The One and Only Angel Season 5 Thread

[Mole 0]

Since I am shot from working my ass off these past two days, I am staying home tonight. But to make sure I am an extra geek, I'm going to grade every single Buffy episode and grade the monster from that episode too.

 

Remember, I might be off about a few of these episodes because how good they were/are is from old memories. I only saw some of these episodes once or twice and a long time ago at that. I'll average up each season and rank them below.

 

This is what each letter grade equals to number grades.

 

A+: 100

A: 95

A-: 92

B+: 88

B: 85

B-: 82

C+: 78

C: 75

C-: 72

D+: 68

D: 65

D-: 62

F: 55

 

Season 1

1. "Welcome to the Hellmouth" - Ep: A, Mon: A

2. "Harvest" - Ep: A, Mon: A

3. "The Witch" - Ep: B+, Mon: B+

4. "Teacher's Pet" - Ep: C, Mon: D

5. "Never Kill a Boy on a First Date" - Ep: B-, Mon: B

6. "The Pack" - Ep: B-, Mon: C+

7. "Angel" - Ep: A, Mon: A

8. "I, Robot -- You Jane" - Ep: F, Mon: F

9. "The Puppet Show" - Ep: B-, Mon: B-

10. "Nightmares" - Ep: B+, Mon: B

11. "Out of Mind, Out of Sight" - Ep: B, Mon: B

12. "Prophecy Girl" - Ep: A, Mon: A

 

Season 1 Average Grade: B+ (84.8)

I changed a few grades from my orginal grading because I was being too generous with a few of the episodes. "I, Robot -- You Jane" gets an F because the whole idea is SO STUPID. A demon that is stuck in a book, gets scanned into the computer and stalks Willow? Huh? He leaves the computer and becomes a robot? I didn't know a demon who was from 1418 knew how to use a computer like that. He is one smart demon...No wonder Thomas A. Swyden hasn't wrote anything since 97 and Ashley Gable hasn't wrote anything since 2001.

 

Season 2

13. "When She Was Bad" - Ep: B, Mon: B-

14. "Some Assembly Required" - Ep: B-, Mon: B-

15. "School Hard" - Ep: B+, Mon: A

16. "Inca Mummy Girl" - Ep: C-, Mon: D

17. "Reptile Boy" - Ep: D, Mon: D-

18. "Halloween" - Ep: B+, Mon: B+

19. "Lie to Me" - Ep: C+, Mon: B-

20. "The Dark Age" - Ep: B+, Mon: B+

21. "What's My Line Pt 1" - Ep: A-, Mon: B+

22. "What's My Line Pt 2" - Ep: A, Mon: A

23. "Ted" - Ep: B-, Mon: B+

24. "Bad Eggs" - Ep: C, Mon: C-

25. "Surprise" - Ep: A, Mon: A

26. "Innocence" - Ep: A, Mon: A+

27. "Phases" - Ep: B+, Mon: B+

28. "Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered" - Ep: B+, Mon: B+

29. "Passion" - Ep: A+, Mon: A+

30. "Killed by Death" - Ep: C+, Mon:C+

31. "I Only Have Eyes For You" - Ep: B, Mon: B

32. "Go Fish" - Ep: D+, Mon: D

33. "Becoming Pt 1" - Ep: A, Mon: A+

34. "Becoming Pt 2" - Ep: A, Mon: A+

 

Season 2 Average Episode Grade: B+ (85.3)

There were a lot of monster of the week episodes that held the season down. But the Angelus storyline was soooooo damn good, plus we had Spike and Dru. "Passion" gets a A+ because, well, it ruled and everyone agrees with that one.

