ISportsFan Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 Angle's a main eventer, so he should draw. Benoit & Eddy were midcarders for most of this period, so they are the guys who should be getting pushed. The current main eventers aren't drawing buyrates (although I still think Angle & Brock have potential, just with better opponents), so Eddy & Benoit are the guys that should be next on the list to try. I still don't think Angle and Brock were portrayed as the main eventers. It's not fair to them to blame them when the central angle on the show and ALL the advertising dollars market the McMahon match on the same PPV. It's as if they're a second-tier main event; the real wrestling main event, but not the one with any promotion. I agree on the position of Benoit and Guerrero though - midcarders (or in Benoit's case, flipping between midcarder and lower carder on a consistent basis) who just shine through in TV ratings. Jason
Kahran Ramsus Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 Angle's a main eventer, so he should draw. Benoit & Eddy were midcarders for most of this period, so they are the guys who should be getting pushed. The current main eventers aren't drawing buyrates (although I still think Angle & Brock have potential, just with better opponents), so Eddy & Benoit are the guys that should be next on the list to try. I still don't think Angle and Brock were portrayed as the main eventers. It's not fair to them to blame them when the central angle on the show and ALL the advertising dollars market the McMahon match on the same PPV. It's as if they're a second-tier main event; the real wrestling main event, but not the one with any promotion. Jason Good point.
eiker_ir Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 hehe, Jericho owns RAW, as it should be
Kahran Ramsus Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 Also, here is more proof that even with the McMahon's, Smackdown is better than RAW. For the Smackdown guys, the amount drawn is generally in proportion with their position on the card. On RAW, this is all over the place with pseudo-maineventers like Randy Orton, Kevin Nash and Shawn Michaels not drawing well, and the midcarders that they are pushing (Test, Mack, Maven) doing terrible. Meanwhile, Christian & Jericho are drawing despite being treated like jobbers every week.
razazteca Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 Chris Jericho +7,071,000 +261,890 HHH +6,944,000 +408,470 Rob Van Dam +747,000 +53,360 Poor RVD
Guest TheGame2705 Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 Angle's a main eventer, so he should draw. Benoit & Eddy were midcarders for most of this period, so they are the guys who should be getting pushed. The current main eventers aren't drawing buyrates (although I still think Angle & Brock have potential, just with better opponents), so Eddy & Benoit are the guys that should be next on the list to try. I still don't think Angle and Brock were portrayed as the main eventers. It's not fair to them to blame them when the central angle on the show and ALL the advertising dollars market the McMahon match on the same PPV. It's as if they're a second-tier main event; the real wrestling main event, but not the one with any promotion. I agree on the position of Benoit and Guerrero though - midcarders (or in Benoit's case, flipping between midcarder and lower carder on a consistent basis) who just shine through in TV ratings. Jason How much more "real" main event do you need to be if you're already in the main event of Wrestlemania? Stop making excuses.
Guest Anglesault Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 I think Test should be humiliated and publically fired for being such a failure.
Lil' Bitch Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 Stop making excuses. The same goes for you.
Guest THE MIGHTY THOR Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 Going by those figures, Vince is the biggest draw in the company at the moment. VINCE MCMAHON. Maybe he knows what he's doing afterall. UYI That's not the case, Vince appears in SD on almost every segment and usually at the beginning of,middle of or end of the show where viewers usually switch to SD to see what's going on. Just like HHH, when you make someone the main character/focus of the show 9 times out of 10 people will watch you.
