't budge ::

 

Christian: You can't boss him around!

 

:: Rock turns to Christian ::

 

Rock: Says who?

 

:: Coach hits Rock in the back with a chair ::

 

Coach: Says me.

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

I think when Rock comes back they should do a segment with him and Coachman.

 

:: Coach finishing up interview ::

 

Coach: Well, there you have it! The IC champ, Christian!

 

:: camera pans to the left, Rock is standing there ::

 

Rock: What in the blue hell happened to you? Do the Charleston!

 

:: Coach doesn't budge ::

 

Christian: You can't boss him around!

 

:: Rock turns to Christian ::

 

Rock: Says who?

 

:: Coach hits Rock in the back with a chair ::

 

Coach: Says me.

Wait, it's not done......

 

::Coach turns around. Austin is standing in his face.::

 

Coach: Hey....Wha-

 

::STUNNER! Austin drinks beer::

 

Gotta remember to put Stone Cold over!

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

Hey, I like Coach as much as the next guy (not much) but lets not make him out to be Art Barr or some shit. People never liked him anyway, it wasn't any great heel work.

Coachman's heel act is refreshing and over. He's not using "___ sports team suck" heel heat like Angle or going throught the motions like Jericho. He has a nice heel charsima like Bischoff and it could pay off.

[OldSchoolWrestling 0]

I was hoping Coach would have given SCSA a nutshot while he was facing Christian. Then Christian could have stomped SCSA while he was down, they still walk off together, they still get heel heat, SCSA gets face heat and all ends well.

 

I really hope this is leading towards Coach taking over for either King or JR. He's never impressed me as a face announcer but playing heel would be much more entertaining.

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

I was hoping Coach would have given SCSA a nutshot while he was facing Christian. Then Christian could have stomped SCSA while he was down, they still walk off together, they still get heel heat, SCSA gets face heat and all ends well.

 

I really hope this is leading towards Coach taking over for either King or JR. He's never impressed me as a face announcer but playing heel would be much more entertaining.

That will never happen because Austin wouldn't be coming out on top. When was the last time someone truly got the better of Austin. He never gets beaten down, he beats up active wrestlers randomly (until recently) and he kills people's heat. When Foley was the face Commissioner, he was outsmarted and beaten around every now and then, Austin is still booked like he is the champion.

[OldSchoolWrestling 0]

I remember when that music used to hit and everyone would go apeshit, including myself watching at home. Now the music hits and and all I can do is hope it ends quickly.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

When was the last time someone truly got the better of Austin.

 

Didn't Kane kick his ass a month ago? Who cares if Austin is squashing a loser like Coach?

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

I don't remember Kane kicking Austin's ass. Maybe a chokeslam or something. The weakest I remember Austin looking is when Kane was in his insecire stage and Austin didn't look him in the face. But that was more to play up to the fact that Kane was ugly wheather than Austin looking weak.

 

Also, it's not about Austin sqaushing a "loser" like Coachman, it's the fact that he's booked too damn strong for a fucking co-GM. There were three heeels in that ring; a bulked up commentator about the size of Randy Orton (Coach), a certifed black belt (Bischoff), and the IC champion (Christian), and they were all scared shitless of Asutin. Would it be too much to ask that they could have at least beat the guy down? Geez!

[Guest Adrian 3:16]

I don't see why Austin is supposed to magically lose his ass-kicking powers just because he can't take a back bump anymore. Why would Coach and Bischoff have a chance against the guy who used to be at the top of the wrestling food chain, just because he can't take a suplex?

 

As for Christian, in the storyline he's always been afraid of Austin, and for good reason. His only chance against him would be to take his back out, which in a confontation Austin would obviously not let happen.

 

And Kane did get the better of Austin. When Austin takes a chokeslam and doesn't get up while Kane is still standing, that qualifies as an ass kicking.

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

This is the same Austin that was squashed by the Rock at Wrestlemania. He has lost some of his asskicking powers. Like I said, there were THREE heels in that ring last night, a muscular commentator, the IC champ, and a black belt. They could have beaten his ass down or AT LEAST stood up to him without Austin losing any heat. He is just the face version of HHH's character.

[Guest Adrian 3:16]

I didn't see the segment in question (its been a LONG time since I can sit through an entire Raw without channel flipping) so I'll take your word for it if it was 3 on 1, maybe it could've been better booked.

 

I will say though that getting squashed by Rock doesn't mean much considering storyline Rock is still more of a threat than Christian, Bischoff and Coach combined. In real life a black-belt should be able to school all of them, but Bischoff has already been destroyed repeatedly, no point in salvaging him now. Also you complain about non-wrestler Shane (which I agree with you) and former wrestler Austin (which I don't), so why so concerned that fellow non-wrestlers Coach and Bischoff get their heat preserved?

 

And if face Austin has the same character as heel HHH, at least he still makes the character entertaining. HHH does not, other than a "just how low can this guy go?" sort of way- and I'm not talking in kayfabe terms either.

