the jericho/trish angle

[Guest robvandam420]

he got the standing o because he can work like no other. he cannot draw though. he doesn't have the charisma.

How would they know?

 

THEY'VE NEVER TRIED PUTTING HIM AS A MAJOR FOCUS!!!!

 

Maybe if they TRIED it, it COULD be successful.

 

Not saying it WOULD, but we'll never know until someone takes a risk!

they did, when he debuted and headlined against the rock. something from that fued made vince lose faith in him. and by now, his character is not credible enough to make a major impact. i suppose it could be done but they would really have to push him hard and out of no where. and he would need a mouthpiece.

They threw Benoit out there with little build up and little backstory and everyone knew he wasn't going to win. That's not trying that's just half-assing it.

 

During Benoit's run with Angle earlier this year they could have had Benoit win the title from him and atleast given it a try. He had a great build up with Angle. The matches had good heat. He got a freakin standing O from the match so what do you think would happen if his run with Angle had ended with him winning the title from him?

he doesn't have enough charisma to be champ. they used benoit where he should be used: making high profile matches exactly what they should be, good. some guys are used for their mic work, and some for their in ring work. benoit is used for in ring only (he's fueding with a train for christ sake). i agree with them. he doesn't have all the tools to be champ.

its called knowing the business. maybe thats why hhh is always saying you guys have no right to an opinion. you need to think deeper and for the long term here. this is not only entertainment, its a business. for any of you to say you can run that business better than the king himself is just downright ignorant. you guys read into what keller and them say too much.

LISTEN YOU STUPID STUPID MAN.

You say we have no idea about the business. And you(who are thinking along the same lines as the WWE) are saying that your ideas work. BUT THEY AREN'T DRAWING. Buyrates and Ratings reflect this. So YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

Man it's like talking to a brick wall.

im far from stupid. i know how bussinesses work, especially this one. you dont seem to realize that you wont know whos right and whos wrong until they change the format to your liking. but what i do know is that shock tv is what won the monday night wars for vince, so go figure retard boy.

[chaosrage 0]

He didn't lose faith in Benoit. Benoit went on to beat Jericho at SS, face Angle at WM, and there was one awesome time in the summer of 2001 where he was the number 1 face in the company. He looked like he was on the verge of getting the world title from Austin. He was so over that you knew if it didn't happen in one month, it was definitely about to happen soon. The problem? He got injured and the brain donors in charge of the WWE brought him back as a heel.

 

He has in ring charisma, that's what made people cheer him. It's too bad we have no way of knowing if he would have been a draw or not because they wouldn't take a chance on him. Worse, it's almost like they purposely brought him down because they weren't ready for the response he got. Whatever you think about Benoit, it doesn't matter if you think he's world title material or not, doing absolutely nothing with him after the Royal Rumble is just simply moronic, period.

Edited October 26, 2003 by chaosrage

[Zack Malibu 0]

Benoit doesn't have enough charisma to be champ? Charisma is more than cutting a promo, and while he might not have MIC SKILLS of a Rock or Austin, the man has enough of an in-ring presence that just earlier this year, he earned himself a standing ovation along with Kurt Angle at the Royal Rumble.

 

Also, Brock is a monster. Benoit is a badass. There is a difference. If they pushed Benoit as the guy who CAN Cripple you at will, then I'm pretty sure he'd be just as big a heel as the "Manster" or whatever lameass name they dub Brock this week.

[Damaramu 0]

Hmmmm...don't know who's right. Well I know YOU ARE WRONG. Because the spit you are spouting hasn't drawn ratings or buyrates for about 2 years. So at least we know you are wrong.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I may not know the business, but I know from watching that every successful storyline and feud was built off something simple and down to earth.

 

Shock TV is only good for temporary spikes in the ratings. When it all boils down to it the only way WWE will fix things is to go back to the basics and to seriously push people.

 

It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure it out.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

im far from stupid. i know how bussinesses work, especially this one. you dont seem to realize that you wont know whos right and whos wrong until they change the format to your liking. but what i do know is that shock tv is what won the monday night wars for vince, so go figure retard boy.

Wasn't one of your arguments about how times have changed?

 

Well, times have changed from the times of the Monday Night Wars. What worked THEN isn't working NOW.

 

Hence why whatever they try now is NOT helping them boost their status anymore.

 

A new direction is needed. I'm not saying that the direction suggested by everyone here is the RIGHT one, but it COULD be.

 

The thing is the willingness to give new things a try. That's how the New Generation came to be. That's how the Attitude Era came to be.

