Dandy Posted December 18, 2003 Report Posted December 18, 2003 Shawn Michaels wrestled his 68th WWF/WWE pay-per-view last Sunday, as noted by Jim Ross. Does anyone have an idea what the record is? When Michaels first started appearing, there were not 12 PPV's a year, and he had around a four year absence. I would think that someone would have more, and I would think Triple H or Undertaker would hold the top spot. Any clues? I figure no one would want to take the time to count up all that shit, but who knows, someone might make lists like this.
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Posted December 18, 2003 Report Posted December 18, 2003 Shawn Michaels wrestled his 68th WWF/WWE pay-per-view last Sunday, as noted by Jim Ross. Does anyone have an idea what the record is? When Michaels first started appearing, there were not 12 PPV's a year, and he had around a four year absence. I would think that someone would have more, and I would think Triple H or Undertaker would hold the top spot. Any clues? I figure no one would want to take the time to count up all that shit, but who knows, someone might make lists like this. Safe bet is The Undertaker.
bob_barron Posted December 18, 2003 Report Posted December 18, 2003 Taker has wrestled on- 1 in 1990 4 in 1991 4 in 1992 4 in 1993 3 in 1994 6 in 1995 10 in 1996 11 in 1997 10 in 1998 6 in 1999 6 in 2000 11 in 2001 10 in 2002 7 in 2003 That adds up to 93 I believe
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Posted December 18, 2003 Report Posted December 18, 2003 I wonder how many Bret Harts been in.... 1 in 86 2 in 87 3 in 88 4 in 89 4 in 90 5 in 91 3 in 92 5 in 93 5 in 94 8 in 95 I think 5 in 96 10 in 97 I think. Damn, thats not even CLOSE to Undertaker.
bob_barron Posted December 18, 2003 Report Posted December 18, 2003 55- 40 less then the Deadman. No one probably comes close to him. Jericho is at 45, Angle is at 43
Dandy Posted December 18, 2003 Author Report Posted December 18, 2003 Wow, big thanks goes to you guys that figured up those totals! 93 (or 94) is a mammoth number for Taker. It would take someone wrestling every PPV for 8 years in a row to top that, and Taker still has a few in him. Another part of this question would be would you count multiple matches on the same PPV, like when Chris Benoit would have two or more matches? I know this is nothing official, but I mean would YOU?
RavishingRickRudo Posted December 18, 2003 Report Posted December 18, 2003 Do WCW PPV's count as well?
ChrisMWaters Posted December 18, 2003 Report Posted December 18, 2003 Well, Taker has the most MATCHES in PPV. However, for most PPV Appearances, there's one man's record that could NEVER be topped in our lifetime: Howard Finkle.
bob_barron Posted December 18, 2003 Report Posted December 18, 2003 I wouldn't cause then things get sketchy- Foley appeared 3 times in RR98- do you count that as 3. If just counting appearances- I count matches. So Jericho at Backlash 2002 doesn't count for example
Dandy Posted December 18, 2003 Author Report Posted December 18, 2003 Yeah, appearances would definitely go to The Fink. JR said Michaels was wrestling in his 68th match on WWE PPV. If you counted WCW/NWA, Flair would probably hold the margin. Benoit would probably be high on the list as well, and probably close to him would be Jericho.
Detective Comics Posted December 18, 2003 Report Posted December 18, 2003 I honestly don't think it is fair to count individual matches at PPV's, just the PPV the wrestler wrestled a match at.
Dandy Posted December 18, 2003 Author Report Posted December 18, 2003 No Bob, because he was three different personas in the same match. I am talking two separate matches (or more), like when Benoit wrestled as Jericho's tag partner, and then wrestled against Angle. Tag Team Turmoil I would count as one match overall, and two out of three falls would be one match overall. But if Bret opened WMX against Owen and then Wrestled later that night, that would be 2 matches.
