So who voted for Arnold?

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Okay, get this:

 

Imagine your in Austria around the time Arnold was young. Think of what their opinons of Hitler were like then. I can tell you this: I highly suspect there would be people very supportive of Hitler and were not quiet about that fact.

 

I'm not saying Arnold is a nazi sympathizer. Far from it. What I'm trying to say is that in his life he's seen people espouse the good and the bad and made his own decision. In the lives of most Americans in this day and age, we hear of only the bad. Anyone who speaks good of Hitler is a weirdo/skinhead/whatever. This is almost assuredly the way it ought to be, since Hitler is the most evil man in history.

 

God, it should be blatantly obvious to you by now, but it isn't for whatever reason. I had a finish-up for this post, but lost my train of thought when my Dad started blasting the TV really loud.

 

The point is this: A person who grew up in a Nazi-controlled country probably has a lot different experience about the whole damn thing than someone who just reads about it in history books. I know there's a better way to express this, but I can't think of one. The point is that Hitlers and Nazis are probably more of an open subject there at that time than it is here and now.

 

If you still don't understand, you're a fucking rock. It's as fucking relevant as:

 

He's a great supporter of the Simon Wiesenthal Center.

 

And hey, he has ties to some guy with a shady past of anti-smetism. All in all, I think the guy doesn't support Hitler or the Nazis, but is probably more open to talking about it because of the culture he grew up in.

[Guest MikeSC]

Are you saying that Schwarzenegger's being a native of Austria makes it more credible that he might be an admirer of Hitler's? If not, then how is his native country relevant? How can the context be "proper" in any way if they're attempting to link Arnold Schwarzenegger to Adolf Hitler?

Okay, let's see, the guy is born in the wake of WW2 in the country of a political leader who had a great number of conquests and followers.

 

Certainly Arnold's actions in the past number of years prove that he isn't an anti-semite, but I don't think all of Austria shared his anti-Hitler stance. He probably conversed with people who supported Hitler, his father was a Nazi guard, correct? And thus it's likely that while he doesn't have a favorible impression of Hitler, he hasn't grown up educated in this "HITLER = ALL BAD. NOTHING GOOD ABOUT HITLER. AT ALL." mindset that we all have.

 

I hate to draw a Bush comparison here, keep in mind I'm not meaning malice to him here, but think of Texas. For every Dixie Chick complaining about how embarassed she is the President came from Texas, there's two or more people who talk about the man with pride even if they don't agree with everything he's done.

 

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that the man's home country does have relevance, since he wasn't given the same impressions of Hitler that we were in our youth. His different viewpoint may explain why he felt he could say something flattering about the man, even if he didn't like him.

 

I watch CNN regularly and I supported Arnold as replacement gov since Day 1 (although my recall vote was up in the air until Davis gave licenses to illegals.) I thought what the LA Times did was wrong (and appearantly 1,000+ subscribers did as well, as it hit them back pretty hard) but if I saw something blatantly anti-Arnold on CNN I'd pitch a fit about it. In this case, the statement is both a fact and relevant.

Jobber, one little thing:

 

HE BROKE UP NEO-NAZI RALLIES IN THE 1960'S.

 

His first bodybuilding coach has said that he used to send Arnold out to break up the rallies in Graz, Austria. The story of him "respecting" Hitler is laughable and to produce even the slightest correlation between Arnold and Adolf is insulting.

 

What CNN wrote is offensive and insulting to a man who has done more to fight Nazism than any of us have.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

Okay, get this:

 

Imagine your in Austria around the time Arnold was young. Think of what their opinons of Hitler were like then. I can tell you this: I highly suspect there would be people very supportive of Hitler and were not quiet about that fact.

 

Nope, there were more than a few very open supporters. Neo-Nazis and skinheads were making a comeback of sorts and HE BROKE UP THEIR RALLIES. What MORE can he do to show that the insinuation that CNN and the LA Times tried to make was false?

 

I'm not saying Arnold is a nazi sympathizer. Far from it. What I'm trying to say is that in his life he's seen people espouse the good and the bad and made his own decision. In the lives of most Americans in this day and age, we hear of only the bad. Anyone who speaks good of Hitler is a weirdo/skinhead/whatever. This is almost assuredly the way it ought to be, since Hitler is the most evil man in history.

 

Well, him, Pol Pot, and Stalin are equals.

 

God, it should be blatantly obvious to you by now, but it isn't for whatever reason. I had a finish-up for this post, but lost my train of thought when my Dad started blasting the TV really loud.

 

The point is this: A person who grew up in a Nazi-controlled country probably has a lot different experience about the whole damn thing than someone who just reads about it in history books. I know there's a better way to express this, but I can't think of one. The point is that Hitlers and Nazis are probably more of an open subject there at that time than it is here and now.

 

If you still don't understand, you're a fucking rock.

 

What CNN tried to do was create a correlation between Arnold and Adolf and if you can't see that, then you're fucking blind.

 

He's a great supporter of the Simon Wiesenthal Center.

 

And hey, he has ties to some guy with a shady past of anti-smetism. All in all, I think the guy doesn't support Hitler or the Nazis, but is probably more open to talking about it because of the culture he grew up in.

 

His "ties" to that Waldheim is laughable. Bill Clinton's ROLE MODEL was a virulent racist. Al Gore's FATHER was a racist. I suppose that is relevant to those two --- well, it is INFINITELY more relevant than Arnold's ties to Waldheim.

