Fantasy Football opinions

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Ok I have some trade offers on the table and I'm curious as to what you guys think. Here's my roster first:

 

QB: Matt Hasselbeck, Rich Gannon

RB: Priest Holmes, William Green, Kevin Faulk, Duce Staley

WR: Chad Johnson, Eric Moulds, Reggie Wayne, Amani Toomer, Jimmy Smith

TE: Randy McMichael

K: Ryan Longwell, Kris Brown

Def: Kansas City, Baltimore

 

Trade offers:

Kris Brown, Eric Moulds and William Green for Troy Hambrick, Ashley Lelie and David Akers

Duce Staley, Reggie Wayne and Baltimore for Kevin Barlow, Lavernous Coles and Pittsburgh

Rich Gannon and Kevin Faulk for Tiki Barber and Donovan McNabb

[razazteca 0]

Go for the Tiki trade

[Guest El Satanico]

Duce Staley, Reggie Wayne and Baltimore for Kevin Barlow, Lavernous Coles and Pittsburgh

Rich Gannon and Kevin Faulk for Tiki Barber and Donovan McNabb

I'd take both of these.

 

Has KC had their bye and are there any FA defenses better than Pittsburgh? If you answered yes to either of those questions then don't worry about trading Baltimore's defense away.

[LaParkaMarka 0]

I agree with Satanico here. Those trades definately improve your team. Lav Coles is a great WR, Tiki is good, and Mcnabb is showing improvement and makes for a good backup.

[Der Kommissar 0]

I have a quick question of my own here. In one of my leagues, there is a huge debate going around about this trade that keeps getting proposed: Ladanian Tomlinson for Moe Williams and Anquin(sp?) Boldin.

 

Anyway, as Commissioner, I keep rejecting the trade because two people think it's a lopsided trade, and I tend to agree with him.

 

So, I felt I should ask a neutral opinion on this: Am I overrating LT? Am I underrating Williams and Boldin? Is the trade fair or as bad as I think it is? I just don't see how this trade could be a fair one.

[Dr. Tom 0]

Am I overrating LT?

Not at all. He's the nut high.

 

Am I underrating Williams and Boldin?

Nope. Williams isn't a top-tier back, and Boldin is still young and unproven, though he shows a lot of promise, and he plays for a shitty team.

 

Is the trade fair or as bad as I think it is?

I don't think it's fair at all. In your place, I'd probably veto it as well. A top-5 running back like LT should command a top-tier receiver and a decent RB in return. You have the decent RB in Williams, but there's no way anyone's going to convince me that Boldin is a top-tier receiver so early in his career. Even in a keeper league, I don't like this deal.

[Dr. Tom 0]

Kris Brown, Eric Moulds and William Green for Troy Hambrick, Ashley Lelie and David Akers

No way. You're giving up too much and not getting enough in return.

 

Duce Staley, Reggie Wayne and Baltimore for Kevin Barlow, Lavernous Coles and Pittsburgh

I like Coles, and I think Barlow could do well if SF would actually let him play over Hearst. I'm not a fan of Pittsburgh's D at all this year, though. The "steel curtain" has rusted out. If the defenses have to be involved, I'd reject the trade.

 

Rich Gannon and Kevin Faulk for Tiki Barber and Donovan McNabb

Yes. Gannon sucks this year and plays for an old, lousy team, and Barber > Faulk.

[Guest BobbyWhioux]

Mad Dog: Pull the trigger on that third trade. Gannon's going down and McNabb is coming up. Get it now before the other guy comes to his senses and takes that trade off the table and/or before your commish decides it's lopsided.

 

Second Trade: Eh, it's up to you. I think since Philly is platooning at RB now too, Staley is devalued enough that Barlow is an improvement. Don't think I'd give up Baltimore for Pittsburgh in terms of D though. Then again, I think Coles is an improvment over Reggie Wayne. And you do have K.C.'s D, they've had their bye this week, and they've looked good so far. Maybe you can afford to unload Baltimore after all.

 

Don't bother with trade one unless you REALLY wanna unload Kris Brown that badly.

[Guest MikeSC]

Ok I have some trade offers on the table and I'm curious as to what you guys think. Here's my roster first:

 

QB: Matt Hasselbeck, Rich Gannon

RB: Priest Holmes, William Green, Kevin Faulk, Duce Staley

WR: Chad Johnson, Eric Moulds, Reggie Wayne, Amani Toomer, Jimmy Smith

TE: Randy McMichael

K: Ryan Longwell, Kris Brown

Def: Kansas City, Baltimore

Trade offers:

Kris Brown, Eric Moulds and William Green for Troy Hambrick, Ashley Lelie and David Akers

 

No. Dallas' offense really isn't too good and they're about to hit a tough part of the schedule, so Hambrick --- who wasn't exactly impressive --- is a definite no-go. Lelie is a really good WR, but does Denver have a healthy QB?

