KingPK 0 Report post Posted October 12, 2003 I'm picturing Steinbrenner trying leech off of Zimmer's massive face heat, only to have Zim come out of the dugout and knee Mr.Steinbrenner in the groin. "Wait a minute, th-th-that's Don Zimmer's music!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JangoFett4Hire 0 Report post Posted October 12, 2003 I hope the Gerbil popped a hemmhorroid after Pedro owned him. I bet Bill Lee wishes that could have been him to toss his ass around like that. Don Zimmer sucks, he's been on the Yankees payroll since 1978. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BobbyWhioux Report post Posted October 12, 2003 It takes a real big man with grapefruit sized cajones to throw a 72 year old man to the ground. Bravo, Pedro. Bravo. It was rather unwise for Zimmer to get in his face, though. Martinez through at Garcia. Then he jawed at the Yankees bench (Posada specifically). Apparently, he threatened to throw at his head, too, though my only source for that is the ESPN talking heads on baseball tonight. Clemens retaliated by throwing at Manny (though he seemed to lack the fortitude to admit that's what he was doing, throwing at Manny/protecting his teammates in the post game conference.) Manny halfheartedly charged halfway (with the bat) before the benches cleared (He didn't really want to get to the mound with the bat). Benches cleared, Zimmer went got in Pedro's face (because Pedro didn't really want any of Posada or anyone else in his approximate age group). Pedro, big man that he is, grabbed Zimmer by the head and threw him to the turf (the only physical interaction I saw there). The umps should've tossed Martinez and Clemens, told everyone else to sit down, grow up, and cool off, and moved on with the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted October 12, 2003 Manny halfheartedly charged halfway (with the bat) before the benches cleared (He didn't really want to get to the mound with the bat). As the Sports Guy once wrote, the player who likes to point, and slowly walk to the pitchers mound, knowing full well the catcher, umpire, and about 4 other guys will be between him and the pitcher. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted October 12, 2003 Martinez through at Garcia. Then he jawed at the Yankees bench (Posada specifically). Apparently, he threatened to throw at his head, too, though my only source for that is the ESPN talking heads on baseball tonight. Posada was threatening Pedro from the bench, so Pedro responded with the finger motion towards his head (which we assume meant "I'll throw chin music to YOU too".) Manny halfheartedly charged halfway (with the bat) before the benches cleared (He didn't really want to get to the mound with the bat). He'd DEFINITELY be suspended if he made it to the mound with a bat in hand. He held the bat in his hands for so long, because he wanted to make sure it was a "false threat' and a serious threat at a brawl (for the good of his team in future games, considering he'd be suspended). Benches cleared, Zimmer went got in Pedro's face (because Pedro didn't really want any of Posada or anyone else in his approximate age group). ...or that they'd be instantly suspended if Posada or Garcia were willing to mix it up with him. Pedro, big man that he is, grabbed Zimmer by the head and threw him to the turf (the only physical interaction I saw there). ...AFTER Zimmer had lunged at him. ...AFTER Pedro had side-stepped him. ...and he grabbed Zim by the jacket and pushed him straight down. Not a throw or a MMA move. from espn.com --- Martinez told ESPN Radio after the game that he is "completely" shocked by what happened on the field Saturday. He said Zimmer tried to hit him, so he tried to push him away. Martinez emphasized that he would never hit Zimmer. The umps should've tossed Martinez and Clemens, told everyone else to sit down, grow up, and cool off, and moved on with the game. Why suspend either? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 12, 2003 Oy. I just heard my local sportscast (Wilkes-Barre, PA) spin things. "Zimmer tries to talk some sense into Pedro and gets shoved down." The hell? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest webmasterofwrestlegame Report post Posted October 12, 2003 I wanna start a 'You fu*ked up' chant at Zimmerman - Martinez clearly called the snap-mere, went for it, and Zimmerman half-arsed it and just fell on his face... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lando Griffin 0 Report post Posted October 12, 2003 Yeah, Don Zimmer just can't work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted October 12, 2003 Guaranteed to be a discussion issue for years to come Being a Sox fan, I admit to my initial bias, but continual replays just imbed in my head that it was an evasive/defensive maneuver by Pedro. The funny thing to me that I see among some (avoiding the lumping here) Yankee fans (here and on other forums I visit) is how they will condemn Boston and Boston fans for yesterday, while at the same time wishing for the same thing to happen to Boston and Boston fans, and still yet at the same time claiming that Yankee fans and the Yankees are the "class" of the MLB And just think, there's still two more games at Fenway... