Rather Brilliant Torch Column

[eirejmcmahon 0]

Luger was nothing more than a punchline to a joke two weeks ago and now people are openly supporting his working with NWATNA, I just don't get it.

What's the joke?

That he's a deluded fool.

 

Did you see the various interviews where his drugged up ass was blubbering about making it back to the WWE 'any day now' ?

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I don't like Luger at all.

 

But I'm not going to get all up in arms over his signing when he's probably only making an appearance or two. And this still isn't as bad as Moondog Spot from earlier this year.

 

But who are you to tell a guy he can't work and using a death that will mean more to him than it will you, against him. Be against them signing him for being a shitty worker but don't bring up the other stuff.

 

And you show how hypocritcal you are. You have no problem with Raven, Austin or Richards b/c you happen to like them. So basically you liking a wrestler makes whatever they do not as bad? Right.

 

And for the millionth time; this is wrestling we're talking about here. This is a whole business built on dishonesty and everyone who's died recently was on drugs. Do I need to bring up how Dino Bravo and Chris Adams bought it to get it through your head that few wrestlers are upstanding citizens.

[bob_barron 0]

Luger has drawn... he's been in the main event of a number of good - large buyrates for WCW/NWA...

 

Can we get some actual proof please?

 

granted they were against Flair and Sting and looky who's in the ring with him next show...

 

Remember how good the last buyrate was when Sting faced Luger? Oh right- it drew one of the lowest buyrates EVER.

 

And nobody knows whether he will or won't draw... they see him and sting in the ring together again... a wave of nostalgia (however you spell it) might kick in.

 

Then why did the WWA not do any good? Why did Uncensored 2000 bomb?

 

And if it a only a one or two deal then i see nothing wrong with it... TNA are trying to reach that next level and bringing in names and trying to get their own talent over is a good way to go about it...

 

What talent gets over by having Luger in the ring? Just one- AJ. And who knows if this match will help him.

 

Unless Luger comes in and beats AJ or Sting 1-2-3, I haven't got a problem with TNA bringing in Luger. Yes, he's not going to pop a huge buyrate, and yes, he uses drugs and doesn't like jobbing, and yes, he hasn't wrestled a decent match since 1998, but he has name value, and if they feed him to AJ like I think they will, it will have been worth it.

 

No one really cares about Lex Luger- so feeding him to AJ won't help that much. AJ's title reign made him look like such chickenshit that it's going to take a while to build him back up.

 

Luger is good for the simple reason that TV channels will look at him as a big name and therefore favour TNA for having him.

 

TV channels are going to want a show built around an alledged drug addict and wife beater? You do realise that no one gives a fuck about Lex Luger right? The last time Lex Luger was on TV- we heard him calling 911 after Liz ODed.

 

I know that this point has already been made, but for that reason, I aint against TNA having Luger. Infact, I'm all for it.

 

Luger is not that big of a name anymore.

[bob_barron 0]

But I'm not going to get all up in arms over his signing when he's probably only making an appearance or two. And this still isn't as bad as Moondog Spot from earlier this year.

 

Why not? Moondog Spot probably didn't cost much and worked a midcard comedy match.

 

Luger is probably costing a lot and is working the main event.

[Guest PowerPB13]

I will gladly support ANY wrestling organization that has the chance to knock the goddamn WWE off its perch. Whatever it takes to screw with the McMahon-Helmesly Reich is fine with me.

 

-Patrick

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

But I'm not going to get all up in arms over his signing when he's probably only making an appearance or two. And this still isn't as bad as Moondog Spot from earlier this year.

 

Why not? Moondog Spot probably didn't cost much and worked a midcard comedy match.

 

Luger is probably costing a lot and is working the main event.

True, but Luger has a lot more name power than freaking Moondog Spot and Spot won the match too.

 

I'm not even really supporting this. I just said if he makes 1 or 2 appearances where he's limited in tag matches and takes the fall for AJ then I don't have a problem with it. And if he makes Gauntlet for the Gold matches once or twice a year afterwards I can live with it.

 

Now if he turns into a regular and pins anyone in the tag match, TNA will have made a huge mistake.

[Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist]

I will gladly support ANY wrestling organization that has the chance to knock the goddamn WWE off its perch. Whatever it takes to screw with the McMahon-Helmesly Reich is fine with me.

 

-Patrick

And giving scum like Luger a job will do this????

 

Fuck TNA

[Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist]

And you show how hypocritcal you are. You have no problem with Raven, Austin or Richards b/c you happen to like them. So basically you liking a wrestler makes whatever they do not as bad? Right.

I don't like Austin either, but he isn't implicated, in some way, in the death of another person.

 

Richards part, if any (and it's extremely unlikely that he had any part) in Holly's death, is unknown, and not made public knowledge ten minutes after she died.

