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[Guest Choken One]

Rebutal: Agreed and it's a very unnoticed machine.

 

 

Statement: Bands are trying too hard to be like other big bands of the past

 

Staind-AIC

Puddle of Mudd-Nirvana

Creed-Led Zepplin

 

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[Guest muzanisa]

Rebuttal -Beatles tried to be Buddy Holly + the Crickets

Stones old blues band same with Led Zep

Nirvana wanted to be the Pixies

 

 

Statement - MacCartney was more of a visionary than Lennon

[Guest Choken One]

Rebuttal: Yes. However, George was better.

 

 

Statement: Ringo Starr was the worthless member of Beatles, just about anyone could've held that seat and nothing much would be different.

[Guest swan]

Rebuttal: Yes. However, George was better.

 

 

Statement: Ringo Starr was the worthless member of Beatles, just about anyone could've held that seat and nothing much would be different.

Rebuttal: True, but how many people could of pulled off the Conductor on Thomas the Tank Engine like he did?

 

Statement: Michael Jackson won't be remembered for his contributions to the music industry because of his, lets call it zany, personal life.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

REBUTTAL: Agreed. Unfortunately, everybody always remembers the bad instead of the good.

 

STATEMENT: Rhythm is best taught while using an instrument the student knows, and not using just a table and their hands.

[Guest razazteca]

Statement: Michael Jackson won't be remembered for his contributions to the music industry because of his, lets call it zany, personal life.

 

Rebuttal:  Michael Jackson will only be remembered for his Thriller album, which made him the superstar.  He would also be remembered for the several mini movie music videos that he has made during his career.

 

Statement:  Michael Jackson's made MTV, if it was not for him the station would not be around, as it is.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

STATEMENT: Rhythm is best taught while using an instrument the student knows, and not using just a table and their hands.

Rebuttal: If a student knows an instrument, then they inevitably already knows some sense of rhythm.  However, a sense of rhythm, being internal, must be attained before even picking up an instrument; nothing is worse than an instrument being played by one who hasn't even the slightest sense of rhythm.

 

Statement:  Michael Jackson's made MTV, if it was not for him the station would not be around, as it is.

 

Non-Rebuttal: So true... "Thriller" is definitely what made the station in its early days.

 

(my) Statement: Were it not for the famous bootleg Great White Wonder, Dylan's Basement Tapes never would've been released, and Columbia wouldn't have a scapegoat for the unpopularity of Nashville Skyline and would've let Dylan go.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

Statement: Were it not for the famous bootleg Great White Wonder, Dylan's Basement Tapes never would've been released, and Columbia wouldn't have a scapegoat for the unpopularity of Nashville Skyline and would've let Dylan go.

 

rebuttal: Even though Nashville Skyline was unpopular I don't think they would have cut Dylan loose. It's not like Columbia only distributed for good, successful artists.

 

 

 

Statement: "Bring Your Whole Crew" by DMX is the quintesential gansta rap song.

[Guest Choken One]

rebuttal: I thought it was "Ryde or Die?" Like it really matters.

 

Statement: Nothing is sader then old bands trying to recapture past success (I.E Stones, Aerosmith)

[Guest redbaron51]

Re-butal: They should just quit, while they are still moderatly good, but some bands like Rush still keeps on going. Hey, Killer Dwarves are playing in my home town .

 

Statement: If Rage Against The Machine wasn't a political band supporting third world countries, they would not be as popular.

[Guest razazteca]

Nothing is sader then old bands trying to recapture past success

 

Kansas came to play at the local fair grounds and about 20 people showed up.

 

If Rage Against The Machine wasn't a political band supporting third world countries, they would not be as popular

 

I disagree about that, even though that the band did get attention by playing concerts in front of political conventions, they had a sound that could not be ignored.  Rage still would get heavy radio rotation due to the music content.  Besides MTV was pimping the band as if they were the greatest hardcore band on the planet.

 

Statement:  DMX is better than JaRule at copying 2Pacs style

[Guest evenflowDDT]

Statement:  DMX is better than JaRule at copying 2Pacs style

Rebuttal: DMX might "copy 2Pac's style", but he has a fairly distinct vocal delivery and all his cool "what?!"'s and "dog"'s and "ungh"'s... at least my friends love those.  Ja Rule doesn't exactly copy 2Pac's style any more either now that he does weak R&B/pop cross-overs.  So... DMX wins by default?

