Dynamite Kid/Tiger Mask

[Robert 0]

Is there as Best of The Dynamite Kid/Tiger Mask series. I've seen one of them, and I know there is about 20 of them. So is there any website were I could find it?

[Ace309 0]

I haven't heard of a commercial "best of" tape for the two of them.

 

I'm sure there will be a few people in the thread in just a bit who can tell you what the best matches are, and once you've done some research the best thing to do would probably be to contact Jeff Lynch and see about getting a custom tape done up.

[The Thread Killer 0]

Way back when, I wrote a column about this series which if you like, you could check out HERE.

 

At the bottom of the article there is a link to Tabe's Tapes, who sells a PERFECT VQ, straight from DVD comp of all of their matches.

 

You can find Tabe's Tapes HERE and the Best of Dynamite Kid vs. Tiger Mask Sayama is Tape 452, listed HERE.

 

I cannot recomend this tape highly enough. Tabe is 100% reliable, his tapes are low priced, his service is FAST, and as I said the VQ on this tape is perfect.

 

Hope that helps.

[Guest ligerbomb03]

I have only seen two Dynamite Kid vs. Tiger Mask matches, unfortunately, but am dying to see much more.

[Guest BAR]

That's an amazing column Thread Killer. Here's my top 3 from Dynamite/Sayama:

 

1. 21/4/83

2. 5/8/82

3. 23/7/82

 

The no. 1 choice being my favourite match ever. Along with Clash VI and the 1996 RWTL finals.

[Coffin Surfer 0]

Way back when, I wrote a column about this series which if you like, you could check out HERE.

Dynamite Kid.....the shoot style worker?

 

Alot of snow flakes at the end too. Dragonfly Kid in the matches to check out thread has alot more realistic and helpful rating of the series in the matches to check out thread.

[The Thread Killer 0]

The star ratings are subjective, and can be ignored. If I sat down and watched the series again today, I'd probably rate them differently.

 

In the time since I wrote that column (which was quite a while ago) I have seen a LOT more Shoot Style stuff. I have a complete UWFI and Kingdom collection, so I am sure that would affect my ratings.

 

I stand by the fact that Billington was trained in the UK and learned the hard hitting mat style there, and used it in that series. I really do think he and Sayama used to stiff the hell out of each other in those matches...I'm not saying they were Worked Shoots...but compared to a lot of the matches Sayama was having with other people at the time, they were hard hitting.

 

As far as being "realistic and helpful" the whole point of my post was that The Reverand Daddy Joe asked if there was a place that sold the matches on a comp, and I can tell him for a fact that Tabe does, and his tape kicks ass.

 

Many people have ordered that tape, and if he does, he won't get burned.

 

The ratings are up to the fans to decide anyhow, but first he has to get the matches to decide that for himself.

[Coffin Surfer 0]

In the time since I wrote that column (which was quite a while ago) I have seen a LOT more Shoot Style stuff.  I have a complete UWFI and Kingdom collection, so I am sure that would affect my ratings.

 

I stand by the fact that Billington was trained in the UK and learned the hard hitting mat style there, and used it in that series.  I really do think he and Sayama used to stiff the hell out of each other in those matches...I'm not saying they were Worked Shoots...but compared to a lot of the matches Sayama was having with other people at the time, they were hard hitting.

 

As far as being "realistic and helpful" the whole point of my post was that The Reverand Daddy Joe asked if there was a place that sold the matches on a comp, and I can tell him for a fact that Tabe does, and his tape kicks ass.

 

Many people have ordered that tape, and if he does, he won't get burned.

 

The ratings are up to the fans to decide anyhow, but first he has to get the matches to decide that for himself.

I don't think watching Takada would effect your ratings of DK/Tiger Mask. But it would make you change your assumption that DK was a shoot style worker.

 

DK learned hard hitting pro style, not shoot style. There's alot more to shoot style than working stiff, it's for the most part suppose to be the absence of corporation spots(whips, high flying, jumping on lifts...etc.) to create a more realistic presention. DK/Tiger Mask certaintly don't lack corporation spots. And for their matches weren't really stiff(see Tiger Mask's glancing kicks in their 81 match) until their later meetings(see his kicks make contact in the 83 2/3 falls match).

