MrRant 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2003 2004 Draft Order Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2003 How does this work? As a Giants fan, I was hoping for some glimmer of hope and the number one pick. They all have the same equally bad 4-12 record, so how did they decide Chargers were number one? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrRant 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2003 The draft order is based on a team's record and strength-of-schedule. In slotting teams with the same record, the team whose opponents had the weakest schedule picks ahead of the team whose opponents had the next weakest schedule and so forth for that group. In the event of ties (teams with the same record and the same strength-of-schedule), the first applicable tiebreaker (head-to-head, divisional record, or conference record) is used, with the tiebreak loser getting the higher selection in Round 1. If there are no applicable tiebreakers (as would be the case with teams from opposite conferences that did not face each other), ties are broken by coin toss. The Super Bowl winner and loser will draft 32nd and 31st, respectively. Other playoff teams, as they are eliminated from the postseason, move to the end of their group regardless of strength-of-schedule. If teams with the same record drop out in the same playoff week they are positioned at the end of the group and strength-of-schedule will determine their sequence. Teams coming back into their group in different playoff weeks are placed in the group with the team(s) that advanced further being placed behind the team(s) that dropped in earlier. Once the first round sequence has been established, in subsequent rounds teams rotate within their won-loss grouping with the team that picked earliest in the previous round moving to the last position of the group while others move up. --- CNNSI.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted December 30, 2003 I'm just hoping the Pats can trade up far enough to grab Kevin Jones or Chris Perry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2003 The Pats have the Ravens first round pick, whatever pick that might end up being. I think this will be one of the few years that the Ravens dont have a strong draft, but they are $25 million under the cap so they might bring in more free agents. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2003 I'm just hoping the Pats can trade up far enough to grab Kevin Jones or Chris Perry They could always sign Corey Dillon if they were insane. Drafting running backs has not been too kind to NE in the past so I'd rather sign someone. Plus I think Cloud might have a decent future ahead of him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2003 I think Perry will be around for the Pats first 1st round pick. Maybe have to trade up if they really want Kevin Jones. If Stephen Jackson comes out he may be a good pick up with one of the two picks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted December 30, 2003 Dillon doesn't fit the team mantra the Pats have going. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Pats draft 2 RBs (one in the first round and another in rounds 3 or 4) I see Kevin Jones as another Jamal Lewis...small quick power runner who has break away speed. Chris Perry is a Marshal Faulk waiting to happen. Reads the gaps beautifully and can come out of the backfield and turn a 3 yard reception into a 15 yard gain. That's why I'd be happy with either one...and those are the two backs I've followed all year through the college ranks (didn't get to see much of Jackson but I've heard good things) As far as what the Pats have now we all know they're going to use the out-clause on Smith's contract so there's no cap hit there. Faulk stays on for one more year to help ease the rookie back in and then Faulk becomes a 3rd down back. Cloud if he stays will be an option on carpet. I do believe that Damien Woody, Mike Compton, David Patten, and Antwoin Smith are deffinately gone since this draft will be focused on offense(only way Woody stays is if he realises he should be paid like a guard and not a Center or Tackle) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cartman 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2003 I would much rather see Jackson on my Pats than Jones or Perry honestly. Jackson reminds me ALOT of Ricky Williams. That would be the perfect kind of back to complement kevin Faulk(who isnt going anywhere) and the rest of this offense. The problem is, I have a strong feeling that Bellichick will not draft a RB in the first round. If you pay attention to his drafts he usually goes for the lower priced positions in the first couple rounds, and then goes for those "glamour" positions(RB, WR, QB, etc.) for the latter rounds. Don't be suprised to see the Patriots draft an O-lineman, a D-Lineman, or a Linebacker in the first round with both of those picks. I realize they NEED RB and WR badly, but thats just not Bill's style. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hogan Made Wrestling 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2003 Given where the Cowboys are drafting, I wouldn't mind seeing them pick up a running back. Whether or not Carter stays longterm at QB, Hambrick is definitely not the solution at RB. We could also use some help on the offensive line. If they are going to take a defensive player (not my favorite option to be sure), a DT would be the best fit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted December 30, 2003 So I take it Oakland is probably going to end up with Eli Manning, or has San Diego given up on Brees? Chris Perry probably to Washington unless Snider and Spurrier go insane temporarily. Roethlisberger or Simons to Arizona depending on how their workouts go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2003 The SD-Oakland-Arizona trio is an interesting one at the top, as I could see both Manning and Roethlisberger going in the top three based on team needs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2003 I don't hate Arizona's young QB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2003 I'm hoping Tommy Harris falls to the Giants at 4. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2003 I'm hoping Tommy Harris falls to the Giants at 4. Isn't he a Sophomore? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jimbo Report post Posted December 31, 2003 Chris Perry probably to Washington unless Snider and Spurrier go insane temporarily. Spurrier's out. I'm guessing that Snyder will want to get the guy with the coolest name, or a quarterback, because Patrick Ramsey played 'terrible' this year, and the lack of an offensive line had nothing to do with it...that man is truly an idiot..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted December 31, 2003 Chris Perry probably to Washington unless Snider and Spurrier go insane temporarily. Spurrier's out. I'm guessing that Snyder will want to get the guy with the coolest name, or a quarterback, because Patrick Ramsey played 'terrible' this year, and the lack of an offensive line had nothing to do with it...that man is truly an idiot..... And I would think that it would be colossally stupid of them. Washington needs a running back more than anything. Candidate, Betts and whoever else got stuck in there this season were downright terrible. And while I'm no fan of Ramsey I'm not going to bash him because frankly the guy was getting hit each and every play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2003 I think Ramsey is going to be an excellent QB unless he gets shell shocked like Akili Smith did. He can make some beautiful throws, but they hung him out to dry with no running game and a O-line that seriously underachieved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted December 31, 2003 Here's a nice mock draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jimbo Report post Posted December 31, 2003 Chris Perry probably to Washington unless Snider and Spurrier go insane temporarily. Spurrier's out. I'm guessing that Snyder will want to get the guy with the coolest name, or a quarterback, because Patrick Ramsey played 'terrible' this year, and the lack of an offensive line had nothing to do with it...that man is truly an idiot..... And I would think that it would be colossally stupid of them. Washington needs a running back more than anything. Candidate, Betts and whoever else got stuck in there this season were downright terrible. And while I'm no fan of Ramsey I'm not going to bash him because frankly the guy was getting hit each and every play. They HAD a terrific running back in Stephen Davis, and if my memory serves me right, isn't Chris Perry more or less the same sort of between the tackles back? I agree that Ramsay some day could be very good (I know see that my previous post was a bit unclear; Synyder's the idiot, and the O-Line's woes were the reason for Ramsay's demise). They did have a runing game..sorta. There isn't any tremendous feature back, but Trung Candidate and in the later parts of the season, Rock Cartwright did very well under the conditions. Whether they need another running back is debateable though as it depends on the next guy who's coming in as they