ISportsFan Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 My Smackdown analysis: Kurt Angle +6,032,000 +402,130 Right about where he should be as a "this close to the top guy pushed" guy. A-Train +350,000 +70,000 Who has he feuded with the past 4 months? He was in the Stephanie/Sable feud and the Benoit feud. The Stephanie feud went nowhere, so that leaves us with Benoit. Now, if his ratings are only up +70,000, and he's feuding with one of the top ratings getters (despite Benoit's status), what does that say about his other Smackdown appearances? They had to be negatives, or else his number would be higher. Basham Brothers +439,000 +43,900 Not bad. Shelton Benjamin +3,350,000 +304,545 Absolutely phenominal, especially for a tag wrestler, to get a vote of confidence from the public like this. Chris Benoit +3,425,000 +311,360 Once again, I believe this is the ultimate proof that people want to see Chris Benoit, and I hope everyone finally shuts up about this. He was treated like crap in the midcard or lower over the last 4 months, and he still gets an average of over 300,000 MORE people watching his segments than the one before him. John Cena +322,000 +22,130 This has to be extremely disappointing for Vince. FBI -188,000 -29,500 Expected, given their push. Zach Gowen +7,269,000 +484,600 He should have this high of viewership - he was the main event angle for a major portion of this survey. But, that doesn't mean that people wanted to pay to see him (which is what a main eventer should have people do); his buyrate with Vince was terrible at Vengeance (and if you think that wasn't the most heavily promoted match, thus qualifying as the main event to the people, you're kidding). Eddy Guerrero +4,966,000 +310,375 Just like Benoit, this a huge vote of confidence for a midcarder from the public. Billy Gunn +1,676,000 +279,330 I'll be quite honest, this is a shock. Here's a case, however, where you have to think in terms of quality and safety; Gunn blows up two minutes into matches and then becomes a danger to whomever he's in the ring with. Charlie Haas +4,787,000 +299,190 Just like Benjamin, a huge vote from the public to a tag wrestler. Matt Hardy +243,000 +20,250 This is a shame that Matt Hardy is pushed so crappily that people don't even care about him anymore. I remember his main event with Mysterio getting a good audience, but he's rarely on Smackdown anymore. Hulk Hogan +3,746,000 +468,250 See Zach Gowen... main event push, but do people pay to see him on PPV? WM XIX, Backlash 2002, Judgment Day 2002 proved no. Brock Lesnar +5,879,000 +326,610 Just like Kurt Angle, a solid number for someone who is just under the top tier of pushed. Stephanie McMahon +6,201,000 +620,100 Vince McMahon +11,263,000 +625,720 These two get the biggest pushes on the show and thus should have the biggest numbers. BUT, they are not wrestlers and this will mean nothing if their match at No Mercy (which is the main event, no matter what anyone wants to believe) draws poorly (which everyone thinks it will). Shannon Moore -250,000 -50,000 Expected. Rey Misterio +1,106,000 +100,550 This is a very good number for someone who rarely gets pushed. Nidia -444,000 -111,000 Jamie Noble +65,000 +8,130 The huge difference between manager and wrestler is astonishing. The thing about it is that Nidia, when wrestling, has crappy matches with Torrie Wilson and people don't want to see them. Rhyno +1,181,000 +131,220 Looks big, but remember his main feud was with Benoit (huge ratings) and Guerrero (same as Benoit). So after those feuds, his numbers had to have dropped substantially. This could either be people wanted to see Benoit/Guerrero and didn't care about him anyway OR because of his lack of push Rikishi -443,000 -110,750 Who cares? Big Show +3,895,000 +299,620 Good numbers, but he was in the second tier of workers (right under Gowen/Hogan/McMahons) with Brock and Angle for the whole time, and he gets worse numbers than Benoit/Guerrero/Benjamin and Angle/Brock. Spanky +51,000 +12,750 Expected. Tajiri +1,166,000 +89,690 See Rhyno, but also he has a feud with cruisers now, and they get shafted anyway in pushes from the bookers, so this might not be his fault. Undertaker +2,265,000 +226,500 This has to be a very disappointing number for WWE. Torrie Wilson -284,000 -56,800 See Nidia. Raw is coming next. Jason
dubq Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 HHH +6,944,000 +408,470 Booker T -424,000 -70,670 Rob Van Dam +747,000 +53,360 Ha! Am I actually reading this right? They lose viewers when Booker T is on screen! If so, "the ironing is delicious!" [that's a Simpsons reference for anyone who thinks that I don't know how to spell irony]
ISportsFan Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 How much more "real" main event do you need to be if you're already in the main event of Wrestlemania? Stop making excuses. When you say main event, I think you mean last match. When I say main event (especially with ratings/buys), I mean the most heavily promoted match on the card. For Smackdown at WrestleMania, that was obviously (and you can't deny it wasn't... see the front of the video/DVD sleeve for a reminder), it was Vince/Hogan. On the Raw side, the most heavily promoted match was Rock/Austin. Brock/Angle was, at best, the third most promoted match at WM. Jason
Guest TheGame2705 Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 Stop making excuses. The same goes for you. How am I making excuses?