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted October 12, 2003 It's all Manny. Manny who's too afraid to charge the mound if he thinks he is entitled. Manny who wasn't entitled to in the first place since it was just a high pitch RIGHT OVER THE PLATE. The same Manny who spent part of the season too sick to work...and when ready to go was told to stay sitting. Manny is a baby. That's all there was to learn about yesterday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted October 12, 2003 Since when does defense involve grabbing a guy by the head and forcing him down? All Pedro had to do was take a step back or to the side and wait for someone to interject, which would of happened, he helped instigate the thing as he saw Zim came at him, then tried to salvage himself after all his little bitch antics by throwing 72 year old Zim down with force in an effort to look cool. Pedo was being a baby, and he was threatening players. If I was Zim, I would of headbutted his ass with the plate. Glad to know Pedro will forever be remembered as a baby who couldn't get it done in big games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BobbyWhioux Report post Posted October 12, 2003 Pedro defending himself? Please. How much of a physical threat was Zimmer, really. What was he gonna do, pull the plate out of his head and use it as a shank on Pedro? It takes a serious effort to be a bigger clown on the hill than Clemens, but Pedro managed it yesterday. Believe me, I'm as surprised as anybody that somebody out-babied Clemens in head-to-head competition... Clemens tried his best with his "It was high but over the plate, I wasn't throwing at him" but it just wasn't enough. Manny should never have held on to the bat. Either he goes out there and is the maniac who rushes the mound with a bat (and would get like hella suspended), or he's the pussy who even with a bat won't rush the mound. Lose-Lose. Damn, can we just have both of these teams lose and Cubs v Marlins be the world series this year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Clemens retaliated by throwing at Manny (though he seemed to lack the fortitude to admit that's what he was doing, throwing at Manny/protecting his teammates in the post game conference.) Oh, believe me, if Roger fucking Clemens wanted to hit someone, he'd at least get it in the general area of the guy. Why suspend either? Martinez should have been thrown out of the game and suspended as soon as he threatened to hit Jorge in the head. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big McLargeHuge 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Pedro defending himself? Please. How much of a physical threat was Zimmer, really. What was he gonna do, pull the plate out of his head and use it as a shank on Pedro? You've got a million people running around on the field, though. Anyone charging you, no matter the age or size, is still gonna get you on the defensive. Especially in that environment. Fact is, Zimmer charged Pedro. What was Pedro supposed to do? The side step sounds good theoretically, but it looked like they were pretty much locked up when Zimmer was taken down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 I say issue a couple games of suspension for Manny, Pedro, Jeff Nelson, Karim Garcia, and Don Zimmer, to be carried out at the beginning of next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Manny, Pedro and Zimmer I agree with, but I think we should see what happened with Nelson and the Groundscrew member. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 I'd suspend the following...to start on the next season Pedro: 8 games(Threw intentionally at an opposing batter and made an insinuating gesture) Manny: 3 games(Instigated the bench clearing by threatening/"charging" the mound) Zimmer: 4 games(Intentionally charged at Pedro and intended to use his left hand/arm in a physical manner) Garcia: 2 games(Attacking a fan when security was already getting involved) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cartman 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Garcia: 2 games(Attacking a fan when security was already getting involved) First off it wasnt a fan, it was a Groundskeeper... Second Garcia AND Nelson should get a few games for that incident. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 I agree wih the suspensions of Pedro, Zimmer and Garcia... Ramirez was too far from the mound to warrant a suspension. He made no effort to physically attack anyone on the field. Nelson was most likely provoked, defending himself against the Red Sox groundkeeper. What Garcia did, however, was over the top and unwarranted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Garcia should get just a game or two, since from his vantage point maybe a fan had attacked a player. That'll all get sorted out in the coming days. 5 days for Pedro, which would equal 1 start. Zimmer has to get some punishment, because otherwise what's to stop a bench coach from charging the starting pitcher? (Finally, the Marlins find a use for Dale Torberg!) