The One and Only Angel Season 5 Thread

[Guest Brian]

I'll post a couple scenes soon.

 

I got the 4200th post my bitches.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Everything involved in that is messed up. Her kissing Beast, his weaksauce death, being pregnant with Connor's child. She has no credibility as avillain.

 

Evil Cordy is the reason why Season 5 Angel is better than Season 4 and there is no question about it. Had they had The Beast at Jasmines side, and Jasmine come in a few episodes earlier - that would have been fucking AWESOME.

 

Cave Buffy isn't so bad compared to other things. Anya dying, Xander losing an eye and buffy being kicked out is officially the worst things ever in the Buffyverse.

 

Ok, the WORST thing before Evil Cordy is Rona. But Cave Buffy and Buffy getting kicked out of her house are 2 and 3. Anya dying sucked as did Eyeless Xander, but I don't think that would make my top 10 of suckage. Doublemeat Palace? That makes it.

 

I'll post a couple scenes soon.

 

I got the 4200th post my bitches.

 

YAAAAAAAAAY!!!

 

... for the scenes, not your irrelevant title as Mr. 4:20-0

 

4201~!

[Golgo 13 0]

Xander losing an eye was great, it was one of the true shockers in an otherwise underwhelming season. It defined his role and purpose in relation to the others, at a time when he desperately needed it due to being lost in the shuffle, and it helped to put over Caleb as a real threat.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

True, and it was symbolic as well since Xander represented the viewer in the show - the only "regular guy" of the Scooby Gang - so when he lost his eye, the shows perspective for us changed as well with Buffy getting thrown out and the gang breaking up.

 

However, seeing Xander in an eyepatch was not fun.

[Guest Brian]

I'm no good at this, just decent at putting ideas together and thinkingout fight scenes, not the actual grind of working out a script. This is the first two scenes, and neither are really complete as I'm sure they're a good bit short of what they should be. Enjoy, help, whatever:

 

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Scene 1:

 

<Angel, Illyria, Spike, and Gunn are shown from behind as an army of monsters face them. The camera pulls back to the street in front of the Hyperion, revealing Connor racing to the second story window as the cries from the monsters grow louder. A second camera shows Connor from behind, calling for his dad as the four warriors leave his sight.>

 

Connor: Dad!

 

<Connor turns and runs to the stairs. He hits the bottom step and gets stopped just before the door. A hand pulls him back against the wall.>

 

Kent: You’re not ready for this yet.

 

<Connor pushes his arms away>

 

Connor: My dad is out there. I have to help.

 

Kent: This is his fight, not yours.

 

<The camera pans back, showing a legion of monsters running wild through the streets. Two of them head through the doors. Connor recognizes the monsters, as he is hit with a flash back of Quor’toth.>

 

<The scenery is rocky, with no foliage in sight. Holtz arises from a fallen monster, facing Connor in his animal skin garb.>

 

Holtz: You must show no mercy with these beasts. You must not hesitate for one moment. You cannot think, you can only act.

 

<In the hotel, one of the monsters, goes at Kent and takes him to the side. The other goes after Connor, tossing him into the weapons chest. The camera cuts to Connor arises, now in the flashback.>

 

Holtz: Right. Left. Block.

 

<Connor follows Holtz’s directions, as he fights against a monster that is exactly the same as the one he’s fighting. The camera switches to the demon, who has fallen to its knees, back in the hotel. The camera switches back to Connor in Quor’toth.>

 

Holtz: Finish him.

 

<The camera is back in the hotel, as Connor reaches out to the monsters head and snaps it. He grabs a piece of glass from the broken cabinet and throws it at the second monster, which was straddling Kent. The camera shows Kent’s vantage point, as the monster falls off to the side with a piece of glass lodged in its head. Connor pulls the monsters off and pulls Kent up. They head to the door.>

 

Connor: Want to tell me what I’m not ready for.

 

<Connor opens the door. The streets are in flames, blood is running down the side of the street with the rain. Opening credits roll.>

 

Scene 2:

 

<Kent pulls Connor back inside.>

 

Kent: They told me you would be a work in progress.

 

<Connor pushes Kent’s arms aside.>

 

Connor: Did my father tell you that?

 

<Kent is looking through the weapons chest, searching for a weapon.>

 

Kent: No. The Powers That Be told me that.

 

Connor: What Powers? I have to get outside, I have to help.

 

Kent: It’s over now. They’re too strong. There’s too many right now.

 

Connor: It’s not over. I can help them.

 

<Kent finds the entrance to the sewers. He motions to Connor.>

 

Kent: They’re gone. We have to leave.

 

<Connor takes another look outside, then heads to Kent. They enter the sewers. Connor pulls Kent aside>

 

Connor: What is happening?

 

Kent: The apocalypse.