 

Statement: Goblin's score for Suspiria ties only with John Carpenter's Halloween as the coolest horror score ever.

[Guest Choken One]

Rebuttal: Ah, sure. if you say so.

 

Statement: We've talked about everything already...oh here's one...Who created music?

[Guest Kinetic]

Statement: We've talked about everything already...oh here's one...Who created music?

Rebuttal: That's more a question than a statement, but I'll respond to it.  First of all, let me just express how pleased I am that the format I designed and created (this one) has made its way to the TV-Movie-etc. folder.  It's nice to have my message board genius acknowledged every now and then.  Now, as far as your question is concerned; music was created by GWAR when Beefcake the Mighty, their bassist, stretched the carcass of a dinosaur across the Grand Canyon.  He plucked it, it made noise, and thus music was created.  I think I either read that in "Time" magazine or in some GWAR liner notes.  Either way, I accept it as absolute truth.

 

Statement:  Mainstream hip hop is almost as bad as mainstream rock and country right now.  In fact, mainstream music in general is worse than ever at this point.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

REBUTTAL: True, but mainstream music has always been weak. Even during the grunge era, there was maybe a year or so of STRONG grunge bands (Alice In Chains, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, and of course Nirvana), and then the poseurs came in full-force. You just have to look for the diamonds in the rough when it comes to mainstream music.

 

STATEMENT: Death metal vocalists go through lots of throat losengers, and Dani Filth needs to hock up that lugie already.

[Guest godthedog]

rebuttal: actually, i did some research on this & found out that all death metal vocalists smoke 2 packs of cloves before every show.  bob dylan used to do this too.

 

statement: although kurt cobain has become some kind of rock music christ figure, nirvana contributed absolutely nothing original to music.

[Guest Kinetic]

statement: although kurt cobain has become some kind of rock music christ figure, nirvana contributed absolutely nothing original to music.

Rebuttal:  True, but I wouldn't consider that to be a detriment to them.  "Original" is a term that's bandied around a lot in music criticism, to the point where it's somehow become synonymous with "good."  This untrue.  Good does not always equal original and, conversely, original does not always equal good.  What Nirvana did was take a type of music that had been a part of the Amerindie underground for years, put their somewhat unique stamp on it, and somehow managed to bring it to the mainstream.  The most important thing is that they were a great band that released great albums, regardless of how much they stole from the Pixies.

 

Statement:  Blur is about 100x better than Oasis.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

Statement:  Blur is about 100x better than Oasis.

 

Rebuttal: While they might be better, I don't think they are THAT much better. Oasis I think gets a bad rap because of the stupid feud between the bros., and because they have been branded a "Beatles ripoff" (partly deserved). Sure, they aren't all that original and their music isn't great, but its perfectly acceptable pop-rock IMO.

 

Statement: Any time an artist dies while still in the spotlight their careers and impact are magnified artificially, and with the exceptions of Jimi Hendrix, John Bohnam, and Keith Moon (as well as possibly a few others), they are usually average musicians who suddenly become all-time greats. Among the worst offenders are Janis Joplin, Kurt Cobain, and Jim Morrison.

[Guest redbaron51]

Rebuttal: That is very true. If it was like Left-Eye or Aalyiah (RIP) they get their little glory at first, but will not be remember that long since they were pop acts.

 

Randy Rhodes was a great guitarist, but once he died, people gloryified them more. It was the same with Cliff Burton, and probably Layne Staley. But with someone like George Harrison status being on of the beatles, there was no real reason why to glorify him.

 

Statement: Wish You Were Here was a better album than Dark Side of the Moon in every aspect.

[Guest muzanisa]

Rebuttal - But you can't get stoned and watch the wizard of Oz with the sound down to wish you were here.

 

 

Statement - The 90's nostalgia revival is over  so the next nostalgia revival  must be for 2000.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

Statement - The 90's nostalgia revival is over  so the next nostalgia revival  must be for 2000.

Rebuttal: What '90s nostalgia revival? Seriously... sure, Staind tried to rip off Alice in Chains, and Naughty by Nature put out a new album, but I don't think there's been a true nostalgia revival of any decade in a while.  I wish there was though... BRING BACK THE '80s! I need my stupid cock rock and hair bands! It's just girls, girls, girls!

