Mik 0 Report post Posted November 4, 2003 P: Mike Mussina (Yankees) C: Bengie Molina (Angels) 1b: John Olerud (Mariners) 2b: Bret Boone (Mariners) SS: A-Rod (Rangers) 3B: Eric Chavez (A's) OF: Ichiro (Mariners) OF: Mike Cameron (Mariners) OF: Torii Hunter (Twins) 4/9 isn't too shabby. If there was justice, the same would happen to the Marlins tomorrow. (Derek Lee, Castillo, A-Gone, Pudge) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted November 5, 2003 I bet Furcal gets Gold Glove for SS in the NL, and rightfully so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treble 0 Report post Posted November 5, 2003 Bah, Vernon Wells got hosed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted November 5, 2003 Nice to see the whoever votes puts alot of consideration into voting. Everyone but Mussina (who has one before), and maybe Cameron (who has won before) is a repeat winner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smues Report post Posted November 5, 2003 They fixed it, but for awhile on mlb.com it said Torri Hunter was a Marnier, that was funny. I'm just hoping Maddux keeps his streak of gold gloves when the NL is announced tommorow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smues Report post Posted November 5, 2003 Edit: Double post. Sorry bout that. Fucking Comcast. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 5, 2003 I looked into what Win Shares ranked as the best fielders. Its not a perfect method, but its the best statistical method out there. C- Ramon Hernandez 1B- John Olerud 2B- Orlando Hudson SS- Jose Valentin 3B- Eric Chavez OF- Mike Cameron, Torii Hunter, Carlos Beltran A few points here. First off, Molina led by rate, but misses out because he missed time in September. Had he played more, he would've led all catchers. John Olerud's leading first basemen is an indicator that his winning the gold glove is legit. Ichiro led among right fielders. Carlos Beltran is easily the most unheralded star in the majors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted November 5, 2003 Let me guess this is fielding % and errors more than anything. What about range, what about balls picked out of the dirt, the number of throwing errors saved? If you saw Dougie M everynight scooping Koskie or Guzman's throw out of the dirt, you'd understand why this bothers me. Honestly it's not Olerud, he's good. But Dougie M is so much better in terms of doing more things well with the glove. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted November 5, 2003 I think Ramon Hernandez got jipped. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted November 5, 2003 So which red will be gglover? Oh yeah we suck. I forgot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted November 5, 2003 The voting is done by the players in each league. Rules are you can only vote for players in the league you play in and you can't vote for team-mates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 5, 2003 Let me guess this is fielding % and errors more than anything. What about range, what about balls picked out of the dirt, the number of throwing errors saved? The full explanation runs around a hundred pages or so. The gist of it is this. Fielding statistics such as assists and double plays are essentially worthless because bad teams look just as good as good teams, because you always get 24-27 outs regardless of your performance. Win Shares starts with a team's runs allowed total, divides them between pitching and fielding, and breaks down the fielding between individual fielders. Its not a perfect system, but its better than most of what's out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OldSchoolWrestling 0 Report post Posted November 5, 2003 Barry Bonds wins quite often and he is always half assing it out there. There is no justice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted November 5, 2003 Well I'm the last person to defend Bonds but he hasn't won a gold glove since '98 and he was at one time a great defensive outfielder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted November 6, 2003 I really don't think the players should vote. They may hold grudges, which might of cost Mientwicz the award. He can be outspoken at times, and has had words with opponents. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 6, 2003 Let's nip this one in the bud. