Guest jpclemmons Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 is it because of the tough enough incident????
Downhome Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 A better question is just how in the hell does WWE expect the fans to take to Bob Holly as some sort of "threat" to Brock Lesnar, after using him for shit for the majority of his career. I happen to like the guy, and WANT to see him get a push, but I don't understand the logic of this sort of push, right now.
Downhome Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 By the way, I believe the hate for Holly stems from him simply being a dick.
Fökai Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 A better question is just how in the hell does WWE expect the fans to take to Bob Holly as some sort of "threat" to Brock Lesnar, after using him for shit for the majority of his career. It's pure HATE that will drive Holly - fans will believe that he won't hold back on Lesnar, even if he gets eliminated early. It's one of the few angles that you can't fuck up - seemingly because it writes itself.
Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 Its because he's from an era of the WWE that us fans would like to forget (1995!!!! For god's sake), he is repeatedly pushed despite having little talent, and he's stiff Oddly enough, I loved the guy during the super-heavyweights phase, but all the charisma he had back then has evaporated and i hate his stupid-ass catchphrase
DrainYou42 Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 Because he isn't a race car driver anymore.
EdwardKnoxII Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 Question I remember once when I wrestler, I think either Mick Foley or Al Snow, was going to face Holly. And to mock him they came out to the old Spark Plugg music and dressed like a race car driver. Does anyone else remember this?
Guest Ray Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 Being stiff isn't necessarily a bad thing. (see Hansen, Stan)
Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 Being stiff isn't necessarily a bad thing. (see Hansen, Stan) Its is when your'e a lousy wrestler and you can't back it up, which is exactly what happened to him against Lesnar - he thought he'd take advantage of the rookie, a rookie who could out wrestle him with one arm tied behind his back. After that, he decides to be an unco-operate fuck, and gets dropped on his head as a result. Oddly enough, they did this angle before, with Holly and Kurt Angle, and it bombed, and I expect this to bomb just as badly
Fökai Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 Question I remember once when I wrestler, I think either Mick Foley or Al Snow, was going to face Holly. And to mock him they came out to the old Spark Plugg music and dressed like a race car driver. Does anyone else remember this? Yes. It was Al Snow, on the same night he debuted Pierre. May 2nd, 1999 episode of HEAT.
BifEverchad Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 By the way, I believe the hate for Holly stems from him simply being a dick. Thats why I hate the bastard. - bucktooth asshole - boring style - generic look - stiff worker - been around for at least 8 or 9 years and hasnt been good enough to garner a decent push - he is being pushed as a threat against Lesnar
Guest Boddicker Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 I thought he had some pretty good high-flying skills when he was Sparky. I don't know if he resents the fact that he "never got a break" while all the other "Johnny come latelys" were getting placed higher on the card than he was, but I started losing respect for him when he became a jerk. I know the general consenseus is that he's a legitimate tough guy, but when he starts going into business for himself out of shear jealousy, I can see why people would be put off.
Guest Mulatto Heat Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 Let's make no mistake about it - unless it's against a greenhorn half his size, Holly is NOT a stiff worker. These new video packages are a freakin' riot because those saying how tough he is were doubtless strongly encouraged to do so from the Office. What's ironic is that his "angry because of his lack of push" act has a lot to do with what's keeping him from any upward mobility. Oh, and his 'kick my opponent in the nuts when he's hung up on the rope' thing is really stupid.
razazteca Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 Because Bob Holly is a heel, you have to hate all of the heels [/Duh] Too bad there are 8 other wrestlers that look just like him and are using the same damn gimmick.
BifEverchad Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 Because Bob Holly is a heel, you have to hate all of the heels [/Duh] Too bad there are 8 other wrestlers that look just like him and are using the same damn gimmick. and who would they be?
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 Holly's best chance at a push of any real meaning was to beat Kurt Angle after he returned from the arm injury. But they never really went with it, so whatever.
Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 Holly's best chance at a push of any real meaning was to beat Kurt Angle after he returned from the arm injury. But they never really went with it, so whatever. That was what I was referring to. Holly came back the night after the Survivor Series (or maybe a month before) and started a mini-program, but it never went anywhere
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 Holly's best chance at a push of any real meaning was to beat Kurt Angle after he returned from the arm injury. But they never really went with it, so whatever. That was what I was referring to. Holly came back the night after the Survivor Series (or maybe a month before) and started a mini-program, but it never went anywhere Ironically, if they had pulled the trigger on a couple midcard pushes instead of relying on Rock and HHH (Holly, Venis, jump to mind here) they wouldn't have been in such dire straits in early 2001 when HHH and a few others went down AND they'd have WWE grown stars now but whatever.
BifEverchad Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 Big tall angry with the Look. That aint a gimmick. Thats a wrestler.
razazteca Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 So they come in 3 forms? 1. Bald 2. Beard 3. Tatoo
BifEverchad Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 So they come in 3 forms? 1. Bald 2. Beard 3. Tatoo Bob Holly has none of those. - Bald-ing, yes. Bald, no. - Beard, no. - Tatoo, none that are visable.
Fökai Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 Holly's best chance at a push of any real meaning was to beat Kurt Angle after he returned from the arm injury. But they never really went with it, so whatever. That was what I was referring to. Holly came back the night after the Survivor Series (or maybe a month before) and started a mini-program, but it never went anywhere ...because Angle was the world champion at this point. People dug the Holly/Angle feud, but Kurt had bigger fish to fry at this point (i.e. FIVE other wrestlers in the Armageddon HITC).
PsychoDriver Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 I just never could stand him. Let's see: He's annoying Appears to have an big attitude problem when he's lucky to have a job peroid. Hasn't the slightest bit of talent, yet has kept a job with the world's biggest wrestling company for 10 years now. Beat Mike Awesome in 2001 when Awesome still had a chance to get over He will never, ever be over. Gets Pushes while Tommy Dreamer, Ultimo Dragon and others with more talent job on the B shows. Still has a job when more talented performers where let go (Really he should have been canned when the Godfather and the rest of the junk was) Whenever he is on I always change the channel and sometimes never change back. He generates that X-Pac/Stephanie McMahone "go away and never come back" type of heat. eh, in closing... I just don't like the guy.
razazteca Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 So they come in 3 forms? 1. Bald 2. Beard 3. Tatoo Bob Holly has none of those. - Bald-ing, yes. Bald, no. - Beard, no. - Tatoo, none that are visable. But he is still a blond and a Super Heavyweight.
BifEverchad Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 So they come in 3 forms? 1. Bald 2. Beard 3. Tatoo Bob Holly has none of those. - Bald-ing, yes. Bald, no. - Beard, no. - Tatoo, none that are visable. But he is still a blond and a Super Heavyweight. Yup, him and Crash...
Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 People dug the Holly/Angle feud, but Kurt had bigger fish to fry at this point (i.e. FIVE other wrestlers in the Armageddon HITC). Eh, hello, I think Brock has bigger fish to fry at the moment
razazteca Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 Bob Holly needs another gimmick or be on Raw.
Fökai Posted November 9, 2003 Report Posted November 9, 2003 People dug the Holly/Angle feud, but Kurt had bigger fish to fry at this point (i.e. FIVE other wrestlers in the Armageddon HITC). Eh, hello, I think Brock has bigger fish to fry at the moment Was that my point? You said... Oddly enough, they did this angle before, with Holly and Kurt Angle, and it bombed, and I expect this to bomb just as badly That was what I was referring to. Holly came back the night after the Survivor Series (or maybe a month before) and started a mini-program, but it never went anywhere and then I said... ...because Angle was the world champion at this point. People dug the Holly/Angle feud, but Kurt had bigger fish to fry at this point (i.e. FIVE other wrestlers in the Armageddon HITC). This feud won't "bomb", even though that term can't be applied to a mini-feud like this in the first place. Lesnar simply has bigger fish to fry with Benoit and Angle.
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