 

Season 3

35. "Anne" - Ep: C+, Mon: C

36. "Dead Man's Party" - Ep: C, Mon: C

37. "Faith, Hope and Tricks" - Ep: B+, Mon: B+

38. "Beauty and the Beasts" - Ep: B+, Mon: B

39. "Homecoming" - Ep: B, Mon: B

40. "Band Candy" - Ep: B, Mon: B+

41. "Revelations" - Ep: B, Mon: B

42. "Lover's Walk" - Ep: A, Mon: A

43. "The Wish" - Ep: A+, Mon: A+

44. "Amends" - Ep: A, Mon: A-

45. "Gingerbread" - Ep: C+, Mon: C

46. "Helpless" - Ep: C+, Mon: B-

47. "The Zeppo" - Ep: A, Mon: A-

48. "Bad Girls" - Ep: A-, Mon: A-

49. "Consequences" - Ep: B+, Mon: B+

50. "Doppelgängland" - Ep: A, Mon: A

51. "Enemies" - Ep: A, Mon: A

52. "Earshot" - Ep: B-, Mon: B-

53. "Choices" - Ep: B+, Mon: B

54. "The Prom" - Ep: B-, Mon: C

55. "Graduation Day Pt 1" - Ep: A-, Mon: A

56. "Graduation Day Pt 2" - Ep: B+, Mon: B+

 

Season 3 Average Episode Grade: B+ (87.6)

Wow, I thought this season would do better than it did. Even though "The Prom" had the infamous "Class Protector" speech, the episode itself was pretty weak, so that is why I gave it a B-. "Graduation Day Pt 2" only gets a B+ because the Mayor turning into a giant snake is just too damn corny.

 

Season 4

57. "The Freshman" - Ep: C+, Mon: C+

58. "Living Conditions" - Ep: C, Mon: C

59. "In the Harsh Light of Day" - Ep: B, Mon: B+

60. "Fear, Itself" - Ep: B+, Mon: B+

61. "Beer Bad" - Ep: F, Mon: F

62. "Wild at Heart" - Ep: B+, Mon: B+

63. "The Initiative" - Ep: A-, Mon: A-

64. "Pangs" - Ep: B-, Mon: C

65. "Something Blue" - Ep: B-, Mon: B+

66. "Hush" - Ep: A, Mon: A+

67. "Doomed" - Ep: B+, Mon: B

68. "A New Man" - Ep: B+, Mon: B+

69. "The I In Team" - Ep: B, Mon: B

70. "Goodbye Iowa" - Ep: C+, Mon: C+

71. "This Year's Girl" - Ep: A-, Mon: A

72. "Who Are You?" - Ep: A-, Mon: A

73. "Superstar" - Ep: B-, Mon: B

74. "Where the Wild Things Are" - Ep: C+, Mon: C+

75. "New Moon Rising" - Ep: B+, Mon: B+

76. "The Yoko Factor" - Ep: A-, Mon: A

77. "Primeval" - Ep: B+, Mon: A-

78. "Restless" - Ep: A, Mon: A+

 

Season 4 Average Episode Grade: B+ (84.8)

I am not a big fan of this season. "Hush" doesn't get an A+ because I have seen it SOOOO many times its grade gets lowered. Plus, it isn't as good as the other two A+ episodes so far: "Passion" and "The Wish." And I gave "Superstar" a B- because it never did anything for me. I am not a big fan of it, unlike most people who seem to like it a lot.

 

Season 5

79. "Buffy vs. Dracula" - Ep: B-, Mon: C+

80. "Real Me" - Ep: B-, Mon: B

81. "The Replacement" - Ep: B, Mon: B

82. "Out of My Mind" - Ep: B+, Mon: B+

83. "No Place Like Home" - Ep: B+, Mon: B

84. "Family" - Ep: A-, Mon: B+

85. "Fool For Love" - Ep: A+, Mon: A+

86. "Shadow" - Ep: B, Mon: B-

87. "Listening to Fear" - Ep: B+, Mon: B-

88. "Into the Woods" - Ep: B, Mon: B

89. "Triangle" - Ep: A-, Mon: A

90. "Checkpoint" - Ep: A, Mon: A-

91. "Blood Ties" - Ep: B+, Mon: B+

92. "Crush" - Ep: B+, Mon: A-

93. "I Was Made To Love You" - Ep: C+, Mon: C+

94. "The Body" - Ep: A, Mon: A+

95. "Forever" - Ep: B+, Mon: B+

96. "Intervention" - Ep: A, Mon: A

97. "Tough Love" - Ep: A-, Mon: A

98. "Spiral" - Ep: A, Mon: A

99. "The Weight of the World" - Ep: B+, Mon: A

100. "The Gift" - Ep: A+, Mon: A+

 

