Undertaker vs Mick Foley

[Guest Bret Hit Man Hart]

I remember this night as do many fans. It was a hell in the cell match and no one knew Underataker was going to throw Foley from the cell into the table which was very shocking and just for the record no one will ever do that bump again because there will never be another Mick Foley and later in the match Mick took a second nasty bump which was shocking and it went down in wrestling history as 2 of the best bumps ever and Mick Foley made fans remember him forever that night.

[Guest TripleHater]

I said it before I will say it again.This match is overated.The only thing that was good about it was the 2 bumps and Chokeslam on the thumb tacks.The rest sucked IMO.HBK/Taker(HIAC) was better than TAKER/Foley IMO.

2 Bumps dont make a match good to me,Maybe to you guys but not me.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

It's a 2 move match.

 

Taker/HBK blow this out of the water in every way possible.

[Guest Bret Hit Man Hart]

Yes the match was overratted (Mick Foley vs Undertaker) But the bumps made it a classic and nothing will change that and Undertaker vs HBK was a classic and maybe the best in the cell and it was the very first hell in the cell aswell

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

Yes the match was overratted (Mick Foley vs Undertaker) But the bumps made it a classic and nothing will change that and Undertaker vs HBK was a classic and maybe the best in the cell and it was the very first hell in the cell aswell

Dude, please use periods in your posts......they're giving me a headache.

[Guest Choken One]

He never said it was the greatest match ever, get off his ass will you?

 

Yes, It is a very legendary match and is worthy of being called a Classic because it lives up to the historic billing of "One of the sickest matches ever" because it still remains a sick match.

 

This match put Foley on the mainstream drive for good.

[Guest TripleHater]

Who the hell were you talking to when you said get off his ass?

[Tawren 0]

I remember this night as do many fans. It was a hell in the cell match and no one knew Underataker was going to throw Foley from the cell into the table which was very shocking and just for the record no one will ever do that bump again because there will never be another Mick Foley and later in the match Mick took a second nasty bump which was shocking and it went down in wrestling history as 2 of the best bumps ever and Mick Foley made fans remember him forever that night.

Vince McMahon took the same bump, if not better, at St. Valentines Day Massacre 1999 (falling from the cage through the SAT). HBK also fell off the cell through the SAT at BB97.

[razazteca 0]

So you're saying that the non-finish of Kane coming out of the ring is more entertaining than watching Mick Foley destroy his body?

[Guest Choken One]

well to be picky...

 

Vince fell straight back back ten feet down...

 

and shawn fell off the side without much impact.

[Guest Real F'n Show]

well to be picky...

 

Vince fell straight back back ten feet down...

 

and shawn fell off the side without much impact.

and Foley was actually standing on top of the cell and was thrown off, instead of hanging on the side like Vince and Shawn did. It adds a good 10 feet to the bump. Also he was thrown through the air, instead of falling backwards...

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Why was TripleHater banned?

 

Anyway...

 

HBK/UT is just great all around but didn't have a HOLY SHIT bump. Well, his fall from the side was decent, but by todays standards, its nothing. And it seemed a lot longer of a fall back then.

 

Foley/UT was terrible. But Foley's bump was sick. Then the chokeslam on the cell was fucked up when the part of the roof collapsed. Still, the match sucked and both men were injured.

[Guest cheercomp]

well to be picky...

 

Vince fell straight back back ten feet down...

 

and shawn fell off the side without much impact.

Actually if u look at it, Vince hit the edge of the table and it then collapsed. U can see his entire body bend as he hits the edge of the table. Granted, its not from the top of the cell like Mick, but it was a sick bump in its own right. Watching it live, I was just as impressed with Vince's bump as I was w/ Mick's

[Guest Bret Hit Man Hart]

Vinces bump was ok but Foleys was a classic

[Use Your Illusion 0]

Why was TripleHater banned?

Why the hell not? The man was a complete and utter fuckwad and was pure dead-weight.

 

The influx of recent marks onto this board is sickening. I know this 'Bret Hitman Hart' guy is innocent and all that, but Jesus, what English course did YOU drop out of?

 

Ick.

 

UYI

[chaosrage 0]

Foley/UT was terrible. But Foley's bump was sick. Then the chokeslam on the cell was fucked up when the part of the roof collapsed. Still, the match sucked and both men were injured.

