My thoughts on TNA

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1. The whole redshirt security angle right now has to go. Its way stale and Callus annointing Legend to replace Wilson is just dumb. They should scrap the whole idea...... Legend has talent and is pretty good on the mic so they should let him go off on his own.

 

2. Are D-Lo Brown and Jerry Lynn coming back? They need Lynn back imo because he is a great worker and knows how to make other weaker workers look good. D-Lo would be a good addition to the weak main event picture.

 

3. Bring back Malice to feud with Raven. When Father Jim Mitchell comes back, he could have Malice seek revenge on Raven.

 

4. Bring back the SAT's. They were awesome and would spice up the tag team picture.

 

5. Let C.M. Punk go singles. Julio is a good worker but doesn't seem to have much personality and Punk could have awesome matches with Raven and Styles.

 

I'm bored so I just felt like adding my 2 cents.....

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

2. Are D-Lo Brown and Jerry Lynn coming back? They need Lynn back imo because he is a great worker and knows how to make other weaker workers look good. D-Lo would be a good addition to the weak main event picture.

 

D'Lo's in the AJPW Real World Tag League so he'll be gone a bit. Lynn doesn't want to take the paycut he's been offered.

 

 

3. Bring back Malice to feud with Raven. When Father Jim Mitchell comes back, he could have Malice seek revenge on Raven.

 

Waste of money and airtime. Waste of Raven too.

 

 

4. Bring back the SAT's. They were awesome and would spice up the tag team picture.

 

Considering they suck, no.

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Bring back the SAT's. They were awesome and would spice up the tag team picture.

 

I hate these guys.

 

They give spot monkeys a bad name.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

And on a sadder note, the SAT are opening a WRESTLING School, promosing us more spotty wrestlers who are only good on certain days.

[Guest JacK]

The SAT's are all right, I don't mind spot-ness . . . but all Redshirts suck. They ALL suck; the quicker they do ACTUAL security at the building, rather than be on TV the better. What's odd is Northcutt said in an interview he has 2 Black Belts, so why doesn't he do any martial arts stuff? That'd be quite cool, a big dude doing actual Martial Arts kicks, and not pissy generic 'big boots' and such.

Julio's all right, but they're better off in a Tag Team than singles at the moment, otherwise they'd just be jobbing fodder.

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1. The whole redshirt security angle right now has to go. Its way stale and Callus annointing Legend to replace Wilson is just dumb. They should scrap the whole idea...... Legend has talent and is pretty good on the mic so they should let him go off on his own.

 

Most would agree that the "Red Shirt Security" is pretty stupid for a gimmick, but in reality they're doing a decent job of building up a monster heel tag team that aren't bad for their size. If they changed their name and gave them some ring tights it would be a lot better. As for Legend, the only impression I've gotten is that he's no more than a mediocre indy level talent.

 

2. Are D-Lo Brown and Jerry Lynn coming back? They need Lynn back imo because he is a great worker and knows how to make other weaker workers look good. D-Lo would be a good

addition to the weak main event picture.

 

Dlo's touring Japan, so it's up to him when he wants to come back. As for Jerry Lynn, he refused to sign a new deal that would cut his pay down from $700 to $400. He apparently was not happy about being portrayed as "the bitter 40 year old", so for now they're on the outs. I agree they should come to a compromise as Lynn made everyone he was in the ring with better.

 

3. Bring back Malice to feud with Raven. When Father Jim Mitchell comes back, he could have Malice seek revenge on Raven.

 

Malice is no longer a regular because of his drinking problems/heroin addiction/WWE developement deal/WWE full time deal/other indy commitments/bad attitude....choose your rumor. They've tried him twice, he hasn't worked out for whatever reason.

 

4. Bring back the SAT's. They were awesome and would spice up the tag team picture.

 

I kind of liked the SATs too, but they are no longer used because they were out of shape, blew too many spots and showed up late too many times. Plus TNA wants to move away from a crazy spot style.

 

5. Let C.M. Punk go singles. Julio is a good worker but doesn't seem to have much personality and Punk could have awesome matches with Raven and Styles.

 

Pateince, that's the plan, but TNA likes to let their angles slow burn instead of hotshotting feuds and turns.

