The One and Only Angel Season 5 Thread

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I get them off of Buffy.nu but I can't tie up my phoneline all day. I usually get the ep by Friday or Saturday, but by then the new episode talk has been on for 2 or 3 days, and by then everything I'd say has been said

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

It took me a few weeks to DL Hole in the World, but I got it. Of course, I have to DL it at school because its a fast(er) connection.

 

RRR: One minute left before Smile Time is done

[Mole 0]

I get them off of Buffy.nu but I can't tie up my phoneline all day. I usually get the ep by Friday or Saturday, but by then the new episode talk has been on for 2 or 3 days, and by then everything I'd say has been said

I am not used to that because at my Pop's house, he has a seperate line for the computer. So if I need to download something, I can just leave the computer on all of the time.

 

I try to tell him that if we get a cable modem, it would be the same price we pay for the phone line and AOL, but he won't listen.

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Okay, I didn't want to be the one that brought it up, but...

 

The show is ending...this is a Joss Whedon show...put that together and you get some main character(or characters) are going to bite the big one in the finally.

 

The question is, who?

 

My bets are on Wesley and Angel. I see Angel Shanshuing(thus letting us know that he has reached redemption) some big battle coming up and still wanting to fight the fight because he is a champion and dieing.

 

And Wes. Well..just because. He is the most deeply developed character on the show, and it would be a great end to his story.

 

Gunn, Lorne and Spike are the iffer's here....although Lorne is pretty damn likely.

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Well they've already killed off two characters this year in Cordy and Fred.

 

However, Joss being Joss...

 

Gunn is almost too likely. Kinda like Smithers when the "Who shot Mr. Burns" thing was going on.

 

I don't think Spike will do it again.

 

Lorne is the Anya of the group - the worldly outsider who's-not-so-outside, so that is a bigger possibility than when I first read it.

[Mole 0]

Either Wes or Gunn, more money on Wes because I can see him dieing saving someone's life.

[Jingus 0]

Actually, I'd be kinda surprised if there were any rampant dying this time around. Like RRR said, they've already bumped off Cordy and Fred, which is a pretty damn large rate of main character deaths for one season.

 

Also, another question is, exactly when did they find out that the show was cancelled as they were shooting the episodes? If they found out just as they were shooting the next-to-last ep or so, then I wouldn't expect a whole helluva lot from the series finale. Oh, it'll be decent, all the season finales are, but I'm kinda expecting a giant thrown-together mess like Chosen was. Not bad, but one that could've been so much better, ya know?

 

(And on the original topic: I wouldn't be surprised if Ilyria didn't survive the end intact.)

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I don't really consider Fred to be killed off. I mean, her character is. But it's not as "apparent" given that Amy Acker is still on the show, just in a different role.

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I think I'll play a cruel game...

 

Episode 5X17 Summary "Underneath":

 

Angel 5x17 Underneath - Summary

From Mythical-boards.com - By Pandora - 2004-02-21st

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When Angel tells Spike that he wishes he had someone who could tell him what the Senior Partners are up to these days, Spike says he knows just such a person. A bit later they arrive at Lindsey’s apartment, where Eve is still hiding. Angel threatens to tell the Senior Partners where Eve is if she doesn’t help them, but before he can do so, the walls begin to shake and Eve, trembling, begs Angel to save her. A moment later a well-dressed man named Hamilton enters, but the room is empty. Angel, Spike, and Eve return to Angel’s office, where Angel tells Harmony to lock down the building. Then Angel visits Gunn, who’s still in the hospital wing, and learns he can take custody of a wayward employee, which should help him protect Eve from the Senior Partners. Angel thanks Gunn, but warns him that no matter how guilty he feels for his role in Fred’s death, he can’t hide in the hospital forever. Meanwhile, at Fred’s apartment, Wesley dreams about Fred, but when he wakes it’s Illyria watching him from Fred’s body. Illyria comments on Wes’ nightmare, saying that if this world is so disappointing, he should leave. Back at Wolfram and Hart, Angel tells Eve he can protect her, but demands that in return, she tell him all she knows about the Senior Partners. She says she knows nothing Angel doesn’t already know. She does say, though, that Lindsey knew much more than she, which is why the Senior Partners snatched him away. Also, although Angel assumed Lindsey was dead, Eve says he’s probably locked in some sort of hell dimension. Then we see Lindsey (wearing a distinctive necklace) waking up, kissing his beautiful wife, and cuddling his adorable 9-year-old son in a perfect suburban utopia.

