tpww7 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 I guess Don West is just that much better..right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 What does another company have to do with RoH's commentary being terrible? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jingus 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 No, but Don's got his natural enthusiasm and doesn't sound forced or insincere, plus having Mike Tenay as your partner can cover up a LOT of weaknesses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 I guess Don West is just that much better..right? My, aren't we defensive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OSIcon Report post Posted December 17, 2003 I don't mind the ROH announcers. They are really unpolished, that much is for sure. They aren't real announcers in that they don't have any training or experience, so they obviously lack the polished and and polished delivery and skills that other announcers have. They also don't have the subtle nuances perfected which means sometimes going over board on hammering in a point among other thing. Â With that said, they know the storylines really well (obviously since they are the bookers) and really get them across well in most matches. The 8/16 Homicide-Corino is a perfect example of that where both announcers do a good job tying and weaving in the aspects of the story while dramatically calling the match. In most matches, they fill you in on everything you may not know or may not have picked up about the feud that lead to the match or the match itself which is the primary job of an announcer. So in that regard, I don't mind them at all. They are really unpolished but they at least have the right ideas on what an announcer is supposed to be. I am not as bothered by their "insider" calls because honestly there are very few especially when compared to other Indy feds (IWA-MS in particular). Plus, I actually dig the 'Dangerous' call. He has gotten better at delivering it so that it seems natural and it is unique which has to count for something. Â As for the topic, there are a few things I don't like about the division. First off, I probably would have named it something other than the 'Pure Wrestling' division. As people have pointed out, when you have a division named that, the question that pops into mind is: "If this is pure wrestling, what are all the other matches?" I'm not quite sure what I would call it, but it would certainly be something that doesn't make the other matches seem "not pure/good" in comparison. Second, I would have taken the 'Count out' rule a step further and said that if a wrestler intentionally throws his opponent to the floor, he loses a rope break. If a wrestler goes to the floor himself, either accidentally or for whatever reason, he has to immediately get back into the ring. Likewise, a wrestler cannot do a flying move to the outside because that cost them a rope break or whatever. That way the action ALWAYS has to be in the ring. The 20-count still allows for the posibiulity of outside activity and there shouldn't be any in this division. Â Otherwise, I think it has potential. If watching a wrestler reach the ropes and then counting down from 3 to 2 in your head is too much thinking for you, then that is sad. People like that sadly reinforce thr sterotype of wrestling fans as people that just want to watch mindless "violence" for the sake of it. I do agree that there is the point of going to far with a scoring system, which is the only reason I am not sure an all out UWF-I system would work, but this is simple enough to follow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 Like I said...they've grown on me a little. Â They know how to do their job, which makes them better than a certain Raw announce team that shall remain nameless. Â Â As for the division itself...I'll have to wait and see how it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustJoe2k5 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 I think Ring of Honor should bring back Jeff Corwin from IWC, atleast he sounded excited about the match and got me interested. The two announcers they have now sound like they are reading straight from a sheet of paper with no emotion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ligerbomb03 Report post Posted December 17, 2003 If not "Pure Wrestling," then what would be a good or more appropriate name for this division? Â I really like the idea though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Max Peter David Report post Posted December 17, 2003 ROH needs Eric Gargiulo back. I think he's a pretty damn good commentator. Gabe's okay on color, but CM Punk fucking smokes him. I wish they'd break kayfabe, and let Punk commentate the whole show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jingus 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2003 If not "Pure Wrestling," then what would be a good or more appropriate name for this division? Why not just call it the Technical Wrestling Championship or something generic like that? "Pure Wrestling" does sound a bit pretentious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ligerbomb03 Report post Posted December 18, 2003 That sounds better, and "Technical Wrestling Championship" was the first name that came to mind for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted December 18, 2003 I think it is a good idea. This way the company comes off as fresh and innovative. I would give it a chance before I bitch about it. But on the negative side though, if they do too many screwy DQ finishes then they will ruin it though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustJoe2k5 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2003 They are going to have to be very careful with this title and where they book defenses. I believe it was "Night of the Grudges" when the fans were completely shitting on the Chad Collyer vs. Matt Stryker match. I say they keep the title in the Murphy Rec Center where the fans are used to seeing long pure wrestling matches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted December 19, 2003 Actually, I think you have to be more careful to WHO they book as opposed to where they book the matches. I honestly think that they should start out booking guys that are over in this division(American Dragon, Donovan Morgan, etc) then expand it later after fans take a liking to it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Peter_Griffin Report post Posted December 19, 2003 I would say Matt Stryker would be a GREAT Pure Wrestling Champ. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Max Peter David Report post Posted December 19, 2003 Well, ROH got Chad Collyer and Doug Williams back! This division will now rule. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Deviant Report post Posted December 21, 2003 So much for Doug Williams never being back! And getting Chad Collyer back made my day today. Â Meanwhile, I've gotta love the "sounds too complicated" guys. Counting to three is too complicated for you, even when you have a commentary team right there? Â Speaking of which, I quite like ROH's commentary. A little repetitious at times, but overall quite fine. I've heard a hell of a lot worse on international TV and from a certain indy with crowds of 20 that everyone loves... Â If I get another Striker-Collyer match out of this division, I will officially love it. Ah who am I kidding, I love it already. The rules are just a backdrop to the action, and if you've seen the "pure wrestling division" matches, you know the difference. The title is just giving those excellent matches a reason to exist, something for the guys to fight for. Â It could bomb, it could be my favourite thing of all time. I'm betting on the latter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustJoe2k5 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2003 I was watching Retribution: Round Robin Challenge II last night, and during the C.M. Punk vs. Homicide, Chris Lovey(sp?) never changed the tone of his voice, never sounded excited, and was more interested in announcing every single move pulled off instead of putting over the actual match and kickouts near the end. The other guy on the announce team is pretty good, because he actually talks about the angles and feuds in the matches. I say bring in Jeff Corwin or Eric Gargulio, put them with the other announcer and I'll be happy. And to say that RoH's announcers are better than IWA Mid-South's (which is what I guess you're talking about) is crazy, I'm actually entertained by the IWA announce team, they make a horrible match atleast decent with their constant bickering. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tpww7 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2003 Drunken Death Match..TPI 02, they certainly didnt make that interesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
syxx2001 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2003 Whoever said the fans would shit on pure wrestling matches and have been conditioned to spot spot spot needs to watch Crowning a Champion and Epic Encounter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slingshot Suplex 0 Report post Posted December 23, 2003 That was me and if you want to send those two events to me,I'll watch them. Â ROH crowds might give the "pure wrestling" more leeway but I've seen too many indy crowds these days that chant "boring" and make sarcastic comments like " I love rest holds" at 30 second arm bars and sit quietly through chain wrestling. They give it a pop when it's done and the wrestlers are back on their feet at a stalemate but you can't give them much more than that because that's when they will start to shit on it. Most crowds don't have the patience for it anymore. Â I guess it depends how they are going to define pure wrestling. The term to me brings up collegiate wrestling which means no aerial maneuvers. That's where they're going to lose people's interest. Â Forgive my skepticism. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustJoe2k5 0 Report post Posted December 23, 2003 But both of those shows were in the Murphy Rec Center, and like I said they are used to long, technical matches. However, the two Chad Collyer vs. Matt Stryker matches which took place in other venues, were met with "boring" chants and overall fan disinterest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tpww7 0 Report post Posted December 27, 2003 ROH Second Anniversary Show In Quincy, MA On 2/14 To Feature Pure Wrestling Title Tournament. Already signed for the eight man one night tournament are AJ Styles, Matt Stryker, Jimmy Rave with more names to be announced soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Randy Pan Report post Posted December 27, 2003 ROH would be great if it wasn't for their pissy stipulations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jimbo Report post Posted December 27, 2003 the restrictions make the belt, idiot. Â And they really don't have any any other restrictions save the most basic ones.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tpww7 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 Doug Williams has been signed and added to this on 2/14. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nevermortal 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2004 Doug Williams has been signed and added to this on 2/14. Awesome. I mark for DOUG~! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