[Guest The Last Free Voice]

What he said....

[Guest Coffey]

The SAT's are trash. Which is what I think of Amazing Red too, so there ya go. I'm glad that NWA:TNA wants to get away from the shitty botch-spot machines. So, I disagree, don't bring them back.

 

I'm not too keen on the "Red Shirt Security" stuff either, but it could be worse. Remember Cheex? Alright. I could do with less of them, but if it makes for better TV in the long run (I.E. a team other than AMW) then I'm all for it.

 

Malice is awful. He's always been awful, he'll always be awful. The Wall sucked, and adding a bad haircut with bad tattoos and more drugs won't make you any better in the ring. Once again, I disagree with you, and keep this slop shit off the TV. Besides, NWA:TNA have Abyss, and he's at least three times as good as Malice. At least.

 

CM Punk seems to be on the up & up. I say just wait this one out. Julio, on the other hand, well he can bump at least.

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CM Punk should leave Dinero I agree with that.

 

I like a good spotfest as much as the next guy, but look at the SATs. These guys can't even do a SPOTFEST. They go on for 5 minutes in a tag match and blow up.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

1. The whole redshirt security angle right now has to go. Its way stale and Callus annointing Legend to replace Wilson is just dumb. They should scrap the whole idea...... Legend has talent and is pretty good on the mic so they should let him go off on his own.

 

2. Are D-Lo Brown and Jerry Lynn coming back? They need Lynn back imo because he is a great worker and knows how to make other weaker workers look good. D-Lo would be a good addition to the weak main event picture.

 

3. Bring back Malice to feud with Raven. When Father Jim Mitchell comes back, he could have Malice seek revenge on Raven.

 

4. Bring back the SAT's. They were awesome and would spice up the tag team picture.

 

5. Let C.M. Punk go singles. Julio is a good worker but doesn't seem to have much personality and Punk could have awesome matches with Raven and Styles.

 

I'm bored so I just felt like adding my 2 cents.....

1. I agree that they are totally wasting Legend with this fucktard angle that is soooooo stale.

 

2. Dlo is currently wrestling in All Japan, but will be back soon. Jerry Lynn actually might not be coming back considering that they asked him to take a pay cut. He refused, and hasn't been used since.

 

3. Malice is terrible. Honestly it would be pointless to waste Raven fighting him. Once again to reinerate my point.........Malice is terrible

 

4. The SAT's are WAAAAAAAAAY too spotty. They only way they are any good is if they are fighting veteran opponents who keep them grounded, and to put it simply they don't have anyone to work with them.

 

5. CORRECT. I agree as Punk is being totally wasted by throwing him in a tag team that hardly even wrestles.

 

good points anyway.......

[Guest vicvenomjr]

1. The whole redshirt security angle right now has to go. Its way stale and Callus annointing Legend to replace Wilson is just dumb. They should scrap the whole idea...... Legend has talent and is pretty good on the mic so they should let him go off on his own.

*****I like the security angle, original and gives bigger guys a reason to be on the show. Also gives Cyrus back-up without him having his own faction that was overdone at length by the McMahons.

 

2. Are D-Lo Brown and Jerry Lynn coming back? They need Lynn back imo because he is a great worker and knows how to make other weaker workers look good. D-Lo would be a good addition to the weak main event picture.

*****there is nothing to do with either of them. Bring them back as an evil tag team because that's all you can do with them due to their vanilla nature.

 

3. Bring back Malice to feud with Raven. When Father Jim Mitchell comes back, he could have Malice seek revenge on Raven.

*****yikes, I always liked Malice's look and never understood why he wasn't pushed to the moon during the early stages of TNA.

 

4. Bring back the SAT's. They were awesome and would spice up the tag team picture.

*****God no. SAT's are terrible in-ring,very s....l....o....w. No mic skills and are no where near the major league level on TNA's current tag teams.

 

5. Let C.M. Punk go singles. Julio is a good worker but doesn't seem to have much personality and Punk could have awesome matches with Raven and Styles.

*****CM and Julio would be best to tag for the next year, win the straps and keep them for a few months. TNA needs a real young tag team. Then, push CM as a singles star. No need to rush. Have him kill Julio (ala Rockers) along the way.