 

And that's how another new era will come to be.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

im far from stupid. i know how bussinesses work, especially this one.  you dont seem to realize that you wont know whos right and whos wrong until they change the format to your liking. but what i do know is that shock tv is what won the monday night wars for vince, so go figure retard boy.

I'd be more pressed to say that Austin/McMahon and DX helped win the ratings war. Sure DX was shock tv, but it was shock tv done well. "Choppy choppy your pee pee" didn't win the Monday night wars and neither did "oh god you have a penis!"

 

Now...shock tv has ran its course and no one seems to care anymore, which is evident in the ratings and general apathy of the casual fans.

[Guest robvandam420]

Hmmmm...don't know who's right. Well I know YOU ARE WRONG. Because the spit you are spouting hasn't drawn ratings or buyrates for about 2 years. So at least we know you are wrong.

whatever you say man.... maybe some people have found better things to do. the only way your kind of fueds work is with the presantation of kayfabe. its out the window. the product has no choice but to evolve. what i dont understand is why you still watch despite disliking the product. is your life really that pathetic and empty?

[Guest robvandam420]

im far from stupid. i know how bussinesses work, especially this one.  you dont seem to realize that you wont know whos right and whos wrong until they change the format to your liking. but what i do know is that shock tv is what won the monday night wars for vince, so go figure retard boy.

Wasn't one of your arguments about how times have changed?

 

Well, times have changed from the times of the Monday Night Wars. What worked THEN isn't working NOW.

 

Hence why whatever they try now is NOT helping them boost their status anymore.

 

A new direction is needed. I'm not saying that the direction suggested by everyone here is the RIGHT one, but it COULD be.

 

The thing is the willingness to give new things a try. That's how the New Generation came to be. That's how the Attitude Era came to be.

 

And that's how another new era will come to be.

yes, something NEW. what you guys want is old school. no one else wants that.

[chaosrage 0]

im far from stupid. i know how bussinesses work, especially this one.  you dont seem to realize that you wont know whos right and whos wrong until they change the format to your liking. but what i do know is that shock tv is what won the monday night wars for vince, so go figure retard boy.

Wasn't one of your arguments about how times have changed?

 

Well, times have changed from the times of the Monday Night Wars. What worked THEN isn't working NOW.

 

Hence why whatever they try now is NOT helping them boost their status anymore.

 

A new direction is needed. I'm not saying that the direction suggested by everyone here is the RIGHT one, but it COULD be.

 

The thing is the willingness to give new things a try. That's how the New Generation came to be. That's how the Attitude Era came to be.

 

And that's how another new era will come to be.

yes, something NEW. what you guys want is old school. no one else wants that.

Yes, actually, people do want that. That's why ratings are down.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

im far from stupid. i know how bussinesses work, especially this one.  you dont seem to realize that you wont know whos right and whos wrong until they change the format to your liking. but what i do know is that shock tv is what won the monday night wars for vince, so go figure retard boy.

Wasn't one of your arguments about how times have changed?

 

Well, times have changed from the times of the Monday Night Wars. What worked THEN isn't working NOW.

 

Hence why whatever they try now is NOT helping them boost their status anymore.

 

A new direction is needed. I'm not saying that the direction suggested by everyone here is the RIGHT one, but it COULD be.

 

The thing is the willingness to give new things a try. That's how the New Generation came to be. That's how the Attitude Era came to be.

 

And that's how another new era will come to be.

yes, something NEW. what you guys want is old school. no one else wants that.

And you want a return to the Attitude era.

 

What we want is GOOD storylines and GOOD wrestling blended well...minus a lot of the shock TV status that has run it's course.

 

And something new involves new main eventers. Besides Lesnar, who have we gotten as a NEW person to the top?

 

And that includes people who were briefly there but couldn't retain their status there.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Hmmmm...don't know who's right. Well I know YOU ARE WRONG. Because the spit you are spouting hasn't drawn ratings or buyrates for about 2 years. So at least we know you are wrong.

whatever you say man.... maybe some people have found better things to do. the only way your kind of fueds work is with the presantation of kayfabe. its out the window. the product has no choice but to evolve. what i dont understand is why you still watch despite disliking the product. is your life really that pathetic and empty?

No I don't think it needs Kayfabe. It didn't in 2000 and yet that was one of WWF's best years. It was also a lot tamer than '98-'99 as far as the adult nature.

 

People aren't stupid. They know it's all a show, but just like they want their favorite TV shows to be written well they also want wrestling to be.

[Guest robvandam420]

shock tv , if done right , would please even you guys. necrophelia is not the way to go however. if you want to watch wrestling without laughing or dropping your jaw then id say your pretty dull.