 

A bit later Lindsey steps out of his perfect house, picks up his perfectly centered newspaper, waves to the perfect postman, and goes back inside. At Wolfram and Hart, Spike and Angel try to figure out which hell Lindsey’s in, but then Gunn enters and says he knows where Lindsey is. Meanwhile, in suburbia, as Lindsey helps his son Zach with his science homework, Lindsey’s wife Trish asks Lindsey to get a light bulb from a shelf in the basement, which makes Lindsey very nervous. At the same time Gunn directs Angel and Spike to a special Wolfram and Hart car that drives them through a long tunnel to the perfect suburban neighborhood. At Fred’s apartment, Wesley turns Illyria’s suggestion around, saying that if she’s not happy here, then perhaps she should leave. Illyria gets mad, but then breaks down, saying the walls are closing in on her and she can’t breathe. Back in suburbia, the Wolfram and Hart car arrives at Lindsey’s house. Angel, Spike, and Gunn go in, but Lindsey doesn’t recognize them, and says he’s never heard of Wolfram and Hart. Meanwhile, back at Angel’s office, Harmony assures Eve that nothing can happen to her... but then sirens blare, announcing an intruder. Hamilton punches out a guard in the lobby, and as he approaches Angel’s office, Eve, Lorne, and Harmony scream. Back in suburbia Angel snatches off Lindsey’s necklace. The spell he was under ends, and he finally recognizes Angel. Then Trish enters with an Uzi and starts shooting.

 

While Angel fights Trish, the others run outside, but their magic car has vanished. As Zach enters with another Uzi, Gunn says the only way out is through something called the Wrath. He asks Lindsey what’s behind the cellar door, and when Lindsey reacts fearfully, they realize they’ve chosen correctly. Back at Wolfram and Hart, Eve, Lorne, and Harmony flee to the elevator. Hamilton chases them, but the doors close just in time. In Lindsey’s basement Angel, Spike, and Gunn are shocked to find a fully outfitted torture chamber, including a pile of bloody human hearts that have been brutally cut from their owners. There’s also a large furnace where an intense fire - the Wrath - flares. Before they can figure out how to open it, however, a massive medieval demon, outfitted as an executioner, appears. Angel and Spike grab weapons and start to fight the demon, but then Gunn steps back and dons the necklace Lindsey used to wear. As he does, the demon senses him and stops fighting. Angel realizes what’s happening, and Gunn explains that if someone is freed from this torture dimension, another person must remain behind. Angel realizes that Gunn planned this as his own penance from the beginning, but Gunn is already starting to fade away, and there’s nothing they can do. As the demon starts to fade, too, Angel, Gunn, and Lindsey walk into the Wrath’s flames while Trish calls down to Gunn, who suddenly can’t remember why he’s in the basement. A moment later, as Lorne, Eve, and Harmony flee through the Wolfram and Hart garage, Angel, Spike, and Lindsey, still flaming a bit, hit the hood of their car. Lorne and Eve jump out to help them, but then Hamilton arrives.

 

Eve cringes, but as Hamilton approaches, instead of a weapon, he whips out a contract and instructs her to sign it. Finally, resigned, she does, and Hamilton explains that Eve has been fired by the Senior Partners, and he is taking her place as Angel’s new liaison. He tells Angel he’s looking forward to working with him, welcomes Spike to the team, and leaves. Back at Fred’s apartment Wesley and Illyria stand on the balcony, looking out at the city. She’s calmer now, and says she can breathe again and doesn’t feel quite so trapped here. Wes realizes finally that she really can’t leave, and she marvels at how Wesley can stand to live here, shut inside tiny rooms all the time... but he says it’s not the rooms that make it hard. Finally, at Wolfram and Hart, Angel asks Lindsey about the Senior Partners and Lindsey says Angel already knows what he knows: the world’s a bad place. Angel insists he’s done a lot of good since coming to Wolfram and Hart, but Lindsey says hell and the apocalypse are going on right here, right now. Angel doesn’t believe him, but Lindsey points out all the compromises Angel’s been forced to make lately, and gradually Angel realizes that everything he’s been doing in the past few months has been just a distraction to keep him busy so he won’t notice the real evil... which must have been the Senior Partners’ plan all along. As the horror of this sinks in, we see Gunn sitting with Zach at the kitchen table, going through the same science lesson Lindsey was helping him with earlier. Then Trish asks Gunn to go down to the basement to fetch a new light bulb.