 

I'm bored so I just felt like adding my 2 cents.....

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I like the security angle, original and gives bigger guys a reason to be on the show. Also gives Cyrus back-up without him having his own faction that was overdone at length by the McMahons.

 

To be honest I don't WANT an excuse for bigger guys to be on the show. OK, so their big, what else do they have that I wanna see ? They're not too great in the ring. It's not a Strong Man Show. It's a WRESTLING show.

 

there is nothing to do with either of them. Bring them back as an evil tag team because that's all you can do with them due to their vanilla nature

 

Do ya wanna know WHY people like them ? Because they can WRESTLE. Not like the security. This is where Russo wen't wrong. He made the good wrestlers look bland so as the guys he put on top looked better by comparison. It's silly that the wrestling skills of these people should be ignored because you think they are 'vanilla'

 

God no. SAT's are terrible in-ring,very s....l....o....w. No mic skills and are no where near the major league level on TNA's current tag teams

 

What major tag teams do you refer to. And I would rather watch the SATs than some green security people. They ARE slow though but I've never seem em on the mic.

 

CM and Julio would be best to tag for the next year, win the straps and keep them for a few months. TNA needs a real young tag team. Then, push CM as a singles star. No need to rush. Have him kill Julio (ala Rockers) along the way

 

The one thing I totally agree on. No point in a sudden ( oh, lets split them ). They've been a team for a while so they should have a sort of slow build and then a break. If they get lucky, they could produce two MAJOR stars.

[Guest vicvenomjr]

To be honest I don't WANT an excuse for bigger guys to be on the show. OK, so their big, what else do they have that I wanna see ? They're not too great in the ring. It's not a Strong Man Show. It's a WRESTLING show.

*****If your going to compete with the WWE your going to have to have a big man presence on your roster to not completely look minor league. They don't have to be your champs but they do have to be on the roster because the WWE is just so full of big men.

 

Do ya wanna know WHY people like them ? Because they can WRESTLE. Not like the security. This is where Russo wen't wrong. He made the good wrestlers look bland so as the guys he put on top looked better by comparison. It's silly that the wrestling skills of these people should be ignored because you think they are 'vanilla'

*****The best rasslers can do both talk and rassle. Jerry and D'lo cannot talk. Do you see either of these guys carrying the company's belt, no. Why? Because their character persona is boring. Besides the rassling ability why should I care about Jerry or D'lo? There is no reason at all. Please don't bring russo into this, because the man got a bunch of no talent humps like Mideon over, during his WWF run.

 

What major tag teams do you refer to. And I would rather watch the SATs than some green security people. They ARE slow though but I've never seem em on the mic.

***** 3LK, AMW, Simon and Swinger, Fatu and Siaki, are all major league. SAT's expose the business.

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The best rasslers can do both talk and rassle. Jerry and D'lo cannot talk. Do you see either of these guys carrying the company's belt, no. Why? Because their character persona is boring. Besides the rassling ability why should I care about Jerry or D'lo? There is no reason at all. Please don't bring russo into this, because the man got a bunch of no talent humps like Mideon over, during his WWF run.

 

Mideon was NOT over. The Ministry as a WHOLE was over and it wasn't for any other reason than The Undertaker. Then again, you DO make my point. Mideon isn't a lightweight, so he is made to look better than the guys that CAN wrestle. Jerry Lynn was WAY over with the crowd in the first few weeks. Why ? NOT cause he was good on the mic. NOT cause he was a big guy, but because he was a great wrestler, and the fans liked him because of it. Defend Russo all you want, but he doesn't like lightweight wrestlers, and Jerry Lynn's blandness was directly involved with the fact that Russo was booking.

[Guest vicvenomjr]

Mideon was NOT over.

*****did he have a persona the fans knew about, yeap.

 

The Ministry as a WHOLE was over and it wasn't for any other reason than The Undertaker.

*****so that means every guy in there was over.

 

Then again, you DO make my point. Mideon isn't a lightweight, so he is made to look better than the guys that CAN wrestle.

*****Russo has pushed numerous guys who could rassle, Benoit, Eddie, Booker in WCW to name a few.

 

Jerry Lynn was WAY over with the crowd in the first few weeks.