 

Statement: Seriously, hair bands aren't good music by any stretch, but unlike other bands that don't put out good music (cough cough, nu metal), at least it's cheesy enough that you can have fun and enjoy listening to it, with a little bit of serious to ground it from going too over the top.

[Guest]

Rebuttal: Oh yeah, cheesy is always good. I can watch cheesy Godzilla all day instead of mediocre studio films of today, but this is about music, so I'll say I can listen to Warrant much more than I can, say, any of the very similar sounding people on our local new rock station.

 

Statement: "Exit Music(for a film)" by Radiohead and "Katy Song" by Red House Painters are two of the most depressing songs of all time, but at the same time, are two of the greatest love songs of all time.

[Guest muzanisa]

Rebuttal - I think Leonard Cohen can probably edge out both on depressing love songs, Goodbye is the greatest of all time.

 

 

Statement - "kooky" bands (bloodhound gang, Blink 182, Barenaked ladies, Alien Ant farm and the ones who do the soundtrack for Malcom in the middle) are rarely funny for more than one listen, are irritating and worse always come out with a  "serious" record that shows that they aren't just lovable clowns.

[Guest]

Rebuttal- Those bands never make anyone laugh except people who only listen to mainstream music.

 

Statement- In the future Eminem will be looked as the man who bridged the racial lines of hip-hop.

[Guest]

Rebuttal: I'd argue that the Beastie Boys and to  a certain extent, the rap-metal scene have already bridged those lines.

 

Statement(s): 1. Black Flag were a better band before Henry  Rollins joined.

                    2. Slipknot are the modern equivalent of Kiss, just with slightly worse music.

[Guest Choken One]

Rebuttal: Of cours Slipknot has worse music...difference is? KISS puts on a good show, Slipknot are just annoying and a boring show.

 

 

Statement: People need to do more "Unplugged" albums...Eric Clapton had the greatest imo.

[Guest godthedog]

rebuttal: i think the current trend with unplugged albums is fine.  right now, it's still kind of a big deal to do an unplugged album, & if the market gets saturated it won't mean anything anymore.  and nirvana had the best unplugged album, although clapton was the first to really show the world what can be done with the unplugged format.

 

statement: there are almost no legitimate bands anymore that have a sense of humor.  a band either takes itself waaaaaaaay to seriously (like p.o.d. or limp bizkit), or is just silly (like blink 182).  the only exceptions i can think of are the foo fighters.  the beatles & the stones didn't have any problem putting humor into their music, why does everybody now seem to?

[Guest Shaved Bear]

Rebuttal:

This is simply because that music is pretaining to younger kids (13-15) and what they want is either "angry" music to vent to, or music that'll make themselves laugh silly.  This is why this happens, because people want to form an image of either variety, and such music is marketed heavily.

 

Statement:

Metallica is the best American Rock Band ever

[Guest ZGangsta]

Rebuttal: Even though there were only really 2 Guns 'N Roses albums, I consider them to be the best American rock band in history. I'd give Metallica third place with Nirvana coming in second. Metallica was a hella good band, but their recent stuff hasn't been to impressive, and I like pretty much any original material (thus not counting the Spagetti Incident)  ever put out by Guns 'N Roses and Nirvana.

I consider the Beatles, the Stones, the Who, Led Zeppelin, U2, Oasis, and ACDC better rock bands than Metallica (but, other than U2, not better than GnR or Nirvana), but they're not American.

 

Statement: This new mass marketed, image heavy, horrible sounding, bling-bling rap/R&B crap has dethroned dance-pop as the "Big Thing."

I actually think I perferred dance-pop, it was less fake.

[Guest Anorak]

Do you mean best hard rock band? Calling Metallica the best ever American heavy metal band may be a more appropriate but no less debatable argument. They made an enormous contribution to heavy metal but if we take a wider interpretation of rock music in its various styles there were countless better bands than Metallica. Some of their earliest stuff sounds somewhat dated while many other bands have debut albums to their name which have a certain timelessness to them. Added to that is the fact they now resemble a bland alternative rock band (they used to represent the complete opposite for a long time) and have long ceased to be vital or inspired. Best of their particular type? Maybe, but Metallica aren't the pinnacle of American rock music by a long way if that view was the generalised blanket statement it appeared to be. (I like Metallica by the way!)

 

Statement: Paul Weller's solo career has been one long bore.