 

Moulds, should Buffalo EVER get their offense together, will be the most valuable guy on this offer --- and Green will have to get yards because God knows Cleveland can't pass.

 

Duce Staley, Reggie Wayne and Baltimore for Kevin Barlow, Lavernous Coles and Pittsburgh

 

NO! The 'Skins passing "O" is hitting a wall and Coles' numbers are plummeting. Ditto Barlow, as the 49'ers can't do ANYTHING right now and his numbers will be killed. And Baltimore's running game alone will help keep their "D" off the field so they won't have the chance to give up yards and points, so getting rid of them for Pittsburgh --- whose defense is porous --- is a bad idea.

 

Rich Gannon and Kevin Faulk for Tiki Barber and Donovan McNabb

 

Take it. McNabb is a mediocre QB, but he's more mobile than Gannon, so he'll at least give you rushing yardage to make him worth your while. Barber is real solid as a RB, too, so I'd definitely jump ALL over this one. Gannon is not worth it.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

Am I overrating LT? 

Not at all. He's the nut high.

 

Gotta disagree. Tomlinson hasn't had too many good performances this year and with the shambles that the Chargers' passing attack is, he won't be getting huge numbers. He's good --- but he's not a top 5 guy now.

 

Am I underrating Williams and Boldin?

Nope. Williams isn't a top-tier back, and Boldin is still young and unproven, though he shows a lot of promise, and he plays for a shitty team.

 

Moe has better numbers, I think, than Tomlinson. He gets good rushing and receiving numbers almost every game and his offense being as good as it is helps.

 

Heck, I do the SportingNews' fantasy league and I dumped LT for Moe Williams. Huge salary was dropped, so I had enough money to get a good second QB and Williams has had darned good numbers.

 

Boldin is about as good a WR as there is, but he's not spectacular. However, THIS season, I think Williams is not much worse than LT.

 

Is the trade fair or as bad as I think it is?

I don't think it's fair at all. In your place, I'd probably veto it as well. A top-5 running back like LT should command a top-tier receiver and a decent RB in return. You have the decent RB in Williams, but there's no way anyone's going to convince me that Boldin is a top-tier receiver so early in his career. Even in a keeper league, I don't like this deal.

 

I'd allow this trade this season, simply because SD is SO bad offensively that LT's numbers are being killed.

-=Mike

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Take the Gannon trade.

 

Don't ask why...

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

The Gannon trades basically a given since Hasselbeck plays every week till the end of the season.

[Dr. Tom 0]

Moe has better numbers, I think, than Tomlinson. He gets good rushing and receiving numbers almost every game and his offense being as good as it is helps.

Tomlinson's Stats: 116 carries, 657 yards, 5.7 YPC, 3 TD. (6 games)

Williams' Stats: 105 carries, 508 yards, 4.8 YPC, 3 TD. (7 games)

 

LT has three touchdowns for a bad team. That's OK. Williams has three touchdowns for a team that just lost its first game. That's bad. Also, teams don't have to focus on Williams when playing the Vikings, since Culpepper and Moss are both potent offensive weapons. LT is the best threat San Diego has, and considering the bust that David Boston has been, defenses have been playing eight men in the box against the Chargers. Everyone knows Schottenheimer loves to run the ball, and LT is still up near 6.0 YPC. Sorry, Mike, but he's a damn good back, and it's hard for me to take anyone seriously when they say he's not among the top 5 backs in the NFL.

 

Also keep in mind that Williams, while talented, is only starting because of an injury to Michael Bennett, and the mediocrity of Onterrio Smith.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

I feel bad for whoever is getting Gannon in that trade. Given he COULD be out for the rest of the year, but is out for the next 2-3 weeks at least, they could probably just as easily pick up Tui (who will play vs Detroit and NYJ in the next two weeks) while sitting McNabb, and then by the time Gannon could come back, McNabb should be healthy and putting up good #s again.

[Guest MikeSC]

Moe has better numbers, I think, than Tomlinson. He gets good rushing and receiving numbers almost every game and his offense being as good as it is helps.