*****why didn't it last.

 

Why ? NOT cause he was good on the mic. NOT cause he was a big guy, but because he was a great wrestler, and the fans liked him because of it.

*****it didn't last because no one cared about him because there was no reason to. I don't think Russo said, "I'm going to take this great rassler and kill him, because he's a great rassler." When Russo booked, Lynn won almost every match he was in.

 

Lynn can't bring it when it comes to the character department. That is something in large part a rassler needs to do on their own.

 

D'lo, the whitest black guy I've ever seen, can't do it either. What are you going to do with him? There is nothing you can do.

 

VKM as well as Heyman could never find a persona for Lynn and outside of The Nation, VKM could never find anything for D'lo either. So it isn't just russo.

 

Defend Russo all you want, but he doesn't like lightweight wrestlers, and Jerry Lynn's blandness was directly involved with the fact that Russo was booking.

*****Doesn't like lightweights....WOW.

 

How about.....A.J. STYLES.

[Guest vicvenomjr]

My overall thought on TNA is this.... they have not made one wrong move yet (business wise, storyline wise, rassler marketability wise). Not one.

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why didn't it last

 

Russo didn't want it too.

 

My overall thought on TNA is this.... they have not made one wrong move yet (business wise, storyline wise, rassler marketability wise). Not one

 

Because Micheal Shane as X Champion is a GREAT idea. OK, I admit I think he's a good wrestler, but he doesnt fit the high impact image of the X Division. Shane does get a lot of unfair stick I reckon, but I still think he's a bad X Champion.

 

did he have a persona the fans knew about, yeap

 

The fans knew about MVP, was he over ?

 

Russo has pushed numerous guys who could rassle, Benoit, Eddie, Booker in WCW to name a few

 

Eddie's push disintigrated when Russo showed up in 2000, so don't say that he got pushed. I'll credit Russo for Benoit and Booker though.

 

it didn't last because no one cared about him because there was no reason to. I don't think Russo said, "I'm going to take this great rassler and kill him, because he's a great rassler." When Russo booked, Lynn won almost every match he was in

 

He was put into a shitty fued with Justin Credible, with 3 minute matches untill getting put into a 12 minute Last Man Standing match which wasn't long enough. Four minute matches don't help either. He DID get a match with AJ Styles, but it was really played out as an easy Styles win, and Lynn was made to look weak. Russo buries who he wants to bury.

 

How about.....A.J. STYLES

 

AJ Styles was already SUPER over when Russo came in. Reason for that was he is the best wrestler in TNA and NOT the best talker.

 

Lynn can't bring it when it comes to the character department. That is something in large part a rassler needs to do on their own

 

Why do you watch wrestling ? For talking ?

[Guest Your Olympic Hero]

3. Bring back Malice to feud with Raven. When Father Jim Mitchell comes back, he could have Malice seek revenge on Raven.

Well, you can scratch that one off the list now. RIP.

[Corey_Lazarus 0]

My overall thought on TNA is this.... they have not made one wrong move yet (business wise, storyline wise, rassler marketability wise). Not one.

Then why is apathy amongst TNA fans at an all-time high? Why was AJ Styles booked as a lame duck champion between Jarrett's reigns, one that needed AN OUT-OF-SHAPE LONG ISLAND NATIVE WITH A BROOKLYN ACCENT to defeat an OUT-OF-SHAPE OLD MAN THAT COULD BARELY MOVE? Then why are most fans in the Asylum papered and not responsive?

 

I think those three pretty much show TNA is doing something wrong. When the fanbase says the product is boring, then you need to spice it up. And TNA is about as bland as turkey right now.

[Guest vicvenomjr]

Then why is apathy amongst TNA fans at an all-time high? Why was AJ Styles booked as a lame duck champion between Jarrett's reigns, one that needed AN OUT-OF-SHAPE LONG ISLAND NATIVE WITH A BROOKLYN ACCENT to defeat an OUT-OF-SHAPE OLD MAN THAT COULD BARELY MOVE?

*****What?

 

Then why are most fans in the Asylum papered and not responsive?