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1654701 Gold Gloves, presented since 1957 by St. Louis-based Rawlings, are voted on by managers and coaches before the end of the regular season. They may not select players on their own teams, and they vote only for players in their own league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted November 6, 2003 I was close, I knew the gist of it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted November 6, 2003 A.L. Defensive Statistical Leaders Range Factor ((PO + A) divided by innings) Zone rating. The percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive "zone," as measured by STATS, Inc. 1B Fielding %: Paul Konerko .998; Travis Lee .998; John Olerud .998 Range Factor: Carlos Delgado 10.26; Scott Hatteberg 10.19; Carlos Pena 10.08 Zone Rating: Doug Mientkiewicz .900; Travis Lee .890; Scott Spiezio .885 2B Fielding %: Adam Kennedy .990; Bret Boone .990; Michael Young .987 Range Factor: Orlando Hudson 5.84; Brandon Phillips 5.46; Mark Ellis 5.40 Zone Rating: Mark Ellis .889; Brandon Phillips .857; Adam Kennedy .853 3B Fielding %: Joe Randa .980; Corey Koskie .973; Eric Chavez .971 Range Factor: Eric Chavez 3.16; Casey Blake 2.88; Joe Randa 2.85 Zone Rating: Corey Koskie .793; Casey Blake .784; Joe Crede .782 SS Fielding %: Alex Rodriguez .989; David Eckstein .984; Crisitan Guzman .980 Range Factor: Julio Lugo 4.80; Angel Berroa 4.79; Jose Valentin 4.64 Zone Rating: David Eckstein .896; Jose Valentin .893; Julio Lugo .872 LF Fielding %: Garret Anderson .997; Carl Crawford .991; Randy Winn .990 Range Factor: Carl Crawford 2.55; Garret Anderson 2.47; Shannon Stewart 2.32 Zone Rating: Garret Anderson .915; Raul Ibanez .907; Carl Crawford .906 Assists: Garret Anderson 14; Hideki Matsui 11; Manny Ramirez 11 CF Fielding %: Johnny Damon .997; Bernie Williams .997; Mike Cameron .992 Range Factor: Mike Cameron 3.42; Rocco Baldelli 3.07; Carlos Beltran 3.05 Zone Rating: Carlos Beltran .927; Torii Hunter .924; Mike Cameron .922 Assists: Rocco Baldelli 15; Carlos Beltran 10; Johnny Damon 7 RF Fieldling %: Ichiro Suzuki .994; Magglio Ordonez .994; Trot Nixon .983 Range Factor: Ichiro Suzuki 2.30; Bobby Higginson 2.28; Magglio Ordonez 2.19 Zone Rating: Magglio Ordonez .907; Trot Nixon .900; Ichiro Suzuki .897 Assists: Ichiro Suzuki 12; Jay Gibbons 8; Magglio Ordonez 7 Catcher Fielding %: Dan Wilson .998; Bradon Inge .996; Brook Fordyce .996 Range Factor: Jorge Posada 7.79; Miguel Olivo 7.76; Jason Varitek 7.51 Caught Stealing %: Bengie Molina .444; Toby Hall .436; Brandon Inge .364 Catcher's ERA: Ramon Hernandez 3.48; Dan Wilson 3.79; Miguel Olivo 3.81 Pitchers (couldn't find pick-off leaders) Total chances w/o an error: Derek Lowe 65; Mark Buehrle 53; Mike Mussina 49 Range Factor: Derek Lowe 2.88; Tim Hudson 2.78; Kenny Rogers 2.58 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starvenger 0 Report post Posted November 6, 2003 And here I thought that Doc Halladay was going to run the gauntlet and pick up all the AL pitcher awards... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted November 6, 2003 Shhh...Don't tell all the Canadians, Halladay didn't win the Gold Glove, their likely to riot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted November 6, 2003 Shhh...Don't tell all the Canadians, Halladay didn't win the Gold Glove, their likely to riot. Since most of them don't care about baseball and are occupied with the Maple Leafs(in Toronto that is) if you were to tell one of them that they would look at you funny and say "There's no Gold Glove in Hockey, aye" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starvenger 0 Report post Posted November 6, 2003 Since most of them don't care about baseball and are occupied with the Maple Leafs(in Toronto that is) if you were to tell one of them that they would look at you funny and say "There's no Gold Glove in Hockey, aye" What, are we Canadians sailors now? It's "eh", not "aye", dammit... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted November 6, 2003 Looking at those stats that Bored posted, methinks Garret Anderson got robbed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted November 6, 2003 LF is considered to be the easiest defensive position in the OF. They really have to stand out to win Gold Gloves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