 

Connor: THE Apocalypse?

 

Kent: Okay, an apocalypse. But this one’s is different. This is evil inc. They’ve been operating here for years, under the radar of many. They’ve been building for this, waiting for the chance. And your father, he made a choice, a series of choices, his choices. What he chose, he had to deal with…we had to deal with.

 

Connor: What do “we” have to deal with? Who else? What are these powers?

 

Kent: You, me, were here, on the ground. The Powers That Be, they’re up there, and they said that you still have a role to play. Your father, Spike, Illyria, and Gunn; I don’t know where they are, I haven’t been told. The Powers tell me that you’re important, that you’re valuable to them. You didn’t think killing one demon would be the only thing they had planned for the son of a mystic birth.

 

<A group of people, four strong, emerge from the dark, looking around as they move. They’re all scared from the events unfolding above ground. The leader spots Connor and Kent, signaling to the others.>

 

Vampire #1: At least there something warm around here.

 

<The lead vampire’s face transforms. Camera is back on Connor and Kent, as Kent pulls a stake out of his coat.>

 

Kent: Now let’s see why I should invest myself in you.

 

<Kent tosses the stake to Connor, then fades back into a pipe. The vampires charge. Connor blocks the first two, then stakes the Vampire #3. Vampire #4 lands a punch, and the leader tries to pounce on Connor. Connor kicks him away, then leg sweeps Vampire #4. Vampire #2 tries to hit Connor but gets staked. Vampire #4 kips up as the leader looks on. Vampire #4 and Connor trade punches. Vampire #4 tries to hit Connor with a spin kick but Connor grabs him and throws him into the wall behind him, staking him like an ice pick. The leader emerges, kicking the stake out Connor’s hand. The leader throws Connor into the side of the tunnel, crashing into pipe. The leader comes charging, but Connor quickly spins, breaking off the pipe and bending it into the vampire’s chest. He crumbles into ashes. Kent emerges from the shadows.>

 

Kent: So I see that you’re more than just a face. I just don’t know what exactly.

 

Connor: And neither do I. And I don’t care. I have to get back to my father.

 

<Connor heads to an opening in the sewer. He looks outside through the bars. Kent picks up the stake.>

 

Kent: You’re not going out there. Not yet.

 

Connor: Who are you to say?

 

Kent: The Powers That Be. They sent me here to help you. I’m Kent.

 

Connor: And I’m heading out. I have to get to work.

 

<Connor turns as he witnesses a pack of monsters tearing a woman to pieces. He turns back to Kent.>

 

Connor: I need more. I need weapons.

 

Kent: You need to step back. There’s something else at work, that we have to let play out. You need to get ready. The city…by morning there will be little, if anything left. By daybreak, you’ll be able to fight them.

 

Connor: I won’t fight them. I’ll kill them.

 

<Connor grabs the grates, ready to leave, but turns away. The camera peers through the grates as the monsters begin to leave their kill.>

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

HOO BOY! You don't nearly give yourself enough credit. The only problem is Kent - WHAT DOES HE LOOK LIKE?! And is he English?

[Mole 0]

I'll try, but someone who knows something about this kind of thing will probably need to clean it up for me.

Right here Brian, you write it I'll clean it up for you.

[Guest Brian]

I'll try to put a cast together when I'm done.

 

Kent has to be an English guy. Strong and big, looking like a fighter, giving him some contrast from Cordy and Doyle.

[Guest Brian]

The great thing about writing a Connor script is that Connor deal with the same themes as Buffy only on a grander scale, but the settings are darker and more ambiguous like Angel. He has to deal with his identity, his dad, his life; but will he be able to seperate things as simple as black and white. It's what makes this show so great to write up.

 

I used to write monologues (and some dialogues) in high school, so I have some semblance of an idea of what I'm doing, though the medium, with action and all, is totally different. I'm going to do a read out after I punch up two more scenes and see where I need to work with everything.

 

And I can't be the only one who loves the idea of using Holtz again.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Holtz was one of my favourite villains because he wasn't a villain - he was Angels antagonist. Do you plan on showing young Connor - which is to say played by another actor?

[Mole 0]

My edits/suggestions in bold:

 

Scene 1: You don't need to say "Scene 1." And also you need to say EXT OR INT. IE: EXT. ALLEY WAY - NIGHT

 

<Angel, Illyria, Spike, and Gunn are shown from behind as an army of monsters face them. The camera pulls back to the street in front of the Hyperion, revealing Connor racing to the second story window as the cries from the monsters grow louder. A second camera shows Connor from behind, calling for his dad as the four warriors leave his sight.>

 

Even though we know what the characters look like, since this is a either a pilot or a movie script, you need to describe the characters. Also, the camera shots aren't needed unless it is a production script and you need to describe the space, but do it simple. And the <><><><>aren't needed.