Season 5 Average Episode Grade: A- (89.5)

Of course this season gets a A- because it rules. The only episode to in the C range was a "I was Made To Love You," and it wasn't even that bad. I gave "Dracula vs. Buffy" a B- even though most people don't like it for two reasons: a) I like it. b) It set up the most of the season's themes, blood being life. "The Body" didn't get an A+ because the vampire ending was out of place. And if you couldn't tell, this is my favorite season.

 

Season 6

101. "Bargaining Pt 1" - Ep: A, Mon: A

102. "Bargaining Pt 2" - Ep: A, Mon: A

103. "After Life" - Ep: C+, Mon: C

104. "Flooded" - Ep: B, Mon: B

105. "Life Serial" - Ep: B, Mon: B+

106. "All the Way" - Ep: C+, Mon: B-

107. "Once More, With Feeling" - Ep: A+, Mon: A

108. "Tabula Rasa" - Ep: A, Mon: A

109. "Smashed" - Ep: B+, Mon: B+

110. "Wrecked" - Ep: A, Mon: A-

111. "Gone" - Ep: B-, Mon: B

112. "Doublemeat Palace" - Ep: F, Mon: F

113. "Dead Things" - Ep: B+, Mon: B

114. "Older and Far Away" - Ep: B+, Mon: B+

115. "As You Were" - Ep: B-, Mon: B-

116. "Hell's Bells" - Ep: A-, Mon: B+

117. "Normal Again" - Ep: B, Mon: B

118. "Entropy" - Ep: B, Mon: B

119. "Seeing Red" - Ep: B+, Mon: B+

120. "Villians" - Ep: A-, Mon: A

121. "Two To Go" - Ep: A, Mon: A

122. "Grave" - Ep: A, Mon: A

 

Season 6 Average Episode Grade: B+ (87.3)

This season gets tons of bad rap because it doesn't have a overall story arc like the past Buffy seasons. However, each episode is a stand alone which builds up to thw Willow turn (just like Angel Season 5). Plus it is a darker season, which I am a big fan of. Some people might think I gave "Bargaining Pt 1&2" a high grade, but I love those episodes. I am also a big fan of "Wrecked" since we get to see Willow like we have never seen her before.

 

Season 7

123. "Lessons" - Ep: C+, Mon: C+

124. "Beneath You" - Ep: B-, Mon: C+

125. "Same Time, Same Place" - Ep: B+, Mon: B+

126. "Help" - Ep: B+, Mon: B-

127. "Selfless" - Ep: C+, Mon: B-

128. "Him" - Ep: F, Mon: F

129. "Conversations With Dead People" - Ep: A+, Mon: A

130. "Sleeper" - Ep: B, Mon: B-

131. "Never Leave Me" - Ep: C+, Mon: B-

132. "Bring On the Night" - Ep: B-, Mon: B+

133. "Show Time" - Ep: B-, Mon: B+

134. "Potential" - Ep: B-, Mon: C+

135. "The Killer In Me" - Ep: C+, Mon: C

136. "First Date" - Ep: B, Mon: C+

137. "Get it Done" - Ep: B, Mon: B+

138. "Storyteller" - Ep: C, Mon: C

139. "Lies My Parents Told Me" - Ep: A-, Mon: B+

140. "Dirty Girls" - Ep: A-. Mon: A

141. "Empty Places" - Ep: B-, Mon: B+

142. "Touched" - Ep: C, Mon: B+

143. "End of Days" - Ep: B+, Mon: A-

144. "Chosen" - Ep: A, Mon: A

 

Season 7 Average Episode Grade: B- (82.9)

This season gets canned all the time because of the continuty of it. I used to defend it at first, but now that I think about it more and not be so damn stubborn, there are some problems. However, that is another discussion. I gave "Selfless" a C+ for two reasons: a) It didn't do anything for me. b) They said that Anya was always stupid, but we were always told that she is stupid because she was a demon for so long. "Him" got an F because I hate it and it is the worst episode ever. And "Storyteller" got a C because I don't like the episode. I thought it was silly and I am not a big fan of Andrew.