Tomlinson's Stats: 116 carries, 657 yards, 5.7 YPC, 3 TD. (6 games)

Williams' Stats: 105 carries, 508 yards, 4.8 YPC, 3 TD. (7 games)

 

LT has three touchdowns for a bad team. That's OK. Williams has three touchdowns for a team that just lost its first game. That's bad. Also, teams don't have to focus on Williams when playing the Vikings, since Culpepper and Moss are both potent offensive weapons. LT is the best threat San Diego has, and considering the bust that David Boston has been, defenses have been playing eight men in the box against the Chargers. Everyone knows Schottenheimer loves to run the ball, and LT is still up near 6.0 YPC. Sorry, Mike, but he's a damn good back, and it's hard for me to take anyone seriously when they say he's not among the top 5 backs in the NFL.

 

Also keep in mind that Williams, while talented, is only starting because of an injury to Michael Bennett, and the mediocrity of Onterrio Smith.

Ricky Williams, Jamal Lewis, Edgerrin James, Marshall Faulk, and Priest Holmes, honestly, smoke him. Clinton Portis is better. Corey Dillon is probably better, though he is a cancer.

 

That's 7 right there.

 

And Moe has the potential to get mucho points since Minnesota scores considerably more often than SD can hope to.

 

I'm not saying Williams is better than LT. I'm saying their respective situations makes Williams easily as valuable and worth as many points as Tomlinson this season.

-=Mike

[the pinjockey 0]

To even compare LT and Moe Williams is silly. First of all Williams isn't even getting 15 carries a game in the last month. And since week 3 his high game has been 70 yards. Throw in the fact that Minnesota scores through the air and that Michael Bennett's return is on the horizon.

 

Since week one, LT has only had one week of less than 90 yards.

 

And Edge, Faulk, and Dillon are not better than LT.

[Dr. Tom 0]

Ricky Williams, Jamal Lewis, Edgerrin James, Marshall Faulk, and Priest Holmes, honestly, smoke him. Clinton Portis is better. Corey Dillon is probably better, though he is a cancer.

In order: Yes, Yes, not a chance, no way, yes, they're about even, and no way.

 

Also keep in mind that JAMAL~!, while he's a fucking house who's always been a very good back, is seeing his stats helped by both his record-setting day and the inefficiency of Kyle Boller.

 

And Moe has the potential to get mucho points since Minnesota scores considerably more often than SD can hope to.

The dreaded P-word. So many fantasy owners pay dearly for it. For my money, LT is the better back in the real NFL, and the better back to have on a fantasy team.

 

I'm not saying Williams is better than LT. I'm saying their respective situations makes Williams easily as valuable and worth as many points as Tomlinson this season.

I think LT will have more points at the end of the season. He doesn't play in an offense that's nearly as good, but he is the star of that show, and as such, he won't have to share the points like Williams would. There's no Randy Moss in San Diego to haul in TD catches, and there's no Daunte Culpepper out there to smash the ball into the end zone on a QB draw.

[Guest MikeSC]

Ricky Williams, Jamal Lewis, Edgerrin James, Marshall Faulk, and Priest Holmes, honestly, smoke him. Clinton Portis is better. Corey Dillon is probably better, though he is a cancer.

In order: Yes, Yes, not a chance, no way, yes, they're about even, and no way.

 

Edgerrin James is an amazing back that is totally overshadowed by a phenomenal regular season passing game. And Marshall, when healthy, is still the most dangerous guy on the field. He's like Thurman Thomas in his prime --- a guy who won't blow you away with anything, but will simply suck up years like a Hoover.

 

And you can't honestly think that Priest and LT are equals. Holmes is the best player in the league. I don't think there is a close second. LT is not in his caliber. And Dillon is a gifted back --- just a royal pain in the BUTT. If I was a GM in the NFL, I'd be hesitant as heck to touch Corey. As a fantasy GM, I'd take him if the price was right (in my league, he's WAY too expensive, so he's not worth it --- then again, neither is LT).

 

Also keep in mind that JAMAL~!, while he's a fucking house who's always been a very good back, is seeing his stats helped by both his record-setting day and the inefficiency of Kyle Boller.

 

And LT had some HORRID games early on. I know, because I had him for the first two weeks and he was an absolute dud for me, so I dumped him. Jamal has avoided too many horrid games. My league is market-based (basically, you have so much money and you sign whomever you want as long as you're under the cap) and Jamal's numbers are close to LT's and he's worth much less money.

 

And Moe has the potential to get mucho points since Minnesota scores considerably more often than SD can hope to.

The dreaded P-word. So many fantasy owners pay dearly for it. For my money, LT is the better back in the real NFL, and the better back to have on a fantasy team.

 

Over the long haul, yes.

 

THIS season? No. He's not markedly better.