don't have a coach at the moment. Those^^ 2 Backs and Ramsay all could do very well if they have some blocking and protection and did fit Spurrier's system well, we just need to see who's coming next. of course passing up on Chris Perry could always end up bad, but what the deadskins need is COHESION, not another 'star'. (The whole organization needs a heavy dose of discpline, but that's another rant) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted December 31, 2003 Here's a nice mock draft. That looks horrible to me to be honest. Why would the Raiders not take a QB and why would the Chargers take one when they have Brees? I also don't buy Kevin Jones going over Chris Perry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted December 31, 2003 Chris Perry is similar to Marshall Faulk in his style. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted December 31, 2003 I also don't buy Kevin Jones going over Chris Perry. Why not? He's a better back all-around. Jones will go before Perry. Hell, Steven Jackson AND Kevin Jones will go before Chris Perry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted December 31, 2003 I also don't buy Kevin Jones going over Chris Perry. Why not? He's a better back all-around. Jones will go before Perry. I don't buy it at all. Perry is a much better screen option than Jones and Perry single handedly dominated an OSU defense that was only allowing 50 rushing yds. a game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted December 31, 2003 Maybe you didn't see Kevin Jones dominating the Miami defense.. and while Miami's defense is not rated as well as Ohio State.. they are just as good if not better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted December 31, 2003 Maybe you didn't see Kevin Jones dominating the Miami defense.. and while Miami's defense is not rated as well as Ohio State.. they are just as good if not better. That's laughable. The Miami defense was average at best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted December 31, 2003 Chris Perry's Rushing Stats: 2003 Central Michigan 22 232 0 232 10.6 2 63 2003 Houston 27 188 4 184 6.8 2 21 2003 Notre Dame 31 133 0 133 4.3 3 27 2003 at Oregon 11 26 0 26 2.4 0 5 2003 Indiana 21 115 3 112 5.3 0 41 2003 at Iowa 24 90 3 87 3.6 1 16 2003 at Minnesota 20 89 4 85 4.3 1 15 2003 Illinois 24 141 1 140 5.8 3 25 2003 Purdue 28 110 15 95 3.4 0 15 2003 at Michigan State 51 221 2 219 4.3 1 15 2003 at Northwestern 25 126 4 122 4.9 2 16 2003 Ohio State 31 157 3 154 5.0 2 30 Receiving: 2003 Central Michigan 1 17 17.0 0 17 2003 Houston 5 23 4.6 0 13 2003 Notre Dame 4 44 11.0 1 14 2003 at Oregon 2 -3 -1.5 0 2 2003 Indiana 2 8 4.0 0 6 2003 at Iowa 2 11 5.5 0 7 2003 at Minnesota 11 122 11.1 1 21 2003 Illinois 1 6 6.0 0 6 2003 Purdue 2 16 8.0 0 8 2003 at Michigan State 2 17 8.5 0 11 2003 at Northwestern 5 50 10.0 0 18 2003 Ohio State 5 55 11.0 0 15 Season Total 42 366 8.7 2 21 Kevin Jones' Rushing Stats: 2003 Rushing Game-by-Game UCF 22 83 3.8 2 25 James Madison 12 57 4.8 0 13 Texas A&M 30 188 6.3 3 27 Connecticut 12 105 8.8 1 23 Rutgers 26 118 4.5 1 18 Syracuse 19 131 6.9 2 33 West Virginia 11 57 5.2 0 13 Miami 26 124 4.8 1 27 Pittsburgh 30 241 8.0 4 80 Temple 28 150 5.4 1 47 Boston College 24 165 6.9 3 62 Virginia 25 75 3.0 2 13 2003 Receiving Game-by-Game UCF 1 8 8.0 0 8 James Madison 1 10 10.0 0 10 Texas A&M 1 6 6.0 0 6 Connecticut 0 0 0.0 0 0 Rutgers 0 0 0.0 0 0 Syracuse 0 0 0.0 0 0 West Virginia 1 14 14.0 0 14 Miami 0 0 0.0 0 0 Pittsburgh 0 0 0.0 0 0 Temple 0 0 0.0 0 0 Boston College 3 57 19.0 0 55 Virginia 3 41 13.7 0 15 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted December 31, 2003 So your arguing for a guy who's faced a pathetic schedule compared to Michigan? He's faced Miami as the only real top team. West Virginia, Virginia and Pittsburgh were decent challenges. While Perry faced OSU, MSU, Purdue, Minnesota and Iowa who were all top teams for most of the season? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted December 31, 2003 I'm wondering how many other people agree or have formed a similiar opinion of Chris Perry like Mad Dog has. I broke down in another thread why Chris Perry is the next Marshal Faulk(in style) and why Kevin Jones will be the next Jamal Lewis(in style) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2003 I think Chris Perry will get drafted in a similar position to where Larry Johnson was (24-26th?) But I do think he'll be the third running back taken. Then again when he strips down and goes to the meat market (Combine) if he runs a fast 40, his value may go up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