[Damaramu 0]

Hmmmm...don't know who's right. Well I know YOU ARE WRONG. Because the spit you are spouting hasn't drawn ratings or buyrates for about 2 years. So at least we know you are wrong.

whatever you say man.... maybe some people have found better things to do. the only way your kind of fueds work is with the presantation of kayfabe. its out the window. the product has no choice but to evolve. what i dont understand is why you still watch despite disliking the product. is your life really that pathetic and empty?

No...it's because I'm a wrestling fan and I'm holding out that there will be something better. Plus a good wrestling match manages to slip through every once in a while....don't want to miss that. Also usually as history has shown me...when I don't watch the product.....something good happens. I stopped watching in 94...the Bret/Owen cage match happened. I missed a few shows in 2001...ECW returned. I tuned in at the end...and Stephanie became owner of ECW. Maybe I shouldn't watch at all...then we'd have good TV.

And it's funny that we are telling you that this crap DOES NOT DRAW! Yes everyone did find something better to do...because they don't care about the crap on TV. It's not drawing ratings because NOBODY cares. Hell I don't care. It takes me 5 minutes to watch RAW or SD! because I tape it....put it on before I go to bed and fast forward through the crap.

[Guest robvandam420]

im far from stupid. i know how bussinesses work, especially this one.  you dont seem to realize that you wont know whos right and whos wrong until they change the format to your liking. but what i do know is that shock tv is what won the monday night wars for vince, so go figure retard boy.

Wasn't one of your arguments about how times have changed?

 

Well, times have changed from the times of the Monday Night Wars. What worked THEN isn't working NOW.

 

Hence why whatever they try now is NOT helping them boost their status anymore.

 

A new direction is needed. I'm not saying that the direction suggested by everyone here is the RIGHT one, but it COULD be.

 

The thing is the willingness to give new things a try. That's how the New Generation came to be. That's how the Attitude Era came to be.

 

And that's how another new era will come to be.

yes, something NEW. what you guys want is old school. no one else wants that.

Yes, actually, people do want that. That's why ratings are down.

whats makes you so sure that your answer is the solution? you guys say that shock tv used to work, but wont now. well old school used to work, and im saying it wont now. people are too smart to care anymore. they want real entertainment also.

[Damaramu 0]

shock tv , if done right , would please even you guys. necrophelia is not the way to go however. if you want to watch wrestling without laughing or dropping your jaw then id say your pretty dull.

I do drop my jaw....at good matches. I watch to be wowed by a good wrestling match and good storylines. I don't watch to laugh my ass off and feel sorry for some guy because his women is sleeping with this guy who is feuding with this guy because this guy spilled coffee on this dude over here who was set on fire who is actually an alien from another planet.

[Damaramu 0]

im far from stupid. i know how bussinesses work, especially this one.  you dont seem to realize that you wont know whos right and whos wrong until they change the format to your liking. but what i do know is that shock tv is what won the monday night wars for vince, so go figure retard boy.

Wasn't one of your arguments about how times have changed?

 

Well, times have changed from the times of the Monday Night Wars. What worked THEN isn't working NOW.

 

Hence why whatever they try now is NOT helping them boost their status anymore.

 

A new direction is needed. I'm not saying that the direction suggested by everyone here is the RIGHT one, but it COULD be.

 

The thing is the willingness to give new things a try. That's how the New Generation came to be. That's how the Attitude Era came to be.

 

And that's how another new era will come to be.

yes, something NEW. what you guys want is old school. no one else wants that.

Yes, actually, people do want that. That's why ratings are down.

whats makes you so sure that your answer is the solution? you guys say that shock tv used to work, but wont now. well old school used to work, and im saying it wont now. people are too smart to care anymore. they want real entertainment also.

Yes but the difference here is....what you are saying may work and we are saying won't...ISN'T WORKING. It's what they are doing now and guess what IT DOES NOT WORK! Are you just stupid? Can you not read? Do you not see what everyone is telling you? Are you not paying attention to ratings or buyrates!?

Oh and for the record...what we are suggesting did work. In 2000. I doubt it's changed enough in 2 years for this not to work.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

shock tv , if done right , would please even you guys. necrophelia is not the way to go however. if you want to watch wrestling without laughing or dropping your jaw then id say your pretty dull.

The problem is WWE hasn't been doing it right. Even shock tv needs to have a method behind its madness. It still needs good storylines and something that people can relate to.

 

That is what we're talking about. We're not calling for a revival of "old school" we're calling for a revival of "common sense" and good writing!