Lil' Bitch Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 When I say main event (especially with ratings/buys), I mean the most heavily promoted match on the card. For Vengeance, that was obviously McMahon / Gowen and McMahon / Sable. Of course, nobody in their right mind would PAY to see those so its no wonder Vengeance flopped. I HOPE the same happens to No Mercy.
Guest TheGame2705 Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 How much more "real" main event do you need to be if you're already in the main event of Wrestlemania? Stop making excuses. When you say main event, I think you mean last match. When I say main event (especially with ratings/buys), I mean the most heavily promoted match on the card. For Smackdown at WrestleMania, that was obviously (and you can't deny it wasn't... see the front of the video/DVD sleeve for a reminder), it was Vince/Hogan. On the Raw side, the most heavily promoted match was Rock/Austin. Brock/Angle was, at best, the third most promoted match at WM. Jason Hogan/Vince was advertised a lot but it wasn't as if Brock/Angle was neglected. I would chalk it up to people not wanting to watch Vince and Hogan but WM wasn't the only time Brock and Angle failed to deliver.
Guest Anglesault Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 Angle's a main eventer, so he should draw. Benoit & Eddy were midcarders for most of this period, so they are the guys who should be getting pushed. The current main eventers aren't drawing buyrates (although I still think Angle & Brock have potential, just with better opponents), so Eddy & Benoit are the guys that should be next on the list to try. I still don't think Angle and Brock were portrayed as the main eventers. It's not fair to them to blame them when the central angle on the show and ALL the advertising dollars market the McMahon match on the same PPV. It's as if they're a second-tier main event; the real wrestling main event, but not the one with any promotion. I agree on the position of Benoit and Guerrero though - midcarders (or in Benoit's case, flipping between midcarder and lower carder on a consistent basis) who just shine through in TV ratings. Jason How much more "real" main event do you need to be if you're already in the main event of Wrestlemania? Stop making excuses. It wasn't promoted as the ME of Mania. I'm sure if you compare total TV time and ad time (including 3rd Degree, which Vince/Hogan dominated) the discrepancy will be huge.
USC Wuz Robbed! Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 And besides those numbers covers the last 4 months, and last time I checked, Mania was not within the 4 month span.
Guest TheGame2705 Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 My problem isn't with Angle it's with Brock to be honest. Brock was given an undeserving push right from the get go, didn't deliver in buyrates or TV ratings or in the ring. Angle's shown he isn't worthless. When Angle got pushed, he got heat. It took Brock from March to November to get heat and after defeating Hogan, Taker, The Rock, both Hardyz, and RVD. Brock also got the World title 5 mos. into his reign.
AndrewTS Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 "Torrie Wilson -284,000 -56,800" BWAHAHAHAHAH!! FUUUUUCK YOOOUUUU, TORRIE!!! I'm proud to say I was one of those who switched channels when she came on.
Lil' Bitch Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 I agree that Brock's push was ridiculous and shouldn't have happened that fast. I don't know Vince so I don't know what got him to do that. My best explanation is that Vince saw something in Brock and gave him the ball to run with. But I've been a Brock fan since his RAW debut and despite the poor buyrates, he was in very good matches with Rock, Undertaker (HIAC), and Angle that I enjoyed very much so.