Dandy Posted December 18, 2003 Author Report Posted December 18, 2003 If you had sex with two different women on the same day, would you count that as one woman? Thought so. The quote by JR was "matches" on PPV. Not how many PPV's he had wrestled on.
bob_barron Posted December 18, 2003 Report Posted December 18, 2003 I'd count 2/3 falls as one match. What Bret did at WM X I'd count as two matches but only one PPV. Turmoil I'd count as more then one match I think. So yes- X-Pac and Justin Credible wrestled 3 times at JD. Taker has wrestled multiple times on only one PPV- that'd being RR97 where he lost to Vader and then did not win the Rumble
bob_barron Posted December 18, 2003 Report Posted December 18, 2003 If you had sex with two different women on the same day, would you count that as one woman? Thought so. The quote by JR was "matches" on PPV. Not how many PPV's he had wrestled on. Has Shawn ever pulled double duty on a PPV? I can't think of that ever happening
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Posted December 18, 2003 Report Posted December 18, 2003 If you count individual matches for Bret's PPV, he'd be boosted up by 5 or 6 but still thats not close to enough to be most. I wonder how many Triple H has been in
bob_barron Posted December 18, 2003 Report Posted December 18, 2003 HHH- 95- 4 96- 6 97- 7 98- 7 99- 11 00- 12 01- 5 02- 11 03- 10
Dandy Posted December 18, 2003 Author Report Posted December 18, 2003 The only time I would think Shawn wrestled twice would be at the Rumble, and I cannot remember him doing that. I would say no. I would honestly say that you have to count individual matches that occurred on PPV. Bump Taker up with his double duty, and so on. If you are counting "matches" you would have to do it this way. If not, you are simply counting how many PPV's a wrestler had a match on. There is a difference, although it is a slight one in statistics.
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Posted December 18, 2003 Report Posted December 18, 2003 If HHH wasn't injured with the Quad in 2001, he could be closing in on Taker. I think HHH pulled double-duty twice, with RR 97 & Canadian Stampede. I can't remember any other times. HBK has never done DD to my knowledge.
OldSchoolWrestling Posted December 18, 2003 Report Posted December 18, 2003 Turmoil I'd count as more then one match I think. So yes- X-Pac and Justin Credible wrestled 3 times at JD. I have a really hard time counting Turmoil as individual matches. Each pinfall happens so fast it just doesn't seem right. You are crediting Pac and Credible for 3 matches yet their combined match time is just over 12 minutes. I prefer to think of it more like a 2/3 fall match. One match, many falls.
Tully316 Posted December 18, 2003 Report Posted December 18, 2003 Along the same lines....who has maine evented teh most PPV's? I remember how odd it was for Flair to not be in th Main Event when he wrestled with Arn Anderson vs. Doom way back in the day.
Dandy Posted December 18, 2003 Author Report Posted December 18, 2003 That's the way I look at it. I look at it similar to an elimination match. You wouldn't count the Rumble to be 29 matches, so every time someone is eliminated, it is not a match. You can survive to the end, or be eliminated and replaced by another team.
bob_barron Posted December 18, 2003 Report Posted December 18, 2003 HHH pulled double duty at: RR 97 and KOTR 97. He wrestled on the free for all of RR 96 and then wrestled the actual event later on.
bob_barron Posted December 18, 2003 Report Posted December 18, 2003 Regarding the main event issue- That can get pretty sticky since many shows have double-triple-4x main events. If you want to go by last match then that could give you a sort of basis but then you're counting LOD/Bossman v. IRS/Diasters as the main event of SurS91
Guest Ray Posted December 19, 2003 Report Posted December 19, 2003 Top ten: The Undertaker 104 Triple H 85 The Rock 73 Kane 71 Steve Austin 69 Shawn Michaels 68 Billy Gunn 63 Bret Hart 60 Owen Hart 58 Davey Boy Smith 58 @ Billy Gunn
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