 

Episode 5X18 "Origin"

 

Angel 5x18 Origin - Summary

From Mythical-boards.com - By Pandora - 2004-03-20th

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Episode 18 | ORIGIN

 

When a warlock brings Connor back into Angel’s life, Wesley finds out that Angel has tinkered with the memories of his friends.

 

After Angel discourages Wes from brooding over Fred’s death, Wes meets with two people, Laurence and Colleen, who want to understand how their son miraculously survived being hit by a speeding van. Wes calls Angel in, and as Angel approaches, Wes sees Connor into the lobby. When Connor addresses Laurence as “Dad,” Angel realizes who they are and says he can’t help. Wes, who has no recollection of Connor, tries to change Angel’s mind, but Angel refuses. Meanwhile, in the suburban basement, the medieval torture demon cuts Gunn’s heart out, then hands him the light bulb he came downstairs looking for. A bit later Spike studies with Illyria in Wolfram and Hart’s new training dojo, and as he takes one beating after another from her, Wes enters and says he just doesn’t understand Angel. At the same time Angel visits Hamilton, the new liaison to the Senior Partners, and demands to know why Connor has returned. Hamilton says the Partners had nothing to do with it, but someone is apparently trying to send Angel a message. Later that night, as Connor and his parents pull into a motel, a demon crashes through their windshield. Instinctively Connor fights it off, and when a second demon tackles him, Angel appears and kills it with a sword... which Connor deems “awesome.”

 

Colleen sees Laurence is bleeding, so Angel offers to take him to the doctors at Wolfram and Hart... and tells Connor there are things they should talk about. Later, after Laurence checks into the medical wing, Angel assures Connor that he’s a normal kid with some “enhanced abilities,” but then reveals his own vampire status and explains that he and the rest of the firm are dedicated to fighting evil. Just then Spike - thrown by Illyria - comes crashing through a door, so Angel introduces Connor to Spike, Illyria, and Lorne. Connor says the firm is “way better than college,” and Angel is thrilled to learn Connor now attends Stanford University. Later Wesley shows Angel a photo of the Kith’harn demons that attacked Connor and his parents. Wes says the demons are henchmen of a warlock named Cyvus Vail, and later Angel walks into Vail’s office. Vail tells Angel that he wasn’t trying to kill Connor: he was just testing the boy’s capabilities. Angel asks how Vail even knows about Connor, and Vail says, “I built him.” Back at Wolfram and Hart, Wesley and Lorne find a record of a large payment from Wolfram and Hart to Vail - for some sort of memory, mind control, and/or temporal spell - on the day they took over the firm. Meanwhile, after Vail explains how he created childhood memories for Connor, Angel asks what he wants, and Vail says he needs the demon Sahjhan killed. Angel reminds him Sahjhan is locked away in an urn, but Vail says urns can break, and he needs a final solution. Then he produces a glowing glass box called an Orlon Window, which shows scenes of the past as it really was... and which, if broken, would restore Connor’s (and Angel’s friends’) memories. Understanding the blackmail, Angel agrees to kill Sahjhan, but Vail says there’s only one person who can do it: Connor.