 

I'm not saying Williams is better than LT. I'm saying their respective situations makes Williams easily as valuable and worth as many points as Tomlinson this season.

I think LT will have more points at the end of the season. He doesn't play in an offense that's nearly as good, but he is the star of that show, and as such, he won't have to share the points like Williams would. There's no Randy Moss in San Diego to haul in TD catches, and there's no Daunte Culpepper out there to smash the ball into the end zone on a QB draw.

 

The fact that the Vikings CAN pass and tend to have leads gives Williams more of a chance to gain yardage than does LT, since SD seems to play from behind a lot.

-=Mike

[Dr. Tom 0]

Edgerrin James is an amazing back that is totally overshadowed by a phenomenal regular season passing game.

I'm unconvinced he's the same back he was before he got hurt.

 

And Marshall, when healthy, is still the most dangerous guy on the field.

I think the injuries are taking their toll. The Rams are doing pretty well without him, anyway.

 

And you can't honestly think that Priest and LT are equals.

I don't. I said it about Portis. Portis plays in a better offense and runs behind a better line, but I think in terms of talent, he and LT are very close.

 

I don't think there is a close second.

JAMAL~!

 

The fact that the Vikings CAN pass and tend to have leads gives Williams more of a chance to gain yardage than does LT, since SD seems to play from behind a lot.

True, but I still think the season will see LT finish with more points than Moe.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

Jamal Lewis is gonna have 2000 yards rushing this year. I think they only team that can hold him under 100 yards are Miami (Their Defense) and St. Louis (Ravens are gonna be behind early and rely on boller, and lose) , and the Ravens get Cleveland again. He already has 977 yards in 7 games. Unless he gets hurt (knock on wood) which is possible given the # of carries hes gonna see, I can't see him not hitting 2000 or really really close to it.

Edited October 28, 2003 by MarvinisaLunatic

[Dr. Tom 0]

Jamal Lewis is gonna have 2000 yards rushing this year.

Presuming he doesn't get hurt, it's a lead-pipe cinch.

[Guest MikeSC]

Jamal Lewis is gonna have 2000 yards rushing this year.

Presuming he doesn't get hurt, it's a lead-pipe cinch.

I honestly have doubts. Lewis is eventually going to get beaten up a little and teams will just stuff the box more and more. Until they learn to pass a little, the yardage will become harder and harder for Jamal. I never take a RB who is the ONLY weapon a team has. If Miami didn't have a decent passing game (they're not great, but they are competent), I'd be hesitant to touch Ricky.

 

Boller might be a decent QB in the future, but he's WAY over his head right now.

-=Mike

...Who think OaO threads should be eliminated from the forums altogether.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Well I ended up reworking the William Green/Troy Hambrick trade and went with it as well.

 

It ended up being a good move as just a few hours after it went through the news of Green getting busted for drugs hit the wires. Talk about luck.

[Guest El Satanico]

Well I would hardly call it "busted for drugs". It's misdemeaner possesion and only carries a $100 fine. The DUI is the only big deal from his run in with the law and it will likely end up as just a fine.

 

It won't affect him playing. The only thing it affects is that he'll get more visits from the piss man.

 

Still, with Cleveland's injury decimated Offensive Line, it's probably for the best to trade him as long as you get someone decent in return.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I got Hambrick who will at least get me more touchdowns than Green will.

 

I figure he might be getting a game or two for a suspension too.

[Guest El Satanico]

I got Hambrick who will at least get me more touchdowns than Green will.

perhaps...Hambrick hasn't exactly been setting the league on fire. I wouldn't really call it much of an improvement.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I got Hambrick who will at least get me more touchdowns than Green will.

perhaps...Hambrick hasn't exactly been setting the league on fire. I wouldn't really call it much of an improvement.

It's a minimal imporvement. Similar yardage, better receiving yards, more touchdowns and fewer fumbles.

 

I figure at least Parcells is more comitted to the run than the Cleveland offensive corrdinator is. I mean they only give it to Green a handful of times even if he's averaging 5 a carry.

[Guest El Satanico]

I figure he might be getting a game or two for a suspension too.

I don't think he will...have other players been suspended for similar charges?

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

This is the first time it's really come up under Davis.

 

I also threw in a kicker I didn't have a need for anymore since Longwell will play for the rest of the season.

[Guest El Satanico]

I meant on other NFL teams. I can't recall a NFL player getting suspended for charges like this. It usually takes more than a run of the mill DUI and misdemeaner drug possesion.

 

Regardless, I would've probably taken the trade as well. Just between his injury and the offensive line being decimated by injury, his future isn't looking too good this season.

Edited October 29, 2003 by El Satanico