 

Connor: Dad!

 

<Connor turns and runs to the stairs. He hits the bottom step and gets stopped just before the door. A hand pulls him back against the wall.> Like I said before, the <> aren't needed, so I won't say it again. Plus the room needs to be described.

 

Kent: You’re not ready for this yet. Who is Kent? You need to describe him

 

<Connor pushes his arms away>

 

Connor: My dad is out there. I have to help.

 

Kent: This is his fight, not yours.

 

<The camera pans back, showing a legion of monsters running wild through the streets. Two of them head through the doors. Connor recognizes the monsters, as he is hit with a flash back of Quor’toth.>

 

<The scenery is rocky, with no foliage in sight. Holtz arises from a fallen monster, facing Connor in his animal skin garb.>

 

Don't need to say "Connor recognizes the monsters, as he is hit with...." Just say "A legion of monsters run wild through the streets as two of them head through the doors."

 

CUT TO:

 

EXT. ROCKY MOUNTAINS - DAY

 

Then describe the mountains, Holtz, the monster, what happens, etc.

 

 

Holtz: You must show no mercy with these beasts. You must not hesitate for one moment. You cannot think, you can only act.

 

<In the hotel, one of the monsters, goes at Kent and takes him to the side. The other goes after Connor, tossing him into the weapons chest. The camera cuts to Connor arises, now in the flashback.>

 

Holtz: Right. Left. Block.

 

<Connor follows Holtz’s directions, as he fights against a monster that is exactly the same as the one he’s fighting. The camera switches to the demon, who has fallen to its knees, back in the hotel. The camera switches back to Connor in Quor’toth.>

 

Holtz: Finish him.

 

<The camera is back in the hotel, as Connor reaches out to the monsters head and snaps it. He grabs a piece of glass from the broken cabinet and throws it at the second monster, which was straddling Kent. The camera shows Kent’s vantage point, as the monster falls off to the side with a piece of glass lodged in its head. Connor pulls the monsters off and pulls Kent up. They head to the door.>

 

Connor: Want to tell me what I’m not ready for.

 

<Connor opens the door. The streets are in flames, blood is running down the side of the street with the rain. Opening credits roll.>

 

When you are doing the flashbacks, you need to have CUT TO and EXT/INT slug lines.

 

I am too tired to go through the whole thing, but you have something great on your hands here. The only problems are the format and describing the scenes/characters. The dialogue is very good, especially Connor. Most of the stuff he says sounds just like the way he would say it, you did a very good job at it.

 

If you have anymore questions, just ask.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I don't think you really need to do a "script" at all (though I _was_ the one who used the word ); I'd be just as happy with dialogue and action with some important camera views and character/scene descriptions... well, I guess that *is* basically a script - but I don't think you need the formality. Unless you want to publish it. If it's just for your and our benefit, do it the way you want to.

[Golgo 13 0]

Personally, I'd bring in Whistler initially. Have him be the one to stop Connor, with all the "this isn't your fight and you're needed here" talk, along with the overview of who he is, how he got Angel started, recapping of some of Angel's exploits, etc. Then maybe in the middle of the episode, or preferrably at the end, the new PTB contact shows up to take over, as he and Connor leave the hotel.

[Guest Brian]

Is the actor who played Whistler still around? I mean, if I could use him I'd prefer him in that spot.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Shit, I'd love to have Whistler in there permanetly! I loved that character and wish they had done more with it. He would be good for some exposition and setting the tone.

 

And now that I think of it, you gotta have a Firefly cast member involved! They've used Fillion, Torres, Glau, and Baldwin already, BUT, you still have Baccarin, Tudyk, GLASS(~!) and Staite as possibilities. Maybe the guy who played Badger as a watcher

 

RRR: Must know when to step back and leave it to Brian...

[Guest Brian]

I'll switch up the format when everything's in place. For now, it's easier for me to look at things that way.

[Golgo 13 0]

Here's his IMDB profile.

 

I'd like to have Whistler there permanently as well. Although, from what I was to understand, it wasn't Whistler's duty to get involved as heavily as a Doyle, he was only there to give people an initial shove in the right direction.

[Mole 0]

I don't think you really need to do a "script" at all (though I _was_ the one who used the word ); I'd be just as happy with dialogue and action with some important camera views and character/scene descriptions... well, I guess that *is* basically a script - but I don't think you need the formality. Unless you want to publish it. If it's just for your and our benefit, do it the way you want to.

Well he said fix it up, so I thought he meant script format.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

And bring back Ethan. He could be one of the good (?) guys.

[Mole 0]

And Gwen.

[Ravenbomb 0]

yeah, I always wondered why Whistler never turned up once on Angel. You'd think he'd show up when Angel went to W&H or something

[Mole 0]

Joss and David said something about it during the "City Of..." commentary.