 

I think Dragonfly's conservative ratings with the accompinement of a quote that explains his overall view on the series, and why he doesn't put them so high helps alot more than random snow flakes being tossed out.

[Tim Cooke 0]

DK as a shoot style winner.

 

That is your winner of the day.

 

Dan Ginnetty ([email protected]) has the original TM/DK comps that has been floating around.

 

Tim

[The Thread Killer 0]

I don't think watching Takada would effect your ratings of DK/Tiger Mask. But it would make you change your assumption that DK was a shoot style worker.

 

DK learned hard hitting pro style, not shoot style. There's alot more to shoot style than working stiff, it's for the most part suppose to be the absence of corporation spots(whips, high flying, jumping on lifts...etc.) to create a more realistic presention. DK/Tiger Mask certaintly don't lack corporation spots. And for their matches weren't really stiff(see Tiger Mask's glancing kicks in their 81 match) until their later meetings(see his kicks make contact in the 83 2/3 falls match).

 

I think Dragonfly's conservative ratings with the accompinement of a quote that explains his overall view on the series helps alot more than random snow flakes being tossed out.

 

I know the difference between Shoot Style, and Hard Hitting Pro Style. In fact, I have more MMA and Worked Shoots in my personal collection than I do Junior Heavyweight Stuff...way more.

 

My point WAS, that if you compare the matches that Sayama had with Billington or Rocco-Tiger, you would notice that the guys who were trained in the Billy Robinson Snake Pit /Ted Riley UK Mat Style had much more realistic looking matches with Sayama than say, Fishman or El Falcon.

 

So his tough training helped Billington have better matches with Sayama than others did, and in my opinion, THAT is what made that series of matches unique, and stand out over the matches Sayama had with others. The style the UK guys used was more relaistic than what other guys used, especially the Lucha guys.

 

My increased exposure to stuff like UWF/UFI/Kingdom has helped me appreciate the increased realism of that style, which is WAY more real looking than anything Billington and Sayama did, I agree.

 

So, at the time I wrote that column, my Billington fanboyism made me give the matches better star ratings than they probably deserved...however I still think the column has some merits still, if for nothing else, then the quotes by Billington himself.

 

And once again, if that post helps "The Reverand Daddy Joe" find and buy the tape, then mission accomplished for me...that is why I made the post, I was trying to help the guy...not convince him the matches were worked shoots, or wow him with my star ratings.

 

DK as a shoot style winner.

 

That is your winner of the day.

 

I don't know what that means...I assume you mean to say "Shoot Style Worker."

 

As I said above, I should not have classified him as that when I wrote the article...and I don't even remember doing it. It was misleading, and incorrect. He didn't wrestle Shoot Style...I didn't even think he did then, I just thought he was hard hitting and a good mat wrestler (which I STILL think he was) but I was being far too glib in using the term Shoot Style.

 

Again.

 

Maybe if I explain my mistake 10 times, people will accept it.

Edited November 1, 2003 by The Thread Killer

[Guest wildpegasus]

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And for their matches weren't really stiff(see Tiger Mask's glancing kicks in their 81 match) until their later meetings(see his kicks make contact in the 83 2/3 falls match).

 

WP-Their matches were stiff. DK talks about in his book how he knew these matches were a good part of the reason he was in a wheelchair(the first time). In fact, I grimace watching these matches more than almost any other. Watch DK's knees to the head of Tiger Mask and his belly to back suplex on Tiger Mask . The piledrivers on the outside of the ring which were as SICK as anything I've ever seen. I really don't see where you're coming from here.

[Coffin Surfer 0]

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And for their matches weren't really stiff(see Tiger Mask's glancing kicks in their 81 match) until their later meetings(see his kicks make contact in the 83 2/3 falls match).