 

Top seasons according to AEG.

1. Season 5, A- (89.5)

2. Season 3, B+ (87.6)

3. Season 6, B+ (87.3)

4. Season 2, B+ (85.3)

5. Season 4, B+ (84.8) T

6. Season 1, B+ (84.8) T

7. Season 7, B- (82.9)

 

There were only 6 A+ episodes. (Probably most of you agree with those too)

1. "Passion" - Season 2

2. "The Wish" - Season 3

3. "Fool for Love" - Season 5

4. "The Gift" - Season 5

5. "Once More, With Feeling" - Season 6

6. "Conversations With Dead People" - Season 7

 

I could have messed up with the math, so if you want to check it knock yourself out. Plus I think I was too generous with a few episodes, but most of it is from memory and I just did 132 episodes in a row.

 

I can't believe I just did all of that, I am such a geek and I love it!

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Dude, your obsession with lists is getting out of hand.

 

Plus, "I was made to love you" smokes your ass.

[Ravenbomb 0]

phew, just about done with season 4 (Sacrifice just ended). How is season 5 (so far) compared to 4?

[Mole 0]

Dude, your obsession with lists is getting out of hand.

 

Plus, "I was made to love you" smokes your ass.

Compared to the rest of season 5? I think not.

[Guest JMA]

I changed a few grades from my orginal grading because I was being too generous with a few of the episodes. "I, Robot -- You Jane" gets an F because the whole idea is SO STUPID. A demon that is stuck in a book, gets scanned into the computer and stalks Willow? Huh? He leaves the computer and becomes a robot? I didn't know a demon who was from 1418 knew how to use a computer like that. He is one smart demon...

I can appreciate the fact that you put some effort into this list, but I still disagree with you. I think you have an overly negative view of season one. The Moloch concept is a simplistic one. Demon is scanned into computer, demon gains near infinite knowledge from it, demon seeks to have physical body and keep his omnipresent power. He knew how to use computers because he had access to the near infinite knowledge. I see nothing wrong with that. It took an old concept (demons) and put a post-modern spin on it. This was frequent in season one and it may be one of the reasons that season is so dear to me. That and perhaps the lack of many special effects. I don't quite know why, but it seemed more "real" that way.

 

I also think you're vastly overrating Dracula. Besides the "OMG! BUFFY'S FIGHTING DRACULA!!!!111" factor the episode offers little. It seems to put forth a Dracula that is an amalgam of the various movies the character appears in and the Whedonverse. Xander eating bugs? Come on. There's too much parody here. If they wanyed Dracula, they should've done something different. Maybe something closer to the original character. In any case, this is probably my least favorite season opener and my least favorite season five ep.

 

Moloch and the She-Mantis are still vastly more interesting. We've all seen Dracula parodies before.

[Guest JMA]

Dude, your obsession with lists is getting out of hand. 

 

Plus, "I was made to love you" smokes your ass.

Compared to the rest of season 5? I think not.

What about the ending?

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Dude, your obsession with lists is getting out of hand. 

 

Plus, "I was made to love you" smokes your ass.

Compared to the rest of season 5? I think not.

What about the ending?

The ending was probably cool in it's original airing, but other than that it's there in it's entirety in "The Body".

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

You talkin bout Angel or Buffy???

 

I'm so... CONFUSED.

 

If you're talking about Angel Season 4 vs. Angel Season 5, it's tough. Both have their pros and cons and they each have some killer *peak* episodes. I don't look at Angel Season 4 so-much-as a season, but rather, as the end of the Connor Saga, which went from Angel fucking Darla to Angel killing his son. I won't be like MOLE and make a bunch of lists, but I'll touch on some things.