[Guest robvandam420]

im far from stupid. i know how bussinesses work, especially this one.  you dont seem to realize that you wont know whos right and whos wrong until they change the format to your liking. but what i do know is that shock tv is what won the monday night wars for vince, so go figure retard boy.

Wasn't one of your arguments about how times have changed?

 

Well, times have changed from the times of the Monday Night Wars. What worked THEN isn't working NOW.

 

Hence why whatever they try now is NOT helping them boost their status anymore.

 

A new direction is needed. I'm not saying that the direction suggested by everyone here is the RIGHT one, but it COULD be.

 

The thing is the willingness to give new things a try. That's how the New Generation came to be. That's how the Attitude Era came to be.

 

And that's how another new era will come to be.

yes, something NEW. what you guys want is old school. no one else wants that.

Yes, actually, people do want that. That's why ratings are down.

whats makes you so sure that your answer is the solution? you guys say that shock tv used to work, but wont now. well old school used to work, and im saying it wont now. people are too smart to care anymore. they want real entertainment also.

Yes but the difference here is....what you are saying may work and we are saying won't...ISN'T WORKING. It's what they are doing now and guess what IT DOES NOT WORK! Are you just stupid? Can you not read? Do you not see what everyone is telling you? Are you not paying attention to ratings or buyrates!?

Oh and for the record...what we are suggesting did work. In 2000. I doubt it's changed enough in 2 years for this not to work.

old school fueds is what made the wwf wcw's personal bitch for so long on the ratings. wwf was being too fundamental, and the average viewer didn't care. wcw changed the business with the nwo and their subsequent skits and such. vince then added a twist and came out on top. without inovation, your stuckin the past. so stop arguing about your stuupid ass old school fueds that worked so well in the 80's and early 90's. times have changed, and so has american television. if wrestling doesn't evolve with media as a whole, there is no way in hell they will float.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

So...how about them Jericho and Trish?

[Guest robvandam420]

shock tv , if done right , would please even you guys. necrophelia is not the way to go however. if you want to watch wrestling without  laughing or dropping your jaw then id say your pretty dull.

The problem is WWE hasn't been doing it right. Even shock tv needs to have a method behind its madness. It still needs good storylines and something that people can relate to.

 

That is what we're talking about. We're not calling for a revival of "old school" we're calling for a revival of "common sense" and good writing!

i agree. but to much common sense ties your hands in what you can do, i for one give them poetic license to entertain me. i like the kane storyline alot. i just cant stand how shane'o, someone i could beat up, is going over on kane and making kane look like a chump. its fucking rediculous.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

old school fueds is what made the wwf wcw's personal bitch for so long on the ratings. wwf was being too fundamental, and the average viewer didn't care. wcw changed the business with the nwo and their subsequent skits and such. vince then added a twist and came out on top. without inovation, your stuckin the past. so stop arguing about your stuupid ass old school fueds that worked so well in the 80's and early 90's. times have changed, and so has american television. if wrestling doesn't evolve with media as a whole, there is no way in hell they will float.

Except for the fact that what WCW was doing....made sense and actually still followed the patterns we're talking about.

 

Like I said above we're not calling for a return of old school we're just asking for some good writing!!

[Guest robvandam420]

So...how about them Jericho and Trish?

i hope he plays her or gets her into an abusive relationship. jericho would end up in the me again, because he would have so much heat on top of what he has now that they would have no choice.

[Guest robvandam420]

old school fueds is what made the wwf wcw's personal bitch for so long on the ratings.  wwf was being too fundamental, and the average viewer didn't care.  wcw changed the business with the nwo and their subsequent skits and such. vince then added a twist and came out on top. without inovation, your stuckin the past. so stop arguing about your stuupid ass old school fueds that worked so well in the 80's and early 90's. times have changed, and so has american television. if wrestling doesn't evolve with media as  a whole, there is no way in hell they will float.

Except for the fact that what WCW was doing....made sense and actually still followed the patterns we're talking about.

 

Like I said above we're not calling for a return of old school we're just asking for some good writing!!

im talkin about damaga, not everyone. if he ran a promotion, it would be done in a month.

[Guest TonyJaymzV1]

You know, I hate hearing about how Benoit has no charisma.

 

Dude, Charisma isn't just catchphrases and promos, and shit.

 

Benoit is one of, if not, the most respected characters in the WWE. Everything has built Benoit up as a Veteran who loves the business, a family man, basically just someone everyones respects and cares for. That standing O wasn't because it was a damn good match, that standing O was because everyone knew that Benoit wanted that title so badly, and had come this short. They knew he deserved it, and they all wanted him to have it.