The only part that fucked up with the chokeslam was the chair falling down. That's what knocked his tooth through his nose. What, you didn't think they would just climb down after he went back up to the top, did you?

 

The match was awesome. It was crazy how much Mick went through in that match. The fact that he had got thrown off once and dislocated his shoulder, and he had enough balls to go up for a second time, which got him knocked out cold, and he STILL kept going for about 30 minutes even though you obviously could tell he was injured and in pain was mind boggling. The thumbtacks and extra stuff was just icing on the cake. I think anybody who says the match sucked might be a little bit too much of a smartmark if you get what I'm saying. While it was basically just a couple spots with some stumbling around in between, those spots were as amazing as anything anyone will ever see. And those spots were only the beginning and it told the story for the rest of the match. Both from a storyline and real life perspective. I just can't see how someone could watch something like that and be disappointed.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

The other shot to UT/Foley is that it's been overplayed to the point that the bumps have lost their effect.

 

Vince broke his tailbone on that table spot BTW.

[nl5xsk1 0]

I think that people that say UT-Foley sucked are being WAY too "smart" (or at least trying to sound way too smart).

 

While it wasn't a wrestling clinic with all sorts of psychology and countermoves, it WAS a massive mark-out moment, and one of the few "holy shit!" moments that I've ever had as a wrestling fan.

 

VKM's bump was only impressive because of his age, Foley's was impressive because it seemed suicidal.

[The Decemberists 0]

I remember this night as do many fans. It was a hell in the cell match and no one knew Underataker was going to throw Foley from the cell into the table which was very shocking and just for the record no one will ever do that bump again because there will never be another Mick Foley and later in the match Mick took a second nasty bump which was shocking and it went down in wrestling history as 2 of the best bumps ever and Mick Foley made fans remember him forever that night

 

Now, as you can tell from my number of posts, I'm no TSM expert or anything, but aren't the starts of threads meant to, y'know, ask something, or to initinate (spelling?) a discussion? This one has, but the opening post seems a bit too much like a statement, rather than a good thread starter. It just bugged me a little for some reason.

 

Not that I could do much better.

[The Decemberists 0]

AND!

 

It was Undertaker vs Mankind.

 

Mick Foley only had two matches to my knowledge, against Terry Funk on Raw and the Wrestlmania 2000 main event.

 

Kayfabe baby!

[Guest Bret Hit Man Hart]

Mankind , Dude Love, Cactus Jack hell it dont matter because its Mick Foley at the end of the day but it was Mankind who went into the cell and put on a show and it was a good match hell it must have been special if fans still talk about it today and Mankind did not get straight up. It was about a 10 min wait.

 

Ps - Use Your Illusion I am going to write a message about you in no holds barred so read in about 10 mins.

[Guest MikeSC]

The only part that fucked up with the chokeslam was the chair falling down.  That's what knocked his tooth through his nose.  What, you didn't think they would just climb down after he went back up to the top, did you?

 

The match was awesome.

 

AWESOME? Two bumps overcome a wealth of tedium?

 

It was crazy how much Mick went through in that match.  The fact that he had got thrown off once and dislocated his shoulder, and he had enough balls to go up for a second time, which got him knocked out cold, and he STILL kept going for about 30 minutes even though you obviously could tell he was injured and in pain was mind boggling.

 

He wasn't fully conscious. And the match didn't go 30 minutes --- unless you count the REALLY long dead spell after the first bump.

 

A guy crippling himself does not a great match make.

 

The thumbtacks and extra stuff was just icing on the cake.  I think anybody who says the match sucked might be a little bit too much of a smartmark if you get what I'm saying.

 

Or they might have different views on what constitutes a great match --- but hey, whatever floats your boat.

 

While it was basically just a couple spots with some stumbling around in between, those spots were as amazing as anything anyone will ever see.  And those spots were only the beginning and it told the story for the rest of the match.

 

What was the story? Foley had to basically knock himself out because UT could barely walk due to a broken foot? There was NO psychology to the match, a fact Foley basically stated with his whole "Mark had to carry me because I was GONE" discussion from his book.

 

Using your logic, the best match ECW ever had was Grimes v New Jack, since they had this uber-spiffy bump. Sure, the match sucked the meat missile --- oops, I guess I'm too much of a "smart mark" to actually want a good wrestling match instead of 30 minutes of dead time following two absurd bumps.