 

EDIT: This post now offically ties the Buffy thread when it was made a classic and we are still going strong.

 

Congrats guys and Anya.

[Ravenbomb 0]

I'll have to re-watch that.

[Anya 0]

IIRC the whole reason Doyle exists is because they couldn't get the actor back to be Whistler.

 

 

The worst part about Xander losing an eye is that it went no where. There were only 4 eps left and it didn't end up being a big deal. Getting Caleb over as a threat? Caleb wasn't much in the end. He wasn't even the final battle. It ended up being a huge waste. BTW, I could rant for hours about how lame Caleb's death was and how much it sucked that he wasn't in the final battle.

 

 

Chosen is on FX tuesday. I am kind of hyped. I haven't seen it since it aired. I tried to tape it, but it was all messed up. I will watch it. Then curl up and weep.

 

 

I was watching some crappy movie, Dracula 2000, at work tonight and who did I see? Nathan Fillion....playing a preacher! It was really exciting. Unfortunetly he didn't snap any necks.

[Mole 0]

The worst part about Xander losing an eye is that it went no where. There were only 4 eps left and it didn't end up being a big deal. Getting Caleb over as a threat? Caleb wasn't much in the end. He wasn't even the final battle. It ended up being a huge waste. BTW, I could rant for hours about how lame Caleb's death was and how much it sucked that he wasn't in the final battle.

It didn't need to go anywhere. Xander was the one who "saw" and now he can't see anymore.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Joss and David said something about it during the "City Of..." commentary.

 

EDIT: This post now offically ties the Buffy thread when it was made a classic and we are still going strong.

 

Congrats guys and Anya.

I'm still bitter that the thread was taken away.

[Mole 0]

Joss and David said something about it during the "City Of..." commentary.

 

EDIT: This post now offically ties the Buffy thread when it was made a classic and we are still going strong.

 

Congrats guys and Anya.

I'm still bitter that the thread was taken away.

*cough*Dames*cough*

[Guest Brian]

I'm still using the same format for now, since it's easier for me. Here we go with the next scene:

 

Scene 3:

 

<Connor is in Quor’toth. He’s squatting, in a cave. Holtz is looking around. Both are breathing hard. Holtz turns to Connor.>

 

Holtz: These beasts will not stop until they’ve finished. They know nothing but the hunt and the taste of blood. They will kill and continue to kill without discretion. You’re smarter than them, and you must use that. You must always be aware of their instincts, Steven.

 

Connor: They live to feed.

 

Holtz: It’s never that simple, and you must be aware of everything. They’ve have their urges, and instincts. But they are not that primitive, nothing is ever that simple. If they have control, you give up that predictability. You must always have control.

 

<Cuts back to the sewer. Connor is squatting, Kent is standing upright. He takes a cigarette, puts it in his mouth, than rethinks lighting it and puts it away.>

 

Kent: You can’t give these monsters something to chase. We have to be in control.

 

Connor: Why are you here?

 

Kent: Consider me your guide, your guru. The Powers That Be are much like those at Wolfram and Hart, the Senior Partners. They’re been around since the beginning, in some form, since the beginning. They’ve been relegated to guiding, helping humans. The Senior Partners have been measuring, waiting for an opportunity to advance. They’ve taken it. And we have to restore a balance.

 

Connor: And why me?

 

Kent: You’re all that is left. You’re strong. And you have a destiny.

 

Connor: Who says? I am in control of my life.

 

Kent: We all have a role to play, some greater than others.

 

Connor: So they control things then. Me, my dad, the others, we’re all just pawns. Those people out there are just sacrificial lambs.

 

<Connor grabs Kent by the neck of his coat, pushing him against the wall>

 

Connor: So you come out here, because things are a little out of sync. People are dying, and you keep me in here so I can fulfill you’re wishes. I’m going to keep things going for you, make sure that you two are playing on an even field.

 

<Connor releases Kent, who straightens his coat and feels his neck>

 

Kent: We’re here to save people too. But you don’t always have an opportunity, and sometimes you have to fall back. You can’t save everyone, and you can’t fight everything alone.

 

Connor: These beasts are running wild, and I’m in here doing nothing.

 

<Cut back to Connor and Holtz in the cave in Quor’toth.>

 

Connor: But they’re in control now. I have to get out there.

 

Holtz: You’re smarter than these beasts. They think they have it, but they can never beat you. You stay one step ahead, and when they slip, you’ll be there to take care of them.

[Mole 0]

Well done, but I need moreee.

[Hank Kingsley 0]

Ugh. Just the idea of a show centered around Connor makes me gag. He was good in season 5 because he was only in 2 episodes. Nothing against Vincent Kartheiser, it's just that the character is so goddamn annoying.