 

Later, back at Wolfram and Hart, Angel tells Connor what Vail wants him to do. Connor is skeptical, but realizes Vail won’t leave his family alone unless he complies, so he agrees. Meanwhile, as the medieval demon tortures Gunn again, Hamilton interrupts and pulls off the necklace that keeps Gunn there. He offers Gunn a chance to return to his normal life, but Gunn just asks for his necklace back, and Hamilton obliges. Back at Wolfram and Hart, while Angel gives Connor advice on fighting Sahjhan, Wes searches for clues about the reality shift Vail provided, and Illyria, who can see glimmers of Fred’s memories, confirms they were altered. Then Wes finds an authorization form signed by Angel, and begins to suspect what happened. A bit later Angel and Connor arrive at Vail’s palace, and Vail points Connor to a chamber where Sahjhan is waiting. Connor enters, and the door immediately disappears, cutting him off from Angel and Vail (who can still see Connor, even though he can’t see them). Connor opens Sahjhan’s urn, and Sahjhan oozes out and takes shape. As he thanks Connor for releasing him, Connor tells him they’re supposed to fight, and Sahjhan realizes who Connor is. They circle each other, and Sahjhan eventually smacks Connor in the face. Angel tries to rush in, but is knocked back by a force field. Angel orders Vail to open it, but Vail points to the Orlon Window, which could still be broken if Angel doesn’t behave. Inside, Connor and Sahjhan trade blows, and as Connor gets the worst of it, Angel looks at Vail again, but this time sees him frozen in time while Wesley stands there with Illyria (who has frozen Vail) and the Orlon Window. Wes accuses Angel of selling out his friends to Wolfram and Hart, and Angel lunges at the Orlon Window, but Illyria throws him across the room. Finally, as Connor continues to fight Sahjhan inside, Angel admits to Wes that Connor’s his son. Wes accuses Angel of trading Connor’s life for Fred’s, and asks if breaking the Orlon Window would undo the spell. Angel says it can’t bring Fred back, but Wesley no longer trusts him. Wesley smashes the window, setting off a huge, blinding explosion.

 

As a rapid montage of scenes from Wes and Connor’s lives flashes by, Angel realizes that Connor must be affected too. At that very moment something clicks in Connor, and he immediately takes charge of the fight with Sahjhan, finally killing him with an axe. As Sahjhan dies, the door re-opens, and Angel enters. To his surprise, Connor is merely in awe of what he’s just done, and is still ignorant of his connection to Angel. The next day, back at Wolfram and Hart, Wesley tells Illyria what he now remembers about betraying Angel and stealing his son. Illyria notes that the alternate set of memories still exists in their heads, and Wes suggests they might help them endure the truth, not forget it. In Angel’s office, Connor says his dad is being released from the hospital wing, and when Angel asks what Connor’s going to tell his parents about the previous night, Connor says he’ll tell them that Angel is looking out for him. Angel reminds him that Vail is still at large, but Connor says he has to go back to his own life so he can protect his family... which is something he learned from his father. Then he heads for the elevator, but before he gets on, he and Angel lock eyes one last time.

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From Buffy.nu

 

Gellar won’t appear in ’Angel’ finale

 

RADNOR, Pa. -- Sarah Michelle Gellar won’t appear in the series finale of "Angel," the spinoff of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" in which she played the title role.

 

Joss Whedon, the show’s executive producer, told TV Guide for its online edition that he didn’t invite Gellar to appear in the final episode because he didn’t want it to "revolve around a guest star."

 

"I want to end the show with the people who’ve been in the trenches together, the characters who have lived -- and occasionally died -- together, the regulars," Whedon said.

 

He said he invited Gellar to appear in the second-to-last episode, but she wasn’t available because she was in Tokyo working on the horror film "The Grudge" when the show was being shot.

[Anakin Flair 0]

and here is a contradiction

 

xxxxxx returning to ANGEL ?? - Spoilers

From Fangoria.com - 2004-03-23rd

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

March 23: Actresses returning to ANGEL

 

Moviehole, quoting a Joss Whedon interview in TV Guide, reports that several past BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER and ANGEL actresses will be appearing on the latter show before it winds down its last season on the WB. Julie Benz will be back as Darla, Angel’s lover and the mother of his son Connor, and Juliet Landau returns as Drusilla, both presumably in flashback sequences (though in ANGEL’s world, you never know). In addition, Michelle Trachtenberg will appear, reprising her role of Buffy’s sister Dawn, and there’s a chance Buffy herself, Sarah Michelle Gellar, will make an appearance. "If she’s available, she’ll do it," Gellar’s manager says.