 

Both from a storyline and real life perspective.  I just can't see how someone could watch something like that and be disappointed.

 

Well, when it is only beat out by Bossman v UT in the realm of horrid HITC matches.

-=Mike

...Yes, Nash v HHH was a better HITC

[Tawren 0]

The match was awesome. It was crazy how much Mick went through in that match. The fact that he had got thrown off once and dislocated his shoulder, and he had enough balls to go up for a second time, which got him knocked out cold, and he STILL kept going for about 30 minutes even though you obviously could tell he was injured and in pain was mind boggling. T

Dude, it was like 10 minutes, not 30.

 

Anyone who says it is a good match: watch it from the aftermath of the two big bumps. Then come back and tell me it is spectacular and great. IT SUCKS.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

I'd like to point out that while the first HitC didn't have one big huge "OHMYFUCKLOOKATTHAT~!!!" bump, it DID have HBK getting the living piss out of him and almost killing himself anyway.

 

I mean, that fucking back body drop where his feet hit the cage and he comes almost straight down...that's GOLDEN.

 

As far as Mankind/Taker, I'd toss this in the "Must-See" pile. Sure, it's NOT a great match, but it's something to behold. I think every wrestling fan should watch this match, just to see what Foley was capable of.

[Tawren 0]

As far as Mankind/Taker, I'd toss this in the "Must-See" pile. Sure, it's NOT a great match, but it's something to behold. I think every wrestling fan should watch this match, just to see what Foley was capable of.

I do agree with that. It just isn't a good match is what I'm saying.

[Guest Bret Hit Man Hart]

Mick Foley coming off the cell was a night fans will never forget and something fans can watch again and again and again and that bump will be talked about for years and years.

[Guest PhantMan]

this is the same as Montreal, but THIS is ok?!...

 

BTW, I loved the match, but Foley is really no good example for newcomers. him falling from the top of the cage was vetoed in the beginning, and only after mick insisting on performing the fall did he got permission.

 

foley is a mark. he's a good wrestler, but he still remains a mark that, by perorming unnecessary stunts, must be held a little responsable for the various grimes/new jack and the new generations of wrestlers tryin' to top his spots.

[chaosrage 0]

AWESOME? Two bumps overcome a wealth of tedium?

Yep, no other match has as much emotion or drama. You might've been bored out of your mind waiting for something to happen, but everyone else was only in awe of what they had seen and wondering if Mick was dead or not.

 

He wasn't fully conscious. And the match didn't go 30 minutes --- unless you count the REALLY long dead spell after the first bump.

 

A. Just because he needed to watch the match to remember what happened doesn't mean he wasn't conscious for it.

 

B. That doesn't have anything to do with the storyline of the match either way. You clearly saw him not only get up but laugh as he was getting up.

 

Or they might have different views on what constitutes a great match --- but hey, whatever floats your boat.

 

This is sorta what I said. I can see how you might not like the match if you give it a rating by counting how many moves it has or if you don't pay attention to unimportant things like story or emotion. Say if it has 5 suplexes, it might go up a half of a star on your scale or something. But next time try to be a fan and watch it, not a critic.

 

What was the story?

 

Erm, a man that can barely stand still refusing to give up, while some lunatic that looks like he's trying to legit kill him is doing everything he can to put him out.

 

Foley had to basically knock himself out because UT could barely walk due to a broken foot? There was NO psychology to the match, a fact Foley basically stated with his whole "Mark had to carry me because I was GONE" discussion from his book.

 

That is the psychology genius. UT had a broken foot and Mankind had a dislocated shoulder (along with getting knocked out) and they still managed to put together one of the best matches ever. If you don't think that can happen, what do you think of Bret/Bulldog from SS92? Since it was pretty much carried all the way by Bret? Another thing is what Mick actually said in the book was UT carried him AT FIRST until Mick could get everything together. He likened it to a baby taking his first steps.

 

Using your logic, the best match ECW ever had was Grimes v New Jack, since they had this uber-spiffy bump.

 

Except it didn't have a story. It was just people beating each other up. It did have drama but it was unintentional drama. Yeah, fuck ups are kind of a bad thing. See, if the big bump had happened at the end of HITC, the match would've sucked. Because the match was built around those bumps. The bumps weren't THE match as you guys seem to think.

