The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2003 Fuck Nirvana. Although the sheer scope of their overratedness is growing to staggering heights. That's a kind of interesting, I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DangerousDamon 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2003 Why are people getting so pissed about this? Were you expecting anything else? It's MTV, for christ's sake. your right. the average age for people voting for this were people who are 13-18. most of those people probably don't even know half the bands the were available for the voting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheFranchise 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2003 Fuck Nirvana. Although the sheer scope of their overratedness is growing to staggering heights. That's a kind of interesting, I guess. Seconded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Baron 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2003 Why are people getting so pissed about this? Were you expecting anything else? It's MTV, for christ's sake. your right. the average age for people voting for this were people who are 13-18. most of those people probably don't even know half the bands the were available for the voting. HEY!~ I resent that statement. I know bands that TRL Junkies never even heard of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Henry Spencer 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2003 And if this is supposed to be an MTV list, why the fuck is Pearl Jam on there? Didn't they get all huffy and refuse to make another video ever again after Jeremy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted September 14, 2003 Why would Pearl Jam having a problem with MTV affect MTV including them on the list? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Henry Spencer 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2003 If this is supposed to be MTV bands, why would a band who never makes videos be on it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted September 14, 2003 Because they were big on MTV at one time? Besides not all of those bands are "MTV bands". I have no clue what criteria they used in making this list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted September 14, 2003 Ashton Kutcher's Trucker hat and a Rambler drawing Random names... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Blas Report post Posted September 15, 2003 Not one of those bands would make it on a top 50 list for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EQ Report post Posted September 15, 2003 Metal-Sludge did a nice little rant about this list if you're interested. I've never heard of Metal-Sludge before, and after reading that, I'm glad for that. This guy was pretty annoying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted September 19, 2003 Well, let's face it. Tool hasn't ever really been a huge MTV band. Their videos are too bizarre to get huge play, heh. Why are the Offspring not on this list and yet Green Day is? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted September 20, 2003 I'm surprised Mtv fans even knew Phish. I was surprised with the list actually. For a list voted on by Mtv viewers it was better than I thought it would be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JangoFett4Hire 0 Report post Posted September 20, 2003 I love it when people say a band, like say Phish for example sucks. I bet anyone that says Phish sucks couldn't even name 3 or 4 songs. Or Radiohead. And to say that hollow 80's hairbands are superior ot Phish and/or Radiohead really compromises their own credibility. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Wildbomb 4:20 Report post Posted September 21, 2003 Fuck Nirvana. Although the sheer scope of their overratedness is growing to staggering heights. That's a kind of interesting, I guess. Seconded. Ah, Nirvana bashing I've always been a fan, and so they are deserving of the list. Are they deserving of being that high on the list? Doubtful. Honestly, I'm surprised to see them at the top of the list. Surprising that many 13-17 year-olds know who Nirvana is. I just get bullshit at people being "big fans" of Nirvana that had no fucking clue Nirvana existed while Cobain was alive. I feel Tool got snubbed on this list, although I listen to more of A Perfect Circle than I do Tool. No Rage? What the FUCK? Hell, even Rage could have become known as an MTV band in 1998-2000, with the videos for Guerrila Radio and Sleep Now By The Fire always on TRL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mole 0 Report post Posted September 22, 2003 Who the fuck are Phish??? They always seem to get mentioned here (whether it's for fiddling with 9 year olds or not). Is this the American MTV era??? Because Phish have never had a video or any press whatsoever in England. Phish is a stoner band that plays long drawn-out crappy jams, while people stand in fields doing drugs and calling the music "genius." Think Grateful Dead but worse. Phish had one video, Down with Disease. Long drawn out jams? Do you not appreciate good music or something? There music tells a story, and they don't need lyrics all the time for people with short attention spans. I don't do drugs, nor do I smoke pot anymore, and I love Phish. They are one of the most talented bands around right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HungryJack Report post Posted September 22, 2003 Phish is fucking horrible...I hope Trey Anastasio dies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mole 0 Report post Posted September 22, 2003 And who do you like Jack? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Decemberists 0 Report post Posted September 22, 2003 Nirvana were shit. Seriously. In Utero is ok at best, most people don't even know Bleach exists (if i had a pound for everytime I heard someone say Nevermind was the best ever debut album...) and Nevermind could've been written by anyone with a couple of power chords. The funniest thing I've read though was in a mate's copy of about a year or so ago Kerrang (i think it was that. it might even have been on a VH1 doc) when they said how Nirvana changed the world by " having quiet bits, and then loud bits all in the same song" WTF!?!?!?!!?!? Surely even Kerrang readers know that that isn't exactly revolutionary? Fuck 'em Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted September 22, 2003 I love it when people say a band, like say Phish for example sucks. I bet anyone that says Phish sucks couldn't even name 3 or 4 songs You Enjoy Myself Free ..fuck..I can't differentiate another song from the rest of the meandering jamming...must remember...song..title..from..hippy..college..friends!..shit Pebbles and Marbles. I am Hydrogen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted September 22, 2003 Long drawn out jams? Do you not appreciate good music or something? There music tells a story, and they don't need lyrics all the time for people with short attention spans. Let's examine these stories. You Enjoy Myself: Boy Man God Shit Boy man Boy man Wash uffitze drive me to firenze Bathtub Gin: Brett is in the bathtub making soup for the ambassadors and I am in the hallway singing to the troubadours The kings are all lined up outside the gate and the autumn bells are ringing but they'll just have to wait Where is the joker? Have you seen him around with his three coned cap that he wears like a crown Have you seen his stripped stockings and heard his sad tale about the kids under the carpet and the purple humpbacked whales Here come the ambassadors they show up one by one Brett is tasting all the soup to see if it is done Wendy's on the windowsill waiting to be let in and we're all in the bathtub now making bathtub gin The kings storm the hallway they've climbed up through the gate they didn't mean to be impolite but they just couldn't wait Here comes the joker with his silly grin he carries a martini made of bathtub gin Here comes the joker we all must laugh cause we're all in this together and we love to take a bath That's what feels like about 2 hours of your life that you'll never get back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nl5xsk1 0 Report post Posted September 22, 2003 AoO, I'm unsure if you picked Bathtub Gin and YEM at random, or if you picked them for a certain reason, but both of those songs are both known for their musical content and not their lyrical content. Both of those songs are old (both were written in the 80s and early 90s) and were written at a time when the non-sensical lyrics were part of the show. Most of their newer songs focus on lyrics and thus would puncture holes in your theory. Are the lyrics in YEM asinine? Yes, but the fans at the shows don't listen to an epic 20+ minute song for the 2 minutes with lyrics ... the lyrics are just a small part of the song itself. And the cynic in me wonders how deep and insightful the lyrics are in a Agoraphobic Nosebleed song, or a Dying Fetus song. Different strokes for different folks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted September 22, 2003 (edited) Agoraphobic Nosebleed is noisy grind, but Dying Fetus' lyrics are actually quite excellent. I picked Bathrub Gin at random because it sounded dumb and I vaguely remember it, but YEM was a definite target, as I heard that neverending fucking thing day in and day out through my brief college career. I hear ya Trey...still playing...still jamming....yep..still there. ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. I don't mind the guy outside of Phish, though. He's a decent guitarist, I just think he totally wastes his talent picking around those eternal hippy jams. A bit of Dying Fetus.. What the fuck is left to try, on an avaricious nation on an economic high? If Rome could last 500 years, who then will throw the wrench inside our gears? The bottom line is money on the Western power scene, where celebrities and porn can let the population dream. They're pathetic humans living in an advertising glut, who devour with a passion what the mainstream vomits up GASP, it's not about hacking someone up! Certainly not something many people are going to like very much, due to the delivery (which is a perfect death growl), But the political and economic complaints they use as influence are generally pretty founded, if open ended. They're incredibly pessimistic and caustic, but are actually pretty easy to relate to, unless you're of the die-hard religious conservative persuasion...or moderately religious conservative. Edited September 22, 2003 by Agent of Oblivion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Harry Hood Report post Posted September 22, 2003 I mean i do hate it when people dis Phish, but from what I gathered from most peoples tastes here, I realize that they're not the biggest fans of jam music. And that's ok. So why do some people have to give Phish fans a bad name, looking your way Mole, and get all defensive. I agree with your message, just not with the way you present it. but for lyrical content in PHish songs, go to the Gamehendge saga, good stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted September 22, 2003 Jam bands can be done well, I think. Too often, though, I think they get homogenized with their audience, thus rendering acts like Phish and String Cheese into "Wannabe Grateful Dead." Frank Zappa's the best example I can think of when it comes to jam-oriented stuff. Anastasio borrows a LOT from Zappa. Particularly his taste for the absurd, only he fails to make it ugly like FZ did, opting for more of a Dead outlook. The end result is wandering silliness covered up by solid musicianship, which some find charming and I find intensely irritating. It really takes a keen ability to use understatement and hyperbole, choice of material, and timing. Zappa had all these things in spades, could jam with the best of them, ventured into different genres, and never acquired that "Boring hippy drug music" stigma that plagues the rest of the genre. The Mothers of Invention were so far beyond the Grateful Dead in terms of Jam bands. As far as newer stuff goes, everyone but Neil Fallon from Clutch formed a jam group called (I think) The Bakerton Group, or Bakerton Trio..something like that. What little I've heard is good. Definitely jam-oriented, but isn't afraid to get a little gritty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B. Brian Brunzell 0 Report post Posted September 23, 2003 As far as newer stuff goes, everyone but Neil Fallon from Clutch formed a jam group called (I think) The Bakerton Group, or Bakerton Trio..something like that. What little I've heard is good. Definitely jam-oriented, but isn't afraid to get a little gritty. Of course they get gritty. It's the boys from Clutch. I haven't heard their jam band, but from what I've heard ABOUT them, I need a listen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