 

Thematically, as-of-right-now, I think Season 4 edges out Season 5. While I like the "power corrupts" / "moral balance" theme that this season has thus far, I think the "Free Will" theme was more effective last year. The notion that Jasmine *did* bring the world happiness and Angel ended that because there wasn't a choice is a really 'mature' theme and I think is the most sophisticated one in the Buffyverse.

 

In terms of Big Bads, Season 4 had THE BEAST but it also had EVIL Cordy. But then, it also had Jasmine.... but it DID have ANNOYING Connor... Some real highs and some real lows there. As much as I love THE BEAST, I think the flip-flopping around of villians hurt the show in this regard. Season 5 Angel hasn't really had a centre-piece villian; it just revolved around the Senior Partners - Lindsay was fun and a great shocker, Hamilton rules hard, Eve was nice, but nothing is really sticking out BEAST wise.... the final episode may swing this in Angels favour, but as of right now, it's a DRAW.

 

In terms of Character development. Season 4: Big negatives for Cordys character, but big pluses for Wes'. Gunn and Freds relationship broke down and Gunn got kinda boring as did Fred, Lorne stayed green, Angel went into Angelus, and Lilah stepped it up nicely, Connor was annoying... Season 5 Angel, IMO, had better character development especially in terms of GUNN, who really is the show stealer, Harmony is a ton of fun, Angel and Spike rule it together (and seperately), Wes has been hitting a ton of different notes, and Fred/Illyria has been a fucking gem. Big points in this regard for Season 5.

 

In terms of "arc", Angel Season 4 wins because it was really continuous and didn't really take a break from the story they were developing, even if it did confuse you. Season 5 has had the continuity, but its been disjointed and more focused on singular episodes - though there has been a thread connecting them all. In retrospect - when it is all said and done - Season 5 Angel may seem alot like Season 5 Buffy in this area, and I looooooove S5Buffy.

 

Finally, in terms of episode quality: "Hole in the World" was one of the best Angel episodes ever, and from the looks of it, "Not Fade Away" may top it. "Destiny" was also high quality. "Smile Time", "Harms Way" and "Life of the Party" were so much fun, the Season Premiere was great IMO, "Shells" was fanfuckingtastic, "The Girl In Question" was hilarious, "Power Play" "You're Welcome" "Time Bomb" "Underneath" "Origin" ... jesus chris, this had a TON of really good episodes. Even the "bad" episodes weren't "bad", just "lesser".

 

I have to watch Angel Season 4 to fully grasp the quality of the episodes, "Apocalypse Nowish", "Habeas Corpses".. basically all THE BEAST-centric episodes rule hard, then they get into Angelus territory which would be fine in any other season but they had to have him kill the fucking BEAST.... calm down rudo... calmitdown... the Jasmine episodes I really enjoyed. Besides, it's Gina FN Torres motherfucker! The Season finale was fucking dope and is probably one of my favourites (so is Habeas Corpses and Apocalypse Nowish)... right now, I am thinking about giving it to Angel Season 5, but I haven't made my decision

[Mole 0]

I changed a few grades from my orginal grading because I was being too generous with a few of the episodes. "I, Robot -- You Jane" gets an F because the whole idea is SO STUPID. A demon that is stuck in a book, gets scanned into the computer and stalks Willow? Huh? He leaves the computer and becomes a robot? I didn't know a demon who was from 1418 knew how to use a computer like that. He is one smart demon...

I can appreciate the fact that you put some effort into this list, but I still disagree with you. I think you have an overly negative view of season one. The Moloch concept is a simplistic one. Demon is scanned into computer, demon gains near infinite knowledge from it, demon seeks to have physical body and keep his omnipresent power. He knew how to use computers because he had access to the near infinite knowledge. I see nothing wrong with that. It took an old concept (demons) and put a post-modern spin on it. This was frequent in season one and it may be one of the reasons that season is so dear to me. That and perhaps the lack of many special effects. I don't quite know why, but it seemed more "real" that way.

 

I also think you're vastly overrating Dracula. Besides the "OMG! BUFFY'S FIGHTING DRACULA!!!!111" factor the episode offers little. It seems to put forth a Dracula that is an amalgam of the various movies the character appears in and the Whedonverse. Xander eating bugs? Come on. There's too much parody here. If they wanyed Dracula, they should've done something different. Maybe something closer to the original character. In any case, this is probably my least favorite season opener and my least favorite season five ep.