ISportsFan Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 My Raw Analysis Steve Austin +6,873,000 +429,560 Eric Bischoff +2,671,000 +381,570 Authority figures who can't wrestle and get the most TV time, as we see on Smackdown, should get more viewers. Garrison Cade -163,000 -27,170 Expected. Christian +2,245,000 +132,060 This is a pretty dang good number for not being involved in PPVs (such as SummerSlam). Dudleys -412,000 -37,450 Not too good for the team who was tag champs during part of the timeframe. Spike Dudley -707,000 -117,830 Not unexpected at the very least. Ric Flair +5,078,000 +282,110 Pretty good numbers for a lackey, but he is almost always with HHH, so that could inflate his numbers. However, he does wrestle sometimes without HHH, so maybe he's still a partial ratings draw. Mick Foley +2,870,000 +574,000 Main event angle authority figure... see Austin and Bischoff. Bill Goldberg +6,833,000 +427,060 These should be high, although they're higher than they should be. He was not a main eventer (also defined as being programmed with HHH) for the whole time period, and he got bigger numbers than HHH. HHH +6,944,000 +408,470 For his influence on the show, these should be higher. Not saying they're bad numbers, but they aren't good for being world champ and focus of the show every week. Molly Holly +46,000 +5,110 Hurricane -900,000 -69,230 Not being pushed and rarely being on TV does give these results. Chris Jericho +7,071,000 +261,890 Chris Jericho is like Benoit and Guerrero and the WGTT on Smackdown - push him to the moon, because people want to see him even when he's being treated as second-rate. Mark Jindrak -1,091,000 -181,830 Expected. Kane +3,774,000 +251,600 As someone who is pushed to the moon (at least until Shane the Barbarian showed his wrath), these are decent numbers. Similar to an Angle/Brock, he was just under the top tier. Gail Kim +1,413,000 +235,500 Total shock of all shocks. She sucks, but gets ratings. So, the obvious answer is to make her a valet. Rodney Mack -1,983,000 -180,270 The joke is played out already, but people don't back the Mack. Get him off the TV. Since Mark Henry is not listed, he's probably in the same category as Mack, so get him off too. Maven -1,029,000 -114,330 Being pushed, but not drawing at all. Shawn Michaels +2,396,000 +266,220 Decent numbers, but he gets pushed better than Jericho and gets worse numbers. Kevin Nash +1,575,000 +143,180 The main eventer for two PPVs before leaving for an injury got numbers that are laughable for someone who was at the top of the card. Randy Orton +1,413,000 +88,310 These numbers are way below his push level. La Resistance -745,000 -41,390 Not good for tag champs during part of the time period. Rosey -1,092,000 -156,000 Not pushed at all, so it's expected. Scott Steiner +306,000 +30,600 Lance Storm +413,000 +41,300 Not bad for either, especially Storm after that terrible gimmick. Trish Stratus -965,000 -96,500 How this is possible, and Gail Kim got so high, is ridiculous. Booker T -424,000 -70,670 People wanted to see Booker before WrestleMania, and now they don't. But this is kinda indicitive of his push level - getting beat by the heel and needing Austin to reverse the decision every week is not what people want to see. No excuses other than that though, because this number is not good at all. Also proves he isn't a Jericho/Benoit/Guerrero that people want to see in spite of a push. Test -1,174,000 -117,400 Push should warrant at least positive numbers. Rob Van Dam +747,000 +53,360 Most of these are probably from the ladder match main event. Otherwise, he's similar to Booker T except he didn't get the short hand of a feud with Christian in the same way Booker did. But (this may sound like a backhanded compliment, but not really), these numbers aren't bad. Just not good, and proves RVD is not someone like Jericho/Benoit/Guerrero that people want to see despite the push. Jason
Guest THE MIGHTY THOR Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 Chris Jericho +7,071,000 +261,890 HHH +6,944,000 +408,470 Rob Van Dam +747,000 +53,360 Poor RVD Jericho appears on the show more times than RVD, either he is cutting a long promo/the highlight reel or in a match or sometimes you see him in skits with Bischoff or Austin, RVD gets a match, maybe a main event match every now and then but he rarely gets to cut promos or skits, and HHH appears on RAW on almost every segment, even when he is not around he still appears on the show.For a guy that's been misused so bad RVD is lucky he's still got any viewers left.
AndrewTS Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 Trish Stratus -965,000 -96,500 How this is possible, and Gail Kim got so high, is ridiculous. "Hey Jethro, lookie here! That stupid Chinese girl who fucks up all her moves is on rasslin' now! This is funny, check it out!" Although when you say "got so high" I get the amusing mental picture of Gail smoking a bowl with RVD.