*****VKM killed the industry.

 

I think those three pretty much show TNA is doing something wrong. When the fanbase says the product is boring, then you need to spice it up. And TNA is about as bland as turkey right now.

*****nah tag title chase is interesting, so is the X-Division, so is Raven, so is Abyss and so is JJ, even though I don't care for him.

 

VKM killed the industry it will need a lot to be repaired.

[Guest vicvenomjr]

Russo didn't want it too.

*****all due respect that's a dumb statement. Lynn never lost with Russo booking, ever.

 

Because Micheal Shane as X Champion is a GREAT idea. OK, I admit I think he's a good wrestler, but he doesnt fit the high impact image of the X Division. Shane does get a lot of unfair stick I reckon, but I still think he's a bad X Champion.

*****he's the champ because he can talk, no one else in the division (sans Daniels) can.

 

The fans knew about MVP, was he over ?

*****What?

 

 

Eddie's push disintigrated when Russo showed up in 2000, so don't say that he got pushed. I'll credit Russo for Benoit and Booker though.

*****Eddie's push reguvinated with Russo.

 

He was put into a shitty fued with Justin Credible, with 3 minute matches untill getting put into a 12 minute Last Man Standing match which wasn't long enough.

*****Him and Credible had a great quick feud. Credible was in Japan too quick.

 

Four minute matches don't help either. He DID get a match with AJ Styles, but it was really played out as an easy Styles win, and Lynn was made to look weak. Russo buries who he wants to bury.

*****No F'n way, that match was solid.

 

AJ Styles was already SUPER over when Russo came in. Reason for that was he is the best wrestler in TNA and NOT the best talker.

*****with Russo he developed a persona, now because of the Russo effect he's more over than Raven.

 

Why do you watch wrestling ? For talking ?

*****for sports entertainment.

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What?

 

He's saying AJ needed Vince Russo's help to defeat Dusty Rhodes.

 

VKM killed the industry.

 

Blaming Vince McMahon for TNA's ills is just ignorant. What about indies that do well? Didn't Vince kill them?

 

nah tag title chase is interesting

 

AMW is just too overexposed- they need to take a break for a while and then get back in the title hunt.

 

so is the X-Division

 

Go Michael 'Resthold' Shane!

 

VKM killed the industry it will need a lot to be repaired.

 

The industry is not dead.

 

all due respect that's a dumb statement. Lynn never lost with Russo booking, ever.

 

You mean like the aggresive Jerry Lynn that lasted oh two weeks before being killed? Or the Lynn v. Credible feud?

 

he's the champ because he can talk, no one else in the division (sans Daniels) can.

 

It doesn't matter if you can talk- you have to back it up in the ring. And Sabin and Ki (somewhat) CAN talk. And apparently TNA has so much faith in Shane's mic skills- they're giving him Douglas.

 

Eddie's push reguvinated with Russo.

 

Uhhhh no it didn't. Eddy was stuck in the midcard with Russo.

 

Him and Credible had a great quick feud. Credible was in Japan too quick.

 

That feud was awful and killed both guy's heat while wasting potential gimmick matches.

 

with Russo he developed a persona, now because of the Russo effect he's more over than Raven.

 

With Russo he developed the persona of major pussy.

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Then why is apathy amongst TNA fans at an all-time high? Why was AJ Styles booked as a lame duck champion between Jarrett's reigns, one that needed AN OUT-OF-SHAPE LONG ISLAND NATIVE WITH A BROOKLYN ACCENT to defeat an OUT-OF-SHAPE OLD MAN THAT COULD BARELY MOVE?

*****What?

The fans are bored. Notice how they BARELY make a noise anymore? That's obviously because the product isn't exciting to them.

And under Russo's booking, AJ Styles became the worst-booked World champion since Chris Jericho's Undisputed title reign. AJ was made to look inferior to a man who, although has decades of experience, can barely move anymore, when AJ himself is one of the most athletic professional wrestlers on the scene today. That's a MISTAKE, and thus proving your "TNA has made no mistakes" point wrong.

 

Then why are most fans in the Asylum papered and not responsive?

*****VKM killed the industry.

Then explain why Ring Of Honor is being forced to move to bigger venues because of the size of their (PAYING) crowds, and why WWE live attendance is still fairly decent for TV and PPV.