 

Raven has managed to get the fuck over his previous addictions and become a decent member of society

 

Fuck, TNA, Luger, Jarrett, etc

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

So then why can't Luger get the same chance that Raven got to get over his addictions then.

 

Austin is a convicted wife beater, Luger hasn't had any charges brought against him for Liz's death.

[Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist]

So then why can't Luger get the same chance that Raven got to get over his addictions then.

Because Raven isn't a piece of shit, lousy worker who bitches about jobbing to rookies, and thinks he's above the business

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

So then why can't Luger get the same chance that Raven got to get over his addictions then.

Because Raven isn't a piece of shit, lousy worker who bitches about jobbing to rookies, and thinks he's above the business

 

let me stop laughing and then I'll respond.

[Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist]

Do you think Luger would help make CM Punk into the Indy Breakout Star of 2003???

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

 

damn you just keep getting better and better.

 

Here's a hint for you:

 

I'm talking about Luger the human being. You know the person not the wrestler. I think being around Sting will do him a world of good and could help him battle his demons. I wish Dibiase or Koloff would get their hands on Luger too.

[Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist]

Then lets talk about Luger the human being, the one who was arrested on 13 counts of drug possesion

 

Say all you want about Austin and Raven (who I know you simply out and out despise, because he has the nerve to be more over than Jarrett), but neither of them went that low

 

Fuck him, and if I worked for TNA, I'd have a problem being in the same building as him.

 

I wonder will Jeff and Daddy listen to any wrestler who has a concern about an unstable sociopathic jerk working for them.

 

Probably not, since all they care about is money.

 

Fuck TNA

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

At least as far as I know Luger doesn't have holes in his memory like some wrestlers and he hasn't been convicted for beating women. I'd say beating your wife is about as low as you can go.

[Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist]

At least as far as I know Luger doesn't have holes in his memory like some wrestlers and he hasn't been convicted for beating women. I'd say beating your wife is about as low as you can go.

Austin apologised

 

As for the "holes in their memory", since that's yet another potshot at Raven, I'll ignore that one.

[Guest Coffey]

I think I'm going to stay out of this one. Same old shit just on a different topic during a different day of the week.

Edited November 9, 2003 by Coffey

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Basically.

 

I'm not going to debate this any further b/c there's really no point to it.

[Guest One Trick Pony]

Dave O'Neill there's no sense in arguing. These people just don't get...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That you're an idiot.

 

Why are you still posting? This isn't a flame but this discussion board is supposed to be a place where someone presents a topic and we discuss amongst ourselves like that lady on SNL used to say. It's not a place where you present a topic, say you're biased, and completely trash up the topic thread because you're not allowing yourself to believe there's another side. Your whole argument this thread has been "People who I like are ok if they drugs, others suck, Jarrett sucks regardless."

[Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist]

My point about liking people?

 

How about this way..... Raven and Austin have both EARNED a second chance.

 

Austin apologised (publicly) and reconciled with his wife, and put it past him.

 

Raven went public about his demons, and like a man, sought help.

 

What in the blue fuck has Luger done to deserve a main event spot in Jarrett's Not-Travelling Circus?

 

Answer: Nothing. And yet, he'll probably use this return to go back on the radio interview circuit and bitch about not having a WWE Job.

 

 

And all the while, Raven gets to put over Kevin Northcutt. What a brilliant promotion

[Guest One Trick Pony]

My point about liking people?

 

How about this way..... Raven and Austin have both EARNED a second chance.

 

Austin apologised (publicly) and reconciled with his wife, and put it past him.

 

Raven went public about his demons, and like a man, sought help.

 

What in the blue fuck has Luger done to deserve a main event spot in Jarrett's Not-Travelling Circus?

 

Answer: Nothing. And yet, he'll probably use this return to go back on the radio interview circuit and bitch about not having a WWE Job.

 

 

And all the while, Raven gets to put over Kevin Northcutt. What a brilliant promotion

Who knows if Luger has gone to rehab? I also can understand him not going publicly about it yet because WWE recently said "Hey remember Lex Luger? He killed Miss Elizabeth by making her take drugs"

 

Didn't Raven also go public about his drug use after he got out of WWE even though he started it way back? If it took Raven like 8 years I'd say to go public, why should Luger have to air out his closet NOW? I think Raven also HAD to go public about it because how else would he explain not knowing something he was apart of when asked by Feinstein?

 

What has Luger done to get a job in TNA? He's worked for WWE which seems to be on most of their stars' resumes. He's worked for WCW too. He's been way over with the huge crowds before. I can only remember Raven being mega-over with the TNA and ECW crowds.

 

And yet, he'll probably use this return to go back on the radio interview circuit and bitch about not having a WWE Job.