 

Moloch and the She-Mantis are still vastly more interesting. We've all seen Dracula parodies before.

Sorry, Moolach was just too damn corny for me.

 

And "Buffy vs. Dracula" was decent because it set up season 5 storylines. Blood is life, Buffy is stronger than she thinks (helping her Mom, running the family after Joyce dies, and of course, jumping to save the world) Giles being helpful w/Dracula showing that he needs to stay, and Buffy/Riley's relationship starting to downfall because Buffy had that weird thing for Dracula.

 

How is Xander eating bugs too much of a parody?

[Guest JMA]

I always thought it would've been cool if THE BEAST~! (you have to say it like that) was resurrected. Kind of like how the vamps tried to bring back the Master in season two of "Buffy." They could've gathered his bones and performed a ritual. But some might feel it would be a cop-out.

 

It does seem a shame that such an awesome character was offed so soon, though.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I was made to love you ends with Buffy saying "Mom? Mom? ... Mommy?" which is heart breaking.

 

And how can you beat this convo??

 

TARA: Willow's good at all that computer stuff, but me not so much. Do you really understand all that?

ANYA: Oh. Well, at first it was confusing. Just the idea of computers was like, "whoa, I'm eleven hundred years old. I had trouble adjusting to the idea of Lutherans."

TARA: I go online sometimes, but ... everyone's spelling is really bad, and it's ... depressing.

ANYA: But you have to try online trading, it's great! The secret is avoiding the tech companies everyone was jumping on, and, and going with the smaller firms that supply the basic components.

TARA: Uh-huh.

ANYA: Anyway, I took the money from working for Giles, and I tripled it.

TARA: Tripled? Like, first money, then money money money?

ANYA: Yes. I'm thinking about buying something very expensive. Maybe an antelope

[Mole 0]

I won't be like MOLE and make a bunch of lists, but I'll touch on some things.

Since you didn't make 10 lists about Firefly.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

http://gloryisagod.com/5-15-93iwasmadetoloveyou.txt

 

Read the script, you'll find a new appreciation for the episode. Ditto with Buffy vs. Drac - I didn't think it was that great until I read it.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

YOU LEAVE MY BABY OUT OF THIS!

[Guest JMA]

Sorry, Moolach was just too damn corny for me.

 

And "Buffy vs. Dracula" was decent because it set up season 5 storylines. Blood is life, Buffy is stronger than she thinks (helping her Mom, running the family after Joyce dies, and of course, jumping to save the world) Giles being helpful w/Dracula showing that he needs to stay, and Buffy/Riley's relationship starting to downfall because Buffy had that weird thing for Dracula.

 

How is Xander eating bugs too much of a parody?

One of my problems is that it set up things and was constantly referenced to. You found Moloch to be corny? Fine. But also accept that I found Dracula to be incredibly campy and UNNESESSARY. In hindsight, it looked like they were using the confrontation to hook fans in to season five. That's all well and good, but the episode was a real let-down, IMO. Xander channeling Reinfield just seemed like pandering to mainstream conceptions of who Dracula and his associates were. It was a parody of the Reinfield character. Riley just seemed out of place in season five. His break-up with Buffy was something of a mercy killing. The reason they broke up could've just been Angel drinking from her so long ago, instead they used Dracula for this. And again, Giles "proving his worth" could've been handled in many other, better ways.

 

We didn't need Dracula for that. That's all I'll say on the matter, as I'm admittedly tired of typing about it.

[Guest JMA]

Ditto with Buffy vs. Drac - I didn't think it was that great until I read it.

I'll check it out.