 

Well, when it is only beat out by Bossman v UT in the realm of horrid HITC matches.

 

I'm not dignifying that one with a response... sorry, heh.

[Guest MikeSC]

AWESOME? Two bumps overcome a wealth of tedium?

Yep, no other match has as much emotion or drama. You might've been bored out of your mind waiting for something to happen, but everyone else was only in awe of what they had seen and wondering if Mick was dead or not.

 

Umm, it wasn't even the best match on THAT SHOW (Austin v Kane was a better match).

 

And no match had that much emotion or drama? You don't really believe that, do you?

 

He wasn't fully conscious. And the match didn't go 30 minutes --- unless you count the REALLY long dead spell after the first bump.

 

A. Just because he needed to watch the match to remember what happened doesn't mean he wasn't conscious for it.

 

Foley said he was out for most of it after the 2d bump.

 

B. That doesn't have anything to do with the storyline of the match either way.  You clearly saw him not only get up but laugh as he was getting up. 

 

I don't give a match credit for a "storyline" when one of the guys doesn't know that there IS a storyline.

 

Or they might have different views on what constitutes a great match --- but hey, whatever floats your boat.

 

This is sorta what I said. I can see how you might not like the match if you give it a rating by counting how many moves it has or if you don't pay attention to unimportant things like story or emotion. Say if it has 5 suplexes, it might go up a half of a star on your scale or something. But next time try to be a fan and watch it, not a critic.

 

So, a fan just mindlessly accepts dreck? I think I'll remain a critic.

 

What was the story?

 

Erm, a man that can barely stand still refusing to give up, while some lunatic that looks like he's trying to legit kill him is doing everything he can to put him out.

 

Or, a man is totally out but the match has a finish planned so the one conscious guy basically piggy-backs the other guy until he's coherent enough to finish the match.

 

Foley had to basically knock himself out because UT could barely walk due to a broken foot? There was NO psychology to the match, a fact Foley basically stated with his whole "Mark had to carry me because I was GONE" discussion from his book.

 

That is the psychology genius. UT had a broken foot and Mankind had a dislocated shoulder (along with getting knocked out) and they still managed to put together one of the best matches ever.

 

One of the best matches EVER?

 

You really can't be serious here. This has to be a big put-on.

 

If you don't think that can happen, what do you think of Bret/Bulldog from SS92?  Since it was pretty much carried all the way by Bret?

 

That match blew the heck out of the HITC. It owned it in EVERY possible way. And, hey, it had more drama and emotion to boot.

 

Another thing is what Mick actually said in the book was UT carried him AT FIRST until Mick could get everything together.  He likened it to a baby taking his first steps.

 

Carried him for a while.

 

And that match is indicative as to why Foley isn't wrestling, so it did more harm than good.

 

Using your logic, the best match ECW ever had was Grimes v New Jack, since they had this uber-spiffy bump.

 

Except it didn't have a story. It was just people beating each other up. It did have drama but it was unintentional drama. Yeah, fuck ups are kind of a bad thing. See, if the big bump had happened at the end of HITC, the match would've sucked. Because the match was built around those bumps. The bumps weren't THE match as you guys seem to think.

 

Take away the bumps and you have a horribly boring match. With them. you have a horribly boring match with 2 big bumps. The match WAS and STILL IS based on the bumps. You don't see much of the match OUTSIDE of the bumps when they recap it. Heck, I can barely remember the finish.

 

Well, when it is only beat out by Bossman v UT in the realm of horrid HITC matches.

 

I'm not dignifying that one with a response... sorry, heh.

 

We can go with this:

 

HBS v UT MUCH better.

6-man match at Armageddon? OWNS it.

Jericho v HHH? Hardly great --- but better.

HHH v Nash? Shockingly better match.

-=Mike

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I loved this match. I don't care if it was the greatest match ever. It is just awe inspiring and I can honestly tell you that I showed this match to a guy who didn't really watch wrestling and he started watching after seeing it.

 

Now technically he didn't hate wrestling or anything, but he didn't really watch it. After I showed him this he took a good respect for what wrestlers go through in the ring and it was great seeing his reactions to moves from then on.