[Just call me Dan 0]

I don't remember Kane kicking Austin's ass. Maybe a chokeslam or something. The weakest I remember Austin looking is when Kane was in his insecire stage and Austin didn't look him in the face. But that was more to play up to the fact that Kane was ugly wheather than Austin looking weak.

 

Also, it's not about Austin sqaushing a "loser" like Coachman, it's the fact that he's booked too damn strong for a fucking co-GM. There were three heeels in that ring; a bulked up commentator about the size of Randy Orton (Coach), a certifed black belt (Bischoff), and the IC champion (Christian), and they were all scared shitless of Asutin. Would it be too much to ask that they could have at least beat the guy down? Geez!

Are you joking? Austin walloped Kane with a chair and gave him a Stunner. Kane IMMIDIATELY sat up and chokeslammed austin, and Austin has NOT gotten any "heat" back from then. He did fine there. Sure, he didn't play up to being scared of Kane, but think about it. what the hell else could he do and put Kane down? You need shane for that.

[Crimson Platypus 0]

I don't see why Austin is supposed to magically lose his ass-kicking powers just because he can't take a back bump anymore. Why would Coach and Bischoff have a chance against the guy who used to be at the top of the wrestling food chain, just because he can't take a suplex?

Um, maybe thats the point? He is injured - thus they could kick his ass easily?

[Guest Adrian 3:16]

I disagree. An injured lion can still handle himself against 3 jackals.

 

And again: his BACK is totally tweaked. Why would he not be able to punch the shit out someone or hit the Stunner for that matter? If he takes a bad suplex, that's another thing entirely...

[Guest The Grand Pubah of 1620]

I think people are so used to Austin fucking people up that he really doesn't kill anyone's heat. It is just excepted that Austin will always go over. And I for one don't care. Austin is the most entertaining thing on RAW at the moment.

[bob_barron 0]

I think people are so used to Austin fucking people up that he really doesn't kill anyone's heat. It is just excepted that Austin will always go over. And I for one don't care. Austin is the most entertaining thing on RAW at the moment.

How? His promos are no longer interesting, He adds nothing to the product and is making other people looking weak.

[Guest The Grand Pubah of 1620]

I think people are so used to Austin fucking people up that he really doesn't kill anyone's heat.  It is just excepted that Austin will always go over.  And I for one don't care.  Austin is the most entertaining thing on RAW at the moment.

How? His promos are no longer interesting, He adds nothing to the product and is making other people looking weak.

His promos are interesting, that is a matter of opinion. He adds a lot to a show. When I see SCSA come out I know that I will be entertained. As far as him making others look weak, like I said before, It's such common place for SCSA to beat someones ass I really don't think people see it as taking away from that wrester. Everyone knows what SCSA does and what his character is about.

[bob_barron 0]

Stone Cold's promos-

Christian- you suck! You're fighting a 60 year old man!

Eric Bischoff- You're a big stupid son of a bitch. Have fun fighting Kane!

Shane- Bischoff likes big boobs- kick his ass!

 

What interesting promos eh Johnson?

 

But what does Austin beating people up accomplish?

 

It doesn't draw any money. It doesn't make an ACTIVE WRESTLER look any good.

 

It just makes Stone Cold Steve Austin, a retired and unentertaining wrestler, over.

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

His promos weren't interesting last night. The first one with Terri sucked and was rambling, and the in-ring promo with Coach/Bisch/Christian was just Austin no selling what everyobdy else had to say, insulting them (and the IC belt, the one he brought back) and basically making them look like bitches as they cowered in the corner. Why couldn't they stand up to him if not beat him down? There is NO reason for a non wrestler to look that strong.

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

Also you complain about non-wrestler Shane (which I agree with you) and former wrestler Austin (which I don't), so why so concerned that fellow non-wrestlers Coach and Bischoff get their heat preserved?

 

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Bischoff and Coach don't ned their heat preserved, but they don't need it killed either. Bischoff has been made to look like an idiot time and time again and is still over, so there's really not much that can be done to him. But heel Coachman is new, entertaining, and over. They should let him build his heel heat more before having people destroy him. It just seems someone can't get over without Austin or a McMahon interjecting themselves.

[Guest Goodear]

The problems with Stone Cold...

 

1) Being in a position of power, Austin is no longer seen as the underdog to the vast unethical company. He has become what he opposed for so long and whats worse, he makes no reasoning as to why it is acceptable for him to do so.

 

2) He spends all of his time trying to get over on people like Coach and Bischoff who have never been in a real power position so its almost as though he's picking on them rather than standing up for others.

 

3) Speeking of those others, Austin seemingly only champions the causes of Jim Ross and Jerry Lawler which does nothing for anyone that the company could actually make money from.

 

4) Wrestlers who cross his path always get knocked down a peg by taking either a vocal or physical beat down. And since Austin simply can't get savaged back appropriately, the wrestlers never get their heat back.

 

5) Austin has become a parody of himself where all he does is regurgitate past catchphrases. He no longer speaks from the heart nor does he say anything of real interest.