ISportsFan Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 Trish Stratus -965,000 -96,500 How this is possible, and Gail Kim got so high, is ridiculous. "Hey Jethro, lookie here! That stupid Chinese girl who fucks up all her moves is on rasslin' now! This is funny, check it out!" Although when you say "got so high" I get the amusing mental picture of Gail smoking a bowl with RVD. I'd edit some of it, but trying to edit a post with 20000000 quotes in it is suicide. It goes into HTML mode, and I'll be darned if I know that. Jason
Guest TheGame2705 Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 I ordered everything and found out the number of segments. I haven't analyzed it yet. Take from it what you will. Smackdown --------------------------------------- Total Viewers Vince McMahon 11263000 Zach Gowen 7269000 Stephanie McMahon 6201000 Kurt Angle 6032000 Brock Lesnar 5879000 Eddy Guerrero 4966000 Charlie Haas 4787000 Big Show 3895000 Hulk Hogan 3746000 Chris Benoit 3425000 Shelton Benjamin 3350000 Undertaker 2265000 Billy Gunn 1676000 Rhyno 1181000 Tajiri 1166000 Rey Misterio 1106000 Basham Brothers 439000 A-Train 350000 John Cena 322000 Matt Hardy 243000 Jamie Noble 65000 Spanky 51000 FBI -188000 Shannon Moore -250000 Torrie Wilson -284000 Rikishi -443000 Nidia -444000 Average Viewers Per Segment Vince McMahon 625720 Stephanie McMahon 620100 Zach Gowen 484600 Hulk Hogan 468250 Kurt Angle 402130 Brock Lesnar 326610 Chris Benoit 311360 Eddy Guerrero 310375 Shelton Benjamin 304545 Big Show 299620 Charlie Haas 299190 Billy Gunn 279330 Undertaker 226500 Rhyno 131220 Rey Misterio 100550 Tajiri 89690 A-Train 70000 Basham Brothers 43900 John Cena 22130 Matt Hardy 20250 Spanky 12750 Jamie Noble 8130 FBI -29500 Shannon Moore -50000 Torrie Wilson -56800 Rikishi -110750 Nidia -111000 Number of Segments Vince McMahon 18 Brock Lesnar 18 Eddy Guerrero 16 Charlie Haas 16 Kurt Angle 15 Zach Gowen 15 John Cena 15 Tajiri 13 Big Show 13 Matt Hardy 12 Chris Benoit 11 Shelton Benjamin 11 Rey Misterio 11 Basham Brothers 10 Stephanie McMahon 10 Undertaker 10 Rhyno 9 Hulk Hogan 8 Jamie Noble 8 FBI 6 Billy Gunn 6 A-Train 5 Shannon Moore 5 Torrie Wilson 5 Nidia 4 Rikishi 4 Spanky 4 RAW ---------------------------------- Total Viewers Chris Jericho 7071000 HHH 6944000 Steve Austin 6873000 Bill Goldberg 6833000 Ric Flair 5078000 Kane 3774000 Mick Foley 2870000 Eric Bischoff 2671000 Shawn Michaels 2396000 Christian 2245000 Kevin Nash 1575000 Gail Kim 1413000 Randy Orton 1413000 Rob Van Dam 747000 Lance Storm 413000 Scott Steiner 306000 Molly Holly 46000 Garrison Cade -163000 Dudleys -412000 Booker T -424000 Spike Dudley -707000 La Resistance -745000 Hurricane -900000 Trish Stratus -965000 Maven -1029000 Mark Jindrak -1091000 Rosey -1092000 Test -1174000 Rodney Mack -1983000 Average Per Segment Mick Foley 574000 Steve Austin 429560 Bill Goldberg 427060 HHH 408470 Eric Bischoff 381570 Ric Flair 282110 Shawn Michaels 266220 Chris Jericho 261890 Kane 251600 Gail Kim 235500 Kevin Nash 143180 Christian 132060 Randy Orton 88310 Rob Van Dam 53360 Lance Storm 41300 Scott Steiner 30600 Molly Holly 5110 Garrison Cade -27170 Dudleys -37450 La Resistance -41390 Hurricane -69230 Booker T -70670 Trish Stratus -96500 Maven -114330 Test -117400 Spike Dudley -117830 Rosey -156000 Rodney Mack -180270 Mark Jindrak -181830 Number of Segments Chris Jericho 27 Ric Flair 18 La Resistance 18 HHH 17 Christian 17 Randy Orton 16 Bill Goldberg 16 Steve Austin 16 Kane 15 Rob Van Dam 14 Hurricane 13 Dudleys 11 Rodney Mack 11 Kevin Nash 11 Lance Storm 10 Scott Steiner 10 Test 10 Trish Stratus 10 Molly Holly 9 Maven 9 Shawn Michaels 9 Eric Bischoff 7 Rosey 7 Spike Dudley 6 Mark Jindrak 6 Gail Kim 6 Booker T 6 Garrison Cade 6 Mick Foley 5
Guest ToddRoyal Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 I think its hillarious how people are spinning these numbers. When Benoit/Eddy/Jericho get +250/+350 its all "YA! See, I TOLD you they were draws!" but when RVD, Booker T or another midcarded with an equal push gets +50/-50 its like "Well, they weren't pushed enough!" I mean I like Booker T and all (I don't like RVD, but thats another story), but you can't say his push was signifcantly less than Benoit. In the same way, Matt Hardy wasn't pushed dramatically less than Christian (both were upper mid-carders with joke title reigns) but his dramatically lower numbers are explained away. Not all "smark darlings" are draws, whether we like it or not. I think we should be thrilled that Benoit, Guerrero, WGTT etc are draws and not try to rationalize guys like Booker T and RVD into something they're not. On another note, this does prove that huge pops don't always equal ratings. RVD, Hurricane, Trish and even Rikishi get huge reactions from live crowds, but obviouslt aren't something home viewers want to see.
