Slayer 0 Report post Posted December 7, 2003 KSU winning + KU losing = a VERY good day Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 *bump* Anyone like Dick Vitale? His constant ass kissing of the coaches is sickening. In Dickie V's mind, they never do anything wrong, and if a team doesn't play well, it's certaintly not their fault. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 Jesus christ....that Florida/Maryland game was intense. Great effort by both teams. Impressive for Florida to come back from being behind 17 points. Even more impressive for Maryland to remain undazed by the comeback and hold on to win the game. Great game... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cartman 0 Report post Posted December 11, 2003 All I got to say is GO PC! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted December 12, 2003 Good game tonight. OU wins in the last few seconds with a great shot while covered in defense. Good game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 If anyone's near a TV, go turn it to that Missouri-Gonzaga game, going to OT, and even since the second half this game has been unreal, although I think about 5 guys will foul out in OT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 And right after it is the Michigan State/Kentucky, Ford Field game where they are going to try to set a new attendance record. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2003 This could finally be Gonzaga's year to get to the Final Four. They have a SOLID team that no one will want to play. Having said that, watch them finish 28-2 and get a 5 or 6 seed again, like when they got jobbed two years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2003 Jarvis fired at St.John's. espn.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jimbo Report post Posted December 21, 2003 *bump* Anyone like Dick Vitale? His constant ass kissing of the coaches is sickening. In Dickie V's mind, they never do anything wrong, and if a team doesn't play well, it's certaintly not their fault. I like Vitale, a lot... When he does the Duke games, it's hilarious to hear him start hootin' and hollerin' because he fits so well with the atmosphere. But, if he started doign Final Four games, I might get a litle angry, I doubt I could handle him there. He'd be so friggin' insane during the March Madness games...he's already about to fly out of his chair when they anylize them... Anyway, who saw the Kentucky/Indiana and Duke/Texas games? Yeesh, what a bunch of blow outs... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lomasmoney 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2003 Carolina vs Wake was a classic. 119-114 in triple ot. What a game. Looking at the rankings, is the ACC loaded or what. You have what 4 top ten teams in Duke, Ga. Tech, Carolina, and Wake, and then you have schools like NC State and Maryland who always find ways to win games. Let's not forget Florida State who always manages to steal a game or two from the big boys of the conference Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted December 21, 2003 I'm like the only person I know who likes Dick Vitale. He could make a Middle Tennesee State vs. Central Washington game seem like an Elite 8 matchup. On the negative side, he does ride Duke's nuts pretty hard, and he gets a little too indignant about kids leaving school early/skipping school, but other than that he's great. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2003 My problem is he'll never criticize any head coach, and will give them all the credit if the team plays well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted December 21, 2003 Remember when everyone was talking about how brutal Michigan State's non-conference schedule was? I don't remember hearing anyone put UCLA into the group along with Duke, Kentucky, Oklahoma and all the other tough teams MSU played. That just shows how far UCLA has fallen. Anyway, UCLA went and beat the Spartans today, putting MSU at 4-5. So was the tough non-conference schedule a good idea? Bad idea? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2003 Not worth is. They could have had 2 or 3 of those teams on the schedule, and by seasons they would still probably have one of the best power ratings in the country. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2003 Count me as someone who can't stand Dick Vitale. I remember a little while back seeing a game on ESPN Classic from like 1986 or 1987 between I think Boston College and Providence. Vitale was doing the game and he was excellent. He was much more understated but not to the point where he was boring and when an exciting play, only then would he go into his shtick. Now he's just a parody of his ownself getting overly excited about every other play during a game. Oh and Vern is right about the never critcizing coaches thing. In Vitale's world no coach in college basketball can do anything wrong. I remember just the other day when Mike Jarvis was fired there was immediately a column up on espn.com by Vitale ripping St. John's a new one for firing him. Now right or wrong Vitale does this ALL THE TIME when a coach is fired to the point where I think he just writes the same exact thing every time and just cuts and pastes the latest coach to be fired. One other thing that bothers me about Vitale is the guy is incredibly biased towards the ACC especially Duke and North Carolina to the point where its just sickening. The guy lost any credibility the first time he ever uttered the word "Dukies". I personally can't watch any game Vitale does anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted December 21, 2003 I honestly never noticed the defending-coaches thing. How does Vitale react whenever a scandal-ridden coach gets fired? Like Dave Bliss (Baylor), Jim Harrick (Georgia) or Larry "Frank the Tank" Eustachy (Iowa State). Or a coach from a team that just flat-out sucks? I'm pretty sure I remember Vitale had a sit-down interview with Harrick right in the middle of the academic fraud/payoff thing last year, but it might not have been Vitale. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jimbo Report post Posted December 21, 2003 Yeah, I hardly noticed the thing about defending coaches untill now, and he IS CORRECT about the idiots who leave school early for the NBA. It's hurting the NCAA, but thankfully, not as badly as it's hurting the NBA. If the NBA wants to get any better, they ought to tell these kids to go through college, but whatever, everyone needs their bling-bling... Vitale is wrong about Jarvis: he fucked himself over. As an avid big east fan, I've been watching St. John's and being from Washington D.C., I saw Jarvis at GW before, I've noticed a disturbing trend in his recruiting and coaching. He MUST have a great guard who does EVERYTHING. He's a good coach, but he seemingly ONLY recruits the great 'ballers of NYC, and it is screwing him over. These kids can play street and HS ball, but their total lack of understanding of the game (besides driving to the hoop for 360, under the leg, behind the back reverse layups and tossing up 46 ft. 3's) and the inability to even master the most basic fundementals like shooting a normal, set jump shot, has killed him. He got lucky with Artest and Cook. But anyone who remembers cook remembers a speedy 'highlight reel' freshman gaurd who was a pretty good passer, but couldn't shoot for shit and was in a terrific situation. Thus the greatness of Cook was amazingly passed upon in the NBA draft and he know rides hte pine in the NBDL. But anyway, the reasoning for his firing probably traces back to his terrible recruting erros intrying to get everyone from the streets and not actually having an offense... There offense the 2 previous years has been this: Give the ball to Marcus Hatten and let him shoot it, and when he misses (don't worry, he will, don't let the 23 ppg thing fool you, he took 35 shots a game and was fouled a dozen times), make sure the beefy (but undersized) 'centers' you've got try and get the rebound and make a 'lay up'. That was it. There is no other motions to it. That's it. Scary, ain't it? Especially when the whole game depends on who well Hatten shoots. They scored only 43 points in a game last year because Hatten couldn't make a shot to save his life. Thsi year, it's the same thing, but now they've got even WORSE people shooting, and they don't have the inside players. Not sure if anyone saw the Duke/St. John's game,, but it was almost humorous how badly they played at points. They'd run down, give it to Elijah Wood, and he'd chuck up a random 3. That being said, I'd love to see Jarvis replace Craig Esherick here at Georgetown, as he's the most pathetic 'caoch' I've ever seen. He can't recruit whatsoever, can't teach an offense, and has neither shown any guidance as to hwo to fix the the rebounding or pres defense problems (and they're the supposed trademarks of G'Town, good grief...I almost with John Thompson was back coaching because atleast we had a shitty offense, but Alonzo and Mutombo and Ewing were a lot close to the rim, and they could play defense/rebound...) anywho, I'm going off on random rants now, ta ta.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted December 22, 2003 After ESPN aired The Season on St. John's, I started half-ass following Jarvis and the team (or about as well as I could from Seattle). I wanted to find out what happened with that one kid who quit the team, the guy who had a kid and was married (Anthony Glover?), and the kid who was living at home and taking care of his mom. But I also remember Big Curt, a 7-foot-2, 300-something pounder who was the WORST basketball player I'd EVER seen. He only played in garbage time at best, and was kind of the team's "big dumb kid" mascot. Then I look at St. John's roster this year and Big Curt is starting! I guess that kind of sums up how bad they are. And I totally agree that G-Town needs to get rid of Esherick. I read that something like six players have transferred in his tenure, and they never seem to get any of the better recruits, so there's got to be something about his personality that kids just don't like. He's like Jarvis in the sense that he didn't have any good teams without Braswell doing everything. As far as Vitale and kids leaving school...if you were in college and the company you wanted to eventually work for said, "We'll hire you even if you don't finish school," AND they paid you about $2 million a year, wouldn't you drop out of school and take the job? I agree that some guys come out too early, when they're not ready for the League, but Vitale gets mad at nearly every kid who comes out early short of the superduperstars like Carmelo and LeBron. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2003 I'm not sure what Vitale thought about Eustachy. Bliss was beyond making excuses for, and Harrick was one about Strike 4. But in the past he's criticized UCLA for firing Harrick. Despite strong if not conclusive evidence he cheated. He does that all the time with coaches. It's an outrage if their fired, or if a player leaves early. He doesn't care if a coach leaves in the middle of his contract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2003 As far as Vitale and kids leaving school...if you were in college and the company you wanted to eventually work for said, "We'll hire you even if you don't finish school," AND they paid you about $2 million a year, wouldn't you drop out of school and take the job? I agree that some guys come out too early, when they're not ready for the League, but Vitale gets mad at nearly every kid who comes out early short of the superduperstars like Carmelo and LeBron. I agree with Dick. This is why I love the NFL with job requirements and what people don't talk about that guys like Vitale read about are the young kids who enter the draft and don't get drafted. And of course Dick loves coaches, he used to be a coach. Just like Digger loves coaches. And what is the point of praising a school for firing a guy who is getting young men a chance in life, which should be a damn lot more important than some bottom line. You leave school early, you might end up getting burned for being a moron like Jarron Rush is now being burnt. And coaches, who graduate players and get other kids who usually wouldn't have a chance to get to college a chance in college to better themselves should not be fired. People don't talk about the kids who don't make it but guys like Vitale and Phelps are well aware what becomes of the kids who just jump for the fact they have the false lies of stardom filled in their heads by friends and family. And Florida St. is actually very good this year and might sneak into the tournament. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jimbo Report post Posted December 22, 2003 After ESPN aired The Season on St. John's, I started half-ass following Jarvis and the team (or about as well as I could from Seattle). I wanted to find out what happened with that one kid who quit the team, the guy who had a kid and was married (Anthony Glover?), and the kid who was living at home and taking care of his mom. But I also remember Big Curt, a 7-foot-2, 300-something pounder who was the WORST basketball player I'd EVER seen. He only played in garbage time at best, and was kind of the team's "big dumb kid" mascot. Then I look at St. John's roster this year and Big Curt is starting! I guess that kind of sums up how bad they are. And I totally agree that G-Town needs to get rid of Esherick. I read that something like six players have transferred in his tenure, and they never seem to get any of the better recruits, so there's got to be something about his personality that kids just don't like. He's like Jarvis in the sense that he didn't have any good teams without Braswell doing everything. As far as Vitale and kids leaving school...if you were in college and the company you wanted to eventually work for said, "We'll hire you even if you don't finish school," AND they paid you about $2 million a year, wouldn't you drop out of school and take the job? I agree that some guys come out too early, when they're not ready for the League, but Vitale gets mad at nearly every kid who comes out early short of the superduperstars like Carmelo and LeBron. Yeah, Esherick sucessfully pissed off our 2 starting gaurds and Mike Sweetney, who wanted to comeback for another year, but didn't because of Esherick. But it wasn't only the players, he ran out 2 assistant coaches and reaplaced htem with the awesomeness that Jaren Jackson and Lefty Driesell's son...*bangs head on wall* Had they just dropped out of the first round of the NIT, everything would have been great, but noooo, they had to get to the finals (where they played like absolute trash). I am positive that if they hadn't done so well in that silly tournement, eh wuld hav ebeen fired, but isntead, he got a 6 year extension! *bangs head again* Also, since you all are chatting about these commentators who love coaches...what commentators don't love them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted December 25, 2003 Fran Fraschilla might not be loving coaches right now... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fazzle 0 Report post Posted December 28, 2003 (edited) UNCW is playing the Tarheels, and the halftime score is is a whopping 23-18, Tarheels. Just remembered the game was today. At least I didn't miss a *good* half. Edit: 71-54 final. Just took a bit longer to get to the expected killing. Edited December 28, 2003 by fazzle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2004 Wow. Syracuse is laying an absolute shitkicking on Michigan State in the second half. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted January 4, 2004 Okay, NOW I'm sure Izzo is regretting having such a tough schedule. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2004 I'm starting a FireDanMonson.com webpage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cartman 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2004 Incredible game on ESPN right now...Providence vs. Texas. Go PC! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted January 6, 2004 Hmmm.......my Sooners are in the top 10. But I've compared the way they play to other Top ranked teams....no real comparison. They look lost to me compared to the top 5 teams. So.....I don't expect them to go far. Ah well..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mole 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 Well MIGHTY... My UConn is number 1 and is up by 3 with 8:34 left. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
