France: Hamas, Islamic Jihad not terror groups

[Guest MikeSC]

Heck, one guy in NY (I believe) nearly lost his job for using the word "niggardly" (which has NOTHING whatsoever to do with race).

 

It was DC, IIRC. And the fellow in question DID lose his job, but was reinstated in a few days. Finally, the administration realized that the whole thing was a bunch of idiots raising a fuss over nothing. Sure, I guess one could argue that he could have chosen his words more carefully, but people who had no idea what "niggardly" meant were just reacting to the pronunciation. It was sad, really.

 

Would it be fair to say that European progress in the area of anti-Semitism has been rather niggardly?

 

EDIT: Mike, I *totally* fucked up by hitting "Edit" instead of "Quote," and now I can't undo the damage I did. My apologies.

Damn you, Tom.

 

Damn you to hell!

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

I didn't say that most education majors weren't white. I said most blacks tend to drift towards such discplines as education, social work, etc. Not an opinion, but a statement of fact. Shall we even get into how many blacks gain masters or Ph.D's in anything besides education?

 

But so do most Whites. You are saying it in a way that seems like more blacks are doing it than whites are. If you want to go by the percentages, then there are a porportionate amount of blacks seeking and/or gaining their PH.D's in many other fields. And that is a statement of FACT.

 

The number of blacks with degrees in law or medicine is miniscule and any attempt to claim otherwise stands in stark contrast to the actual FACTS of the matter.

 

About 10 percent of all college students are in law or medicine. If every single black student that went to college took up a law or medical degree, they would STILL make up a miniscule numer of those in the fields. The number of blacks in college is miniscule in comparison to whites, how are they going to make up a large percentage of those in the medical and law fields. Of the miniscule number of blacks in college, a porpotionate amount of them are in the law and medical fields as there is a likelihood that whites would be in. You can't just jump from using exact numbers to percentages whenever it supports your case.

 

I think you are missing what the main thing about being a minority is. There are less blacks in medical and law fields because there are less blacks in the country.

 

And I have YET to comment on white students. They aren't relevant to this discussion whatsoever. We're discussing BLACK students and these are problems that blacks have. Blacks have a higher drop-out rate than whites (fact) and tend to segregate themselves racially on campuses as many don't feel as intelligent as their white counterparts.

 

A: Um...no...thats not a fact. The college drop out rate is 58.1 percent. Of the blacks that enter college, there is only a 18 percent drop out rate. Blacks make up less than 5 percent of the overall college population. You do the math on whose drop out rate is larger.

 

If you are talking about highschool rates, then yeah, Blacks have a drop out rate of 6.1 percent while whites have a drop out rate of 4.1 percent. Thats the only fact you can be grabbing at.

 

B: Either you don't understand the meaning of the word fact(which I would guess you do) or you just wanted to throw that last ridiculous part on. There is no truth to that whatsoever. If it is your belief fine, but don't try to past over your opinon as fact.

I'm not saying more blacks than whites do it. I'm saying that as a rule, blacks tend to migrate towards those fields of study. It is not a discussion of comparisons between the races. And, according to every study I've ever seen, the sheer number of blacks seeking Ph.D's in things like biology et al are miniscule --- at best.

 

As for law students, the sheer number of blacks in those fields is a tiny proportion of the total population. I'm talking less than 100, on average.

 

You seem to be missing that when compared to the percentage of whites, the percentage of blacks in the "hard" sciences is tiny.

 

You look at top-level universities and blacks fall by the wayside so fast it makes your head spin as colleges stick black young adults in schools that they are grossly ill-prepared for, rather than denying them access to their school and sending them to a smaller, slightly prestigious school that the black student in question will excel at.

 

And it is a fact --- like it or not.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

I suppose you've got proof that the guy meant those comments in all seriousness while sober, eh Marney? If you have, I'd be more than willing to here it. If not, then you've just contradicted yourself.

I try to take people seriously when they say things. I don't immediately hunt for reasons why they MIGHT not have meant what they said. You do, naturally: your preconceived notions allow you to admit no possibility that might contradict them.

 

If someone makes an uncoerced statement, I don't have to provide any "proof" that he meant what he said. I take it at face value unless I have reason to do otherwise. In this case, I have none. And all you offer are inane hypotheticals.

 

And I suppose you have proof that he wasn't co-erced then? You've got proof that that quote wasn't taked out of context? Or are you basing your whole beliefs on this situation on what an American said about it on the internet? God you're good Marney.

 

I appologise for insinuating that the U.S government was rascist, but I still believe a bunch of middle-aged, middle class white guys aren't necessarily gonna be completely non-rascist (although again I obviously have no proof).

 

I know. I don't care. Your beliefs are irrelevant. Have you grasped that yet? Shut your ignorant mouth.

Well, I'm glad that you could be mature about that and agree to disagree

 

I am still gonna stick by my point, however, that France is not an anti-semitic country

 

So basically, you can't refute any of the evidence, and you have no new or valid arguments to advance, but you're going to stick by your "point" regardless. I'm sure that's just marvellous for you, but why tell me? It has nothing to do with me. It has nothing to do with the facts. In fact, it has nothing at all to do with anyone but you. So be a dear and keep it to yourself

 

Why tell you? This was started by the fact that you dislike France and believe it to have an anti-semitic core and yet disagree that it might just be like America.

 

And, oh yes. The facts. Written by the most unbiased sources, of course. I go to France regularly, and it is nothing like the country your precious articles would lead you to believe it is.

Hint: It's not Marney's job to prove that the guy wasn't coerced --- it's YOUR job to prove that he was, if you wish to imply it. If you wish to claim he did not say it, again, make the claim.

 

BTW, the U.S is so far different than you think than France is different than we think.

 

By and large, Americans don't think about France, outside of making obvious jokes.

-=Mike