-=Mike

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Guys, you're forgetting the fact that no matter what he says, Mike (and, by extension, Rush Limbaugh) is always right.

[Justice 0]

Considering he's made a far better case than Jobber did, he probably is right. But that's just my opinion...

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Guys, you're forgetting the fact that no matter what he says, Mike (and, by extension, Rush Limbaugh) is always right.

Pot, meet Kettle...

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I didn't know about him breaking up their rallies, so I'll give him that.

 

I still think it's relevant at best and just a bad segue at worst. It certainly could be worded better, but I seriously can't comprehend how these seven words are an endorsement by Gray Davis by CNN.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Guys, you're forgetting the fact that no matter what he says, Mike (and, by extension, Rush Limbaugh) is always right.

Pot, meet Kettle...

And whose opinion do I hold on the highest of high?

[Justice 0]

Guys, you're forgetting the fact that no matter what he says, Mike (and, by extension, Rush Limbaugh) is always right.

Pot, meet Kettle...

And whose opinion do I hold on the highest of high?

*Points at Tyler's sig.*

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Hardly.

[Guest MikeSC]

Guys, you're forgetting the fact that no matter what he says, Mike (and, by extension, Rush Limbaugh) is always right.

Well, I suppose if you COULD disprove any of it, you would --- but since you can't, you'll just carp from the sidelines.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

I didn't know about him breaking up their rallies, so I'll give him that.

 

I still think it's relevant at best and just a bad segue at worst. It certainly could be worded better, but I seriously can't comprehend how these seven words are an endorsement by Gray Davis by CNN.

It's not a direct endorsement of Davis. It IS a direct attack on Arnold, and since he was the top guy in the recall and the most likely to win, it can easily be construed as approving of Gray.

-=Mike

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Guys, you're forgetting the fact that no matter what he says, Mike (and, by extension, Rush Limbaugh) is always right.

Well, I suppose if you COULD disprove any of it, you would --- but since you can't, you'll just carp from the sidelines.

-=Mike

I'm more on the side of "I didn't read the thread and I don't particularly give a damn about California" actually.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

It IS a direct attack on Arnold,

It's stating a fucking fact. It's not lying. They didn't accuse him of ANYTHING, but it probably wasn't seen as very good journalism, and at least they played it smart and pulled it.

 

and since he was the top guy in the recall and the most likely to win, it can easily be construed as approving of Gray.

Oh, bullshit. This is far, FAR from what the LA Times did.

[Guest MikeSC]

It IS a direct attack on Arnold,

It's stating a fucking fact. It's not lying. They didn't accuse him of ANYTHING, but it probably wasn't seen as very good journalism, and at least they played it smart and pulled it.

 

I find it baffling that you have NO problem with this. Did they lie? No --- but sweet Christ, it'd be like saying ANYBODY from Russia is from the same country as Josef Stalin. It is just freakin' bad. They owed him an apology.

 

and since he was the top guy in the recall and the most likely to win, it can easily be construed as approving of Gray.

Oh, bullshit. This is far, FAR from what the LA Times did.

 

They're using the same kind of crap rhetoric that the embarrassment for a governor would've used.

 

You know, if the Washington Times pulled this on a Dem, I doubt you'd be nearly as understanding.

 

But, they didn't.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

I'm more on the side of "I didn't read the thread and I don't particularly give a damn about California" actually.

Then why waste any of our time with your meaningless pablum?

-=Mike

[Firestarter 0]

I'm more on the side of "I didn't read the thread and I don't particularly give a damn about California" actually.

Then what the hell was up with your "No on recall, yes on Bustamante" shit? Just mindlessly parrotting the party line? If so, how did you summon the sheer brazen gall to bitch about Mike (so you say) parrotting Rush Limbaugh?

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

If so, how did you summon the sheer brazen gall to bitch about Mike (so you say) parrotting Rush Limbaugh?

I guess Mike is in a lot of trouble for the next 30 days...

[Firestarter 0]

Well, being limited to "I need the pills, oh God, give them back, I need them so bad" won't be all that big a deal if his only opposition is Tyler. He'll still seem at least relatively focused, on topic, and convincing.

[Guest MikeSC]

If so, how did you summon the sheer brazen gall to bitch about Mike (so you say) parrotting Rush Limbaugh?

I guess Mike is in a lot of trouble for the next 30 days...

OH MY GOD! MY BACK IS HURTING RIGHT NOW AS I WRITE THIS!!! I AM channeling Limbaugh. ARRGGHHH!

 

Somehow, I don't seem to be residing in a $30M mansion in Florida.

 

Man, I get all of the bad and none of the good.

-=Mike

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Somehow, I don't seem to be residing in a $30M mansion in Florida.

But are you in Betty Ford?

[Guest MikeSC]

Somehow, I don't seem to be residing in a $30M mansion in Florida.

But are you in Betty Ford?

Well, if Gerald asks, no.

 

<rim shot>

-=Mike

[Firestarter 0]

Responding to The Los Angeles Times by Jill Stewart

 

An interesting and amusing, if unsurprising, read. From her source at the Times:

 

"The air of unreality among people here was so extreme that when they did the office pool, of something like 113 people who put in a dollar to bet on the outcome of the recall and on who would be chosen governor, only 31 bet 'yes' on recall and 'yes' Schwarzenegger to win. All you had to do was read a poll to know how wrong that was, but inside this place only about 25 percent of the people could see the recall coming."

[Guest jpclemmons]

I'm a registered Democrat and I voted for Arnold. Gumby needed to go.