 

Oh and you tricked the secatery? Wheres that Bullshit meter? So your a physics student who writes fantasy wrestling storylines, who also happens to find out WWE employee phone numbers, and try and get a job as a consultant?

 

And then you have the gall to basically say your the hot shit?

 

Listen, fucker, you were no where near being a writer, if you even got a chance. First off, right now, the WWE is only accepting applications from those with Soap Opera experiance. Not only that, but no company in their right mind would hire someone to be a writer with no formal writing education. It doesn't happen, especially not with a major corporation. And since you would be writimng the promos out for the wrestlers, how bout giving us a promo you worte? Actually, fuck that, how about you show u s a script, not a log line, not a synopsis, but a script. I want to see it, because I know your full of shit, and it pisses me off how your saying your a damn good writer, on a message board full of some damn great writers.

 

Basically, fuck off kid.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

So...how about them Jericho and Trish?

i hope he plays her or gets her into an abusive relationship. jericho would end up in the me again, because he would have so much heat on top of what he has now that they would have no choice.

You want Jericho to be in the Main Event because he's a woman beater??? First off that would make absolutely zero sense and would just confuse the fans to the point where they probably wouldn't care. So they probably wouldn't put that much heat on Jericho.

 

Jericho is doing all this to show that he's right and Austin is wrong. If Jericho were to turn and beat up Trish it would confuse things so badly that the fans would just become apathetic to the whole thing.

[the pinjockey 0]

I haven't gone back through the thread, but has anyone made the suggestion of capitalization yet?

 

It would be your friend and actually get people to a.) read the thread and b.) take you seriously.

[bobobrazil1984 0]

I actually found the "awkward moment" between Jericho and Trish to be pretty funny... for reasons I'm not sure of, but the segment just made me laugh, in a more subtle-funny way. There's potential for a good angle there.

 

POTENTIAL. Something which RAW writers don't exactly have a reputation of capitalizing on. But Jericho's so entertaining that he can make average angles pretty good.

[chaosrage 0]

old school fueds is what made the wwf wcw's personal bitch for so long on the ratings.  wwf was being too fundamental, and the average viewer didn't care.  wcw changed the business with the nwo and their subsequent skits and such. vince then added a twist and came out on top. without inovation, your stuckin the past. so stop arguing about your stuupid ass old school fueds that worked so well in the 80's and early 90's. times have changed, and so has american television. if wrestling doesn't evolve with media as  a whole, there is no way in hell they will float.

Who's talking about early 90s? We're saying 98-00. Vince didn't win ratings with shock TV. Vince won ratings with Austin/McMahon and by building up intriging characters and making people care about simple storylines. Shock TV is what Russo used on WCW near it's death. He thought like you and decided people only wanted to be surprised. Well here's a surprise for you. Come to find out, no one really gave a shit! 2000 in WWE had relatively little shock TV in comparison to 99 and whatever garbage Russo was doing at the time and it was the best year for the company.

[Guest robvandam420]

You know, I hate hearing about how Benoit has no charisma.

 

Dude, Charisma isn't just catchphrases and promos, and shit.

 

Benoit is one of, if not, the most respected characters in the WWE. Everything has built Benoit up as a Veteran who loves the business, a family man, basically just someone everyones respects and cares for. That standing O wasn't because it was a damn good match, that standing O was because everyone knew that Benoit wanted that title so badly, and had come this short. They knew he deserved it, and they all wanted him to have it.

 

Oh and you tricked the secatery? Wheres that Bullshit meter? So your a physics student who writes fantasy wrestling storylines, who also happens to find out WWE employee phone numbers, and try and get a job as a consultant?

 

And then you have the gall to basically say your the hot shit?

 

Listen, fucker, you were no where near being a writer, if you even got a chance. First off, right now, the WWE is only accepting applications from those with Soap Opera experiance. Not only that, but no company in their right mind would hire someone to be a writer with no formal writing education. It doesn't happen, especially not with a major corporation. And since you would be writimng the promos out for the wrestlers, how bout giving us a promo you worte? Actually, fuck that, how about you show u s a script, not a log line, not a synopsis, but a script. I want to see it, because I know your full of shit, and it pisses me off how your saying your a damn good writer, on a message board full of some damn great writers.

 

Basically, fuck off kid.

hahaha. kid? show me some of your damn good writing and maybe ill show you mine. when it comes to writing character specfic promos, you probably stand a snowballs chance in hell. and your right, i dont have formal experiance. im just a creative guy that know the bussiness and can contribute worthy ideas. if your ideas were good, maybe they would take the internet fans more seriously. but i dont blame them because your head is up your ass.