Guest Anglesault Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 My problem isn't with Angle it's with Brock to be honest. Brock was given an undeserving push right from the get go, didn't deliver in buyrates or TV ratings or in the ring. Angle's shown he isn't worthless. When Angle got pushed, he got heat. It took Brock from March to November to get heat and after defeating Hogan, Taker, The Rock, both Hardyz, and RVD. Brock also got the World title 5 mos. into his reign. It's still not fair to blame Mania on him. Mania was based and sold completely on McMahon/Hogan.
Guest Mulatto Heat Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 So so so much to say here. First off, thanks unleashedfury for posting this. I've been waiting for something like this for quite awhile. Kahran is right in that SD's ratings correlate better with who is getting pushed or not, while RAW it is very unpredictable. Gee, more vindication of sorts for me not having a use for the show. The dropkick boyz doing horribly? As well as the Dudleyz and the Frenchiez? GASP! Test in the negatives column and Steiner the lowest of those in the positives? Great! Kane's numbers are mediocre considering what he was drawing during the summer - boy, Shane fucked him up good. Orton and Nash's poor numbers don't justify their positions. Bischoff and Flair were losing viewers around this time last year (Flair especially), so at least it's good for them to do a 180. Let's see, Benoit draws better than Taker, Cena, Matt, Eddy, Rey, and Show. Gee, I thought he was SUPPOSED to be ratings death. Guess that just doesn't apply now, hmm? Keep in mind that this period included his "losing streak phase". Hopefully this will shut a few detractors up and if not, I'll be remembering this for a long time anyway.
ISportsFan Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 I think its hillarious how people are spinning these numbers. When Benoit/Eddy/Jericho get +250/+350 its all "YA! See, I TOLD you they were draws!" but when RVD, Booker T or another midcarded with an equal push gets +50/-50 its like "Well, they weren't pushed enough!" I mean I like Booker T and all (I don't like RVD, but thats another story), but you can't say his push was signifcantly less than Benoit. In the same way, Matt Hardy wasn't pushed dramatically less than Christian (both were upper mid-carders with joke title reigns) but his dramatically lower numbers are explained away. Not all "smark darlings" are draws, whether we like it or not. I think we should be thrilled that Benoit, Guerrero, WGTT etc are draws and not try to rationalize guys like Booker T and RVD into something they're not. On another note, this does prove that huge pops don't always equal ratings. RVD, Hurricane, Trish and even Rikishi get huge reactions from live crowds, but obviouslt aren't something home viewers want to see. I don't think I made any excuses. I clearly said when someone didn't do as well as they should have, that they are not up to expectations. Some of those people may have reasonings behind them, though. I think Booker's push was less than Benoit, actually. Benoit was treated horribly (well worse than he should be, actually), but Booker was put in an IC title feud, and eventually won it after some crappy ways of keeping the title on Christian. So, what happens after that? Booker keeps the title by using Dusty finishes (aka heel tactics) after Christian beats him pretty fairly numerous times. What kind of person wants to watch that? At least Benoit, while facing lugs like A-Train and being depushed, still kept his dignity in feuds. Of course, no matter how it happened, people don't want to really see Booker T anymore. They DID before WrestleMania, but not anymore. RVD is similar to Benoit, and even got more segments than Benoit. No "excuses" for RVD other than getting buried by HHH last year. People just don't really want to see him anymore. It's not really his fault, but it is what it is. Jason
Guest Anglesault Posted October 19, 2003 Report Posted October 19, 2003 Let's see, Benoit draws better than Taker, Cena, Matt, Eddy, Rey, and Show. Aren't Eddy's over all numbers better?
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