Like Raven?

 

I hate using Raven as the measuring stick but it seems you have this godly image of him but a lot of the stuff you have against Luger applies to him.

 

I did like the "Jarrett non-traveling circus" thing though. I thought that was funny. I think it's funnier still that they're number 2 but they don't travel outside of Nashville, the only place Jarrett is guaranteed to be over. Methinks less money should be spent on Franchise, Vampiro, dancers, Duggan, Rick, etc. if they want to get the word out from Nashville and the net.

[Styles 0]

Seriously, it's as if everyone became increasingly tired of you as 1inchpunch so you changed your name to erase that persona, but you're just as annoying as ever. We get it, you don't like TNA and want them to fail. Now go away.

[tommytomlin 0]

This thread is much better when you skip Dave's posts and read TheMike's instead. At least he knows how to put forward a decent argument that doesn't flame-bait. All Dave does is rehash TheMike's points and then add some hypocrisy.

[Guest Dids]

Like I said before- isn't the the same BS that got BPS to threaten 1inch with a banning in the first place?

[Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist]

Not really, bps wanted me banned for a legit reason (i think), all I'm doing here is agreeing with a column, but since nearly everyone here will defend the Almighty Jarrett to the end of the earth, I find myself rehashing my old arguments agin

 

But believe me, thats not what i wanted to do.

[Guest Dids]

Case.

 

In.

 

Point.

 

If you think you're making a lucid argument- you're clearly insane.

 

and this has nothing to do with Jarrett- that's all in your head.

[Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist]

It has everything to do with Jarrett if he's the one stupid enough to give Luger a job he doesn't deserve

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

More 1inch dragging other people into arguments un-related to the thread.

 

This is about LUGER. Not Your wet dream lover Raven and Jeff Jarrett.

 

Wheres BPS to finish the job? He warned you for the same shit a few weeks ago, you leave for 2 days, and come back worse than ever. Jesus Christ almighty.

 

You might as well hate EVERY wrestler, since 95% of the nationally (and internationally) known stars have done drugs at some points in their careers or are serious addicts.

[Guest dvkorn]

Luger has drawn... he's been in the main event of a number of good - large buyrates for WCW/NWA...

 

Can we get some actual proof please?

 

Alright...

 

The Great American Bash 1988 - Flair Vs Luger... got a 2.20 buyrate... One of the the NWA's (WCW) biggest buyrates ever... something that should be noted as well... the Flair/Funk main event of 1989 GAB got a 1.50..

 

Starrcade 88 - Another Flair/Luger got a 1.80 buyrate...

 

WrestleWar 1990 - Flair/Luger 1.6 buyrate

 

Capital Combat 1990 - 1.4 buyrate

 

The Great American Bash 91 - Luger/Windam... 1.0 what also should be noted is that this was not long after Flair left WCW and this also was one of the worst ppvs of all time...

 

Havoc 91 - Luger/Simmons 0.8 buyrate...

 

Clash 17 - Luger/Rick Steiner got a rating of 4.3

 

SuperBrawl II - Sting/Luger got a 0.96

 

i couldn't be fucked going through all the mid 90's so now to 1997

 

Road Wild - the Hogan/Luger rematch from nitro 0.65 buyrate... which was probably in the middle level for 97 in 97 for buyrates..

Plus that Hogan/Luger nitro match got the highest rating for Nitro WCW had ever had until that point... And 3 weeks after that... Luger/Savage main event for nitro that nitro got the higest rating ever up to that point as well...

 

I think he and savage main evented Souled Out 98 along with Flair and Bret plus there was a huge anouncement regarding Hogan/Sting so i won't include that one...

 

I don't think he main evented another ppv after that... maybe the WWA show but i don't know where to find buyrates for that... As for the later WCW shows that Sting and Luger wrestled on they weren't the main event so the buyrate cannot be directly attributed to that plus the fact that at the time they did wrestle WCW was in a shocking state...

 

So, saying luger never was a draw in flat out wrong he has been apart of some of the biggest buyrates in WCW/NWA history...

 

 

And if it a only a one or two deal then i see nothing wrong with it... TNA are trying to reach that next level and bringing in names and trying to get their own talent over is a good way to go about it...

 

What talent gets over by having Luger in the ring? Just one- AJ. And who knows if this match will help him.

 

Well, he is only in one match so having only one talent get over on him if that is gonna be the case... is fine... you can't ask for much more...

 

 

I am by no means a fan of Lex Luger... i only did this because people were pointing out wrong information...

 

I do think that Luger will spike the buys... i do not know by how much whether it be 1 or 1000... but i think he will...

[Guest Devin]

I remember when this board actually had intelligent discussions on TNA. Can someone ban this guy already???