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Ramirez was too far from the mound to warrant a suspension. He made no effort to physically attack anyone on the field. . As soon as he started approaching the mound with a bat he sealed his fate. Nelson was most likely provoked, defending himself against the Red Sox groundkeeper. What Garcia did, however, was over the top and unwarranted. Garcia could have turned around and saw some random guy brawling with his team mate. He's expected to just leave that alone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Garcia could have turned around and saw some random guy brawling with his team mate. He's expected to just leave that alone? Brawling with his teammate? Judging by how ESPN showed the highlights, the 4 or 5 other guys in the bullpen came to the aid of Nelson AND were kicking the guy to the ground, by the time Garcia got there. After Nelson confronted Williams, several Yankees surrounded him. Garcia, the right fielder, jumped over the fence and hurt his left hand. He was removed from the game with the hand wrapped. On a side note: Martinez, Ramirez, Garcia and Zimmer were all fined today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Anyone catch Bloomberg's comments? http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaking_...p-113010c.htmlp What a freaking joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Anyone catch Bloomberg's comments? http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaking_...p-113010c.htmlp What a freaking joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Anyone catch Bloomberg's comments? http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaking_...p-113010c.htmlp What a freaking joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Anyone catch Bloomberg's comments? http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaking_...p-113010c.htmlp What a freaking joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted October 13, 2003 I'm guessing you think it's a joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Garcia could have turned around and saw some random guy brawling with his team mate. He's expected to just leave that alone? Brawling with his teammate? Judging by how ESPN showed the highlights, the 4 or 5 other guys in the bullpen came to the aid of Nelson AND were kicking the guy to the ground, by the time Garcia got there. Ah. If he (like Nelson said) took a swing at Jeff, I still don't see a problem. He has no business being in the Yankee bullpen to begin with, and if he laid a hand on a ballplayer, I have no problem with the whole fucking team beating him up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Garcia could have turned around and saw some random guy brawling with his team mate. He's expected to just leave that alone? Brawling with his teammate? Judging by how ESPN showed the highlights, the 4 or 5 other guys in the bullpen came to the aid of Nelson AND were kicking the guy to the ground, by the time Garcia got there. Ah. If he (like Nelson said) took a swing at Jeff, I still don't see a problem. He has no business being in the Yankee bullpen to begin with, and if he laid a hand on a ballplayer, I have no problem with the whole fucking team beating him up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYU 0 Report post Posted October 13, 2003 Anyone catch Bloomberg's comments? http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaking_...p-113010c.htmlp What a freaking joke. Eh, no bother. 95% of New Yorkers hate Bloomberg anyway, but he prefers to stick his fingers in his ears and act as if he's much more popular than he actually is. 2 more years and he'll be out of office. Although, I find it hilarious he thinks he'll be elected for 4 more years. If New York City had a recall law, Bloomberg would have been gone long ago. So, his opinion on "Pedro should not push a man down who is charging at him like an obese rhino, although this 72 year old can still inflict damage with a punch to the nose" doesn't affect me at all. I'm a New Yorker (although a Mets fan) and I find the bias in the newspapers sickening. Pedro must defend himself as all others do when they are in danger of being attacked. A punch in the face from Zimmer can still break a nose, or knock a guy down. He's not entirely weak. If he's stupid enough to charge the mound, he should have gotten a good smack in the head. Stay the fuck off the field if you don't want your ass rolling around the field. So let Bloomberg jump on this ridiculous bandwagon. When an 80-year-old New Yorker tries to whack Bloomberg with a cane because he's getting screwed over by these constant tax increases, let's see Bloomberg stand there and take the abuse. It's human nature to defend yourself and that's all Pedro did. He could have done a lot - A LOT - worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