 

So does that mean some resolution of the war for Buffy’s affections between Angel (David Boreanaz) and Spike (James Marsters)? "The question of Angel vs. Spike looms large in Buffy’s mind and in the minds of fans," says Whedon. "But I’m not saying whether or not I have decided to answer it...Angel and Spike will ultimately feel some kind of resolve about their conflict over Buffy, [but] it won’t be all about that."

 

"The whole point of ANGEL is the idea of the fight and how it never stops," Whedon continues. "The finale was always meant to be open-ended in some respect. That doesn’t mean I won’t kill everybody, but I might not [explain] why."

[Mole 0]

The second article your posted came out before the first one you posted.

 

And if the love triangle between Buffy/Spike/Angel is to be resolved in the second to last episode, then I believe Angel will "win." And here is why.

 

This is what Spike said in "Lover's Walk:"

 

Spike: (faces them) You're *not* friends. You'll never be friends.

You'll be in love till it kills you both. You'll fight, and you'll shag,

and you'll hate each other till it makes you quiver, but you'll never be

friends. (points at his temple) Love isn't brains, children, it's

blood... (clasps his chest) blood screaming inside you to work its will.

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This is the WB Description for "Underneath":

 

ANGEL FOLLOWS LINDSAY INTO A STEPFORD WIVES-LIKE SUBURBAN HELL - Hoping that Lindsay (guest star Christian Kane) has information on the Senior Partners’ ultimate plans, Angel (David Boreanaz), Spike (James Marsters) and Gunn (J. August Richards) track him down in a bizarre and terrifying suburban hell. Meanwhile, a nearly invincible stranger (guest star Adam Baldwin, "Firefly") sent by the Senior Partners, infiltrates Wolfram & Hart looking for Eve (Sarah Thompson). Alexis Denisof, Amy Acker and Andy Hallett also star.

 

Skip Schoolnik directed the episode written by Sarah Fain & Elizabeth Craft.

[Mole 0]

Here is a backstage photo from "Smile Time."

 

Click Here

 

I would post the photo, but Buffy.nu doesn't allow their photos to be posted on other sites for some reason.

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Now that Angel's cancelation seems all too final, what spinoff would you like to see? And please, don't have 100 people say "Ripper".

 

I'd like to see something set in europe. possibly with a brand new character.

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Speaking of Ripper, the episode from Buffy Season 3 where all the adults become children was on tonight. Shit, that is one awesome episode. I haven't seen it before, so I was marking when Joyce and Ripper were fucking out.

 

So I guess my "Reconstructing Xander" spin-off was ignored from the Buffy Season 7 thread .. it had a song and everything ...

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Now that Angel's cancelation seems all too final, what spinoff would you like to see? And please, don't have 100 people say "Ripper".

 

I'd like to see something set in europe. possibly with a brand new character.

Andrew!

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Fuck Andrew. I don't get all of the love that guy gets. He tries to be the new Xander, but Xander was way cooler than Andrew will ever be.

 

A European Slayer spin-off would be nice. OR something along the lines of Watchers (that virtual series I pointed out a few months ago). Show the council being rebuilt, new watchers and slayers being trained, and the like.

 

And it's been confirmed- no Buffy on Angel. While it sucks, it does make sense- as Joss has said, he doesn't want the last episode to revolve around a guest star.

[Mole 0]

Yes, someone else agrees with me that Andrew wasn't that great. I mean, he was funny sometimes, but I just didn't get into him that much.

 

Like Naitch said, they were trying to make a new Xander. Which made sense and all because Xander did mature the most. They can't have him be a clown the whole time.

 

And I about the whole Buffy thing not being on Angel; I am glad she isn't. This is the conversation me and my sister had about it:

 

Danielle: You know Sarah Jessica....Sarah....what is it?

 

Me: Sarah Michelle Gellar

 

Danielle: Yeah. Well, you know she won't be on Angel, right?

 

Me: Yeah.

 

Danielle: Doesn't that piss you off? Wasn't Buffy and Angel in love or somethin?

 

Me: No, because it wouldn't make any sense for her to be there. Buffy and Angel are two different shows, and Angel is about redemption. Angel will always fight, and the fight will never end. The show is some meaning behind their love, because if Angel never fell in love Buffy then he would never have gone to LA and this whole thing would have never...ahh nevermind, I could go on for hours and the Sopranos is on in 10 minutes so I have to go.