 

WP-Their matches were stiff. DK talks about in his book how he knew these matches were a good part of the reason he was in a wheelchair(the first time). In fact, I grimace watching these matches more than almost any other. Watch DK's knees to the head of Tiger Mask and his belly to back suplex on Tiger Mask . The piledrivers on the outside of the ring which were as SICK as anything I've ever seen. I really don't see where you're coming from here.

Have you seen their earlier matches?

 

Plenty of phantom strikes to be found, mostly on Tiger Mask's part.

 

And if were talking bumping here, yeah DK bumped like a mad man in those matches, but oddly enough, I've seen Harley Race out bump him in stuff like the 77 Jumbo match(on a harder canvas).

 

It wasn't really until the later matches that Tiger Mask started connecting with his kicks, and pretty much every thing else.

 

If you grimace watching those matches, I'd hate see what you would do when watching Hansen vs. Kawada 2/93. Now those are some sick knee drops. I shudder when I think of the sling shot knee drop where Hansen comes down with all his weight on Kawada's chest. In the words of Kawada, when he took it..

 

"DOH-OH-WHOA!"

 

And the tombstones they used were obviously protected, even the cradle variation DK experimented with.

[Guest wildpegasus]

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And for their matches weren't really stiff(see Tiger Mask's glancing kicks in their 81 match) until their later meetings(see his kicks make contact in the 83 2/3 falls match).

 

WP-Their matches were stiff. DK talks about in his book how he knew these matches were a good part of the reason he was in a wheelchair(the first time). In fact, I grimace watching these matches more than almost any other. Watch DK's knees to the head of Tiger Mask and his belly to back suplex on Tiger Mask . The piledrivers on the outside of the ring which were as SICK as anything I've ever seen. I really don't see where you're coming from here.

Have you seen their earlier matches?

 

Plenty of phantom strikes to be found, mostly on Tiger Mask's part.

 

And if were talking bumping here, yeah DK bumped like a mad man in those matches, but oddly enough, I've seen Harley Race out bump him in stuff like the 77 Jumbo match(on a harder canvas).

 

It wasn't really until the later matches that Tiger Mask started connecting with his kicks, and pretty much every thing else.

 

If you grimace watching those matches, I'd hate see what you would do when watching Hansen vs. Kawada 2/93. Now those are some sick knee drops. I shudder when I think of the sling shot knee drop where Hansen comes down with all his weight on Kawada's chest. In the words of Kawada, when he took it..

 

"DOH-OH-WHOA!"

 

And the tombstones they used were obviously protected, even the cradle variation DK experimented with.

I know Tiger had some glancing blows but that doesn't mean that other blows weren't stiff. Yes, the piledrivers were protected some but they were still as stiff as anything. My point here is the matches were stiff to begin and than got super stiff along the way. I think you're underrating the stiffness some.

 

I know Race is a good bumper. Kudos to him. Ironically he's the one who warned Dynamite and Bret that they'd be in wheelchairs if they kept wrestling the same way they did in Stampede.

 

I haven't seen Kawada/Hanson from 2/93 yet but really want to bad. I have seen Hasegawa/Yamada from 3/94 though. Hard to compare the women and men in stiffness but this was one super stiff bout.

Edited November 2, 2003 by wildpegasus

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Their matches were stiff. DK talks about in his book how he knew these matches were a good part of the reason he was in a wheelchair(the first time).

 

Working stiff and bumping big are two entirely different descriptions. There are plenty of matches with weak/ineffective strikes that involve big bumping.

 

Dynamite Kid didn't end up in a wheel chair because Sayama worked stiff, he just took lots of risky bumps.

[IWD 0]

Dynamite Kid didn't end up in a wheel chair because Sayama worked stiff, he just took lots of risky bumps.

Well, it was a combination of things - Dynamite has said himself that he thinks Sayama was one of the more responsible for his declining health, but he doesn't hold any grudges because of it.

 

In fact, the final straw of his wheelchair predicament seems to have arisen from when Danny Spivey gave him LSD.

 

OK.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

I have a best of Dynamite Kid tape that has most of the Dynamite vs. TM classics on it. If anyone is interested in setting up a trade, e-mail me and we could work something out.....although I DO NOT trade outside of North America.