[Ravenbomb 0]

man, is it just me or has everything past season 1 been a downer? I'll start on season 5 tomorrow, hopefully that'll be a wee bit more up-beat than the past 3 seasons have been

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Rileys break-up with Buffy was VERY important because it, along with her mother dying, influenced how she looked at Dawn and love in her life. "I was made to love you" focused on that very notion, as it displayed some of variations love can have: obsessive, platonic, relationship, familial, pathetic... it had it in all degrees, as well as mapping out the various stages romantic love has. Buffys mom going out on a first date, Buffy and Ben, Buffy and Xander dancing together, Xander and Anya and how they have an understanding, Taras reaction to Willow checking out April and how they don't have that understanding, April and Warren, Warren and his Girlfriend, Spike and Buffy, and -of course- Buffy/Dawn/Joyce and Buffy and Joyce in particular.

[Mole 0]

Sorry, Moolach was just too damn corny for me.

 

And "Buffy vs. Dracula" was decent because it set up season 5 storylines. Blood is life, Buffy is stronger than she thinks (helping her Mom, running the family after Joyce dies, and of course, jumping to save the world) Giles being helpful w/Dracula showing that he needs to stay, and Buffy/Riley's relationship starting to downfall because Buffy had that weird thing for Dracula.

 

How is Xander eating bugs too much of a parody?

One of my problems is that it set up things and was constantly referenced to. You found Moloch to be corny? Fine. But also accept that I found Dracula to be incredibly campy and UNNESESSARY.

No.

[Guest Brian]

speaking of Xander, would he be considered a "champion"?

I was thinking that at work today. Would you give him some credit for saving the world in Season 2 since he chose not to tell Buffy that Willow was reinstating Angel's soul? He played parts in stopping other apocalpyses.

[Anya 0]

ANYA: Yes. I'm thinking about buying something very expensive. Maybe an antelope

 

 

 

 

 

People criticize sesaon 6 for not having a central storyarc? That makes no sense...

 

 

 

Here is a mystery: Where did Anya live before moving into Xander's apartment? And did she graduate high school?

 

 

 

A case could be made that all of them are champions. Even non-badass warriors like Xander, Lorne, Fred or Tara frequently put their lives on the line to help others in need.

[Mole 0]

People criticize sesaon 6 for not having a central storyarc? That makes no sense...

Yeah that doesn't make any sense.

[Guest reekspeak]

God damn, this thread moves quick, Origin was shown this past Tuesday in the UK and I wanted to check what people thought of it, I have to skip through fifteen pages to find discussion on a three week old episode.

 

To get to my point though, I loved it, best episode this season.

[Ravenbomb 0]

and didn't Xander kinda single-handedly save the world at the end of season 6?

[Hank Kingsley 0]

To go off on something different, what episodes of season 5 would you like to have commentary on for the DVD? Realistically, there will probably be in the range of 7-10 episodes, seeing as Angel season 4 and Buffy season 7 DVDs both have 7-8 commentaries. Personally, I'd like to see:

 

"Conviction"

"Lineage"

"You're Welcome"

"Smile Time"

"A Hole in the World"

"Shells"

"Origin"

"The Girl in Question"

"Not Fade Away"

 

Wishful thinking on some of those, I'm sure.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I had too high of hopes with Origin. I was really hoping they'd focus on Sahjahn because I dug the shit out of that storyline in S3, but he didn't play a very big role in it. Cyrus Vail, however, was good stuff; as was Illyria and Wes in the end there.

 

And Jesus Christ Anyanka, the best part of that convo wasn't the antelope but:

 

TARA: I go online sometimes, but ... everyone's spelling is really bad, and it's ... depressing

 

I'd sig that if I didn't have a better one already

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Once Cordy became a champion, the term lost its meaning. She had visions which would have killed her and decided to keep them so-long-as-she-could "help", but that's all she was doing: helping. Helpers aren't champions, the people they help are.

[Guest JMA]

And Jesus Christ Anyanka, the best part of that convo wasn't the antelope but:

 

TARA: I go online sometimes, but ... everyone's spelling is really bad, and it's ... depressing

 

I'd sig that if I didn't have a better one already

That was GOLD.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I can't belive Wednesday is the end man....only three more days.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Don't worry. There is still a reason to live...

 

...The Firefly movie is still coming out.

 

After that?

 

I don't know what I'll do...