 

Basically, I don't care. Atleast SMG attempted to go on the show, which makes my hatered for her a little less now.

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Basically, I don't care. Atleast SMG attempted to go on the show, which makes my hatered for her a little less now.

She did? I thought Joss just said he didn't invite her.

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Here is a backstage photo from "Smile Time."

 

Click Here

 

I would post the photo, but Buffy.nu doesn't allow their photos to be posted on other sites for some reason.

It's called bandwidth, and excessive use of it [caused by people posting hosted images] can have your host charging you fees out your ass.

[Mole 0]

Basically, I don't care. Atleast SMG attempted to go on the show, which makes my hatered for her a little less now.

She did? I thought Joss just said he didn't invite her.

She was invited to appear in episode 21, but she was in Japan shooting "The Grudge." She was unable to appear in the episode and this is from one of the articles prooving she was going to appear if her schedule premited it:

 

at the point when they learned Gellar was free to participate in Angel’s last hurrah

 

But yes, Joss didn't invite her for the series finale. From one of the half dozen articles about SMG not showing up on Angel, here is what Joss said:

 

Executive producer Joss Whedon didn’t want Angel’s send-off to "revolve around a guest star," he says simply. "We will deal with the issue of Buffy and how much she means to Angel and Spike, but I want to end the show with the people who’ve been in the trenches together, the characters who have lived - and occasionally died - together... the regulars."

 

And from Jeffery Bell, one of the show's writers:

 

Whedon’s Angel partner, Jeffrey Bell, adds that the idea of building the finale around the long-running Angel/Buffy/Spike love triangle "seemed to undermine the bigger picture. [so Gellar was left off the roster] in the same way that David Boreanaz wasn’t involved in the series finale of Buffy." (Boreanaz did, however, appear in Buffy’s penultimate episode.)

 

"We had already written and shot the episode [for which we originally wanted her] which emotionally dealt with [the romantic rivalry]," Bell says. "So, to go [back] and force her into the very last episode to retread stuff that we already dealt with didn’t make any sense.

 

"By the time it became a possibility," he goes on, "the ship had sort of sailed."

 

So, yeah. SMG wanted to be on the show, which is why I don't hate her as much anymore.

 

It's called bandwidth, and excessive use of it [caused by people posting hosted images] can have your host charging you fees out your ass.

Ohh okay, that makes sense, thanks.

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why do you hate SMG?

[Mole 0]

Wellllllllllllllllll....

 

She doesn't appreciate her fans at all. When was the last time she was on a Buffy DVD? Never. Did she ever use her voice for any of the Buffy games? Nope. When was the last time she was at a Buffy convention? Not any time recently.

 

She doesn't appreciate the fact that BTVS made her career.

[chaosrage 0]

Maybe she's just really busy...

[Mole 0]

Nope, sorry, she can have SOME time to do SOMETHING for BTVS in anyway.

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Well, when a person is trying to move away from something they've been associated with for seven years, trying to make a career outside that one thing, the last thing they want to do is to be going to conventions and the like. It's about growing. She was Buffy for seven years, now she wants to do something else, and she doesn't want to continue to have to talk about the past when she's trying to move forward with her career.

 

It has nothing to do with disrespect for her fans or the time spent on the show, but just her trying to get beyond that. That's how I look at it.

[Mole 0]

Bah, I see what you are saying. However, there is a difference from moving away from your past and ignoring your fans.

 

So, would it be a big deal if she did a commentary or two for the DVD sets? The only people who would really know about her doing that would be Buffy fans, not everyone else.

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Well, none of the other cast members did commentaries. Not until the ones that aren't out yet. And I don't think I've heard of Alyson going to conventions and the like. (Maybe she has, but I don't recall.) So, do you feel the same about her as Sarah?

 

I don't know. I think it would be nice if Sarah and other cast members did commentaries, especially for the seventh season, but if they don't, I'm not going to begrudge them for that. Some people just hate doing them.

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How about the fact that the rest of the cast had to read about SMG deciding not to return to Buffy after season 7 instead of telling them herself...I'm not one to rush to judge but that's pretty screwed up to do, especially when you've been working closely to people for seven years.