I think those three pretty much show TNA is doing something wrong. When the fanbase says the product is boring, then you need to spice it up. And TNA is about as bland as turkey right now.

*****nah tag title chase is interesting, so is the X-Division, so is Raven, so is Abyss and so is JJ, even though I don't care for him.

The Tag chase WOULD be interesting were it not for America's Most Wanted being extremely bland in every which way. The X-Division is at its worst ever (while the title is valued slightly because Dutt and Sabin are constantly after it, the matches are usually boring, and Michael Shane is awful in every manner). Raven and Abyss are the only true highlights of TNA these days, and that's because TNA knows Raven can make even more money elsewhere, and because Mantel has a hard-on for Abyss. Jarrett is interesting, I'll give you that, right now, but guess who's in charge?

VKM killed the industry it will need a lot to be repaired.

Again, explain why RoH has to move to bigger venues, WWE still pulls some of the highest cable TV ratings, and live attendance for WWE TV and PPV is still fairly decent. Or, to use your own phrase against you, BE PRECISE.

Russo didn't want it too.

*****all due respect that's a dumb statement. Lynn never lost with Russo booking, ever.

-"Old Man Lynn" being shunned by Callis made fans want to see Lynn, and he was never brought back.

-The short feud with Credible produced nothing but bad matches whereas they used to have consistently good matches in ECW (then again, they were given time).

-Lynn's a 2-time X-Division champion for a reason: he lost the belt twice. So, under Russo, he DID lose.

Because Micheal Shane as X Champion is a GREAT idea. OK, I admit I think he's a good wrestler, but he doesnt fit the high impact image of the X Division. Shane does get a lot of unfair stick I reckon, but I still think he's a bad X Champion.

*****he's the champ because he can talk, no one else in the division (sans Daniels) can.

I don't call yelling into the microphone while not saying anything of importance, and not even delivering the lines well at all, "being able to talk." He can't go in the ring, he can't go on the mic, and TNA is so faithful in his mic skills that they've given him one of the best mic workers of all-time, Shane Douglas, to do his talking for him.

The fans knew about MVP, was he over ?

*****What?

I'm guessing there was somebody once named "MVP" that the fans KNEW about, but didn't give two shits for.

Eddie's push disintigrated when Russo showed up in 2000, so don't say that he got pushed. I'll credit Russo for Benoit and Booker though.

*****Eddie's push reguvinated with Russo.

So that explains why I can't remember a damn thing Eddie did under Russo's booking in WCW in early 2000 and late 1999 (and contrary to popular belief, I watched WCW until the very end), because his push was REJUVENATED.

He was put into a shitty fued with Justin Credible, with 3 minute matches untill getting put into a 12 minute Last Man Standing match which wasn't long enough.

*****Him and Credible had a great quick feud. Credible was in Japan too quick.

If your definition of "great" is equal to my definition of "horrible," then yes, you're right. The feud produced bad gimmick matches left and right, and the "blowoff" was a poorly-booked Texas Deathmatch (it WAS a Texas Deathmatch, as a Last Man Standing match requires NO pinfalls) where the booking would have made it seem like the feud was continuing. The overabundance of gimmicks (especially the incessant usage of CHAIN and DOG COLLAR matches, which fucking suck by nature) killed the feud from the start.

Four minute matches don't help either. He DID get a match with AJ Styles, but it was really played out as an easy Styles win, and Lynn was made to look weak. Russo buries who he wants to bury.

*****No F'n way, that match was solid.

I actually have to agree with vicvenomjr here. The match was solid, and probably the best of AJ's title reign (with AJ/LowKi being the only one to challenge it).

AJ Styles was already SUPER over when Russo came in. Reason for that was he is the best wrestler in TNA and NOT the best talker.

*****with Russo he developed a persona, now because of the Russo effect he's more over than Raven.

So I guess his persona when Russo came in was "I'm great because I'm young, cocky, and a great wrestler." Guess what his persona was before Russo? "I'm great because I'm young, cocky, and a great wrestler." Russo didn't give him shit but bad matches and a reason to not want to see him.

Why do you watch wrestling ? For talking ?

*****for sports entertainment.

Be precise. Define "sports entertainment."