Bored Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 Let me just end this. USC played a great team yesterday, the best they've played all year, and destroyed them. Oklahoma (and LSU) plays a great team on Sunday, the best they've played all year, and if they dominate like USC did then there is no point in arguing anymore as they are equally good.
JHawk Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 Here's a question I've been asking for since the end of the Big XII Championship game and I've never gotten an answer to it. OU destroyed #5 (at the time) Texas. They got destroyed by #13 (at the time) Kansas State. Who else did they play that was so damn tough? And I want rankings (current AND at the time if possible). If you can tell me that, maybe I'll buy into it, but the only two games I remember thinking OU was going to have trouble in were those two. Hell, I'll ask the USC and LSU supporters the same question, as this does go into the strength of schedule argument.
Damaramu Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 Using statistics to say a team is better is like saying USC is better than Oklahoma because Oklahoma got destroyed by K-State, who is getting killed by Ohio State, who got beat by Michigan, who got beat by USC. Hmm.....an argument that is basically trying to be used her. OU beat better opponents than USC. OU played better football all around than USC. It's no coincedence that the statistics back them up in addition to the visual proof.
AlwaysPissedOff Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 Okay, time to step in on this. If you can't debate this without resorting to childish insults, then either shut the hell up or get this back to be civilized. Anymore petty shit by either party results in a banning as this is the second time I've had to stop something like this.
Damaramu Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 Let me just end this. USC played a great team yesterday, the best they've played all year, and destroyed them. Oklahoma (and LSU) plays a great team on Sunday, the best they've played all year, and if they dominate like USC did then there is no point in arguing anymore as they are equally good. But OU and LSU are playing a team that is better than Michigan. They're going to have a tougher time dominating than USC because the team they are facing is better than what USC had to work with.
Guest Deebo Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 Well it's assumed that USC kept their starters in in their games(Unless you know otherwise) so in terms of these two teams, it'd be a safe comparison right? No, USC did not keep their starters in the game in any of their blowouts. And I know for a fact that USC took their starters out at halftime against Arizona and UCLA
Damaramu Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 Here's a question I've been asking for since the end of the Big XII Championship game and I've never gotten an answer to it. OU destroyed #5 (at the time) Texas. They got destroyed by #13 (at the time) Kansas State. Who else did they play that was so damn tough? And I want rankings (current AND at the time if possible). If you can tell me that, maybe I'll buy into it, but the only two games I remember thinking OU was going to have trouble in were those two. Hell, I'll ask the USC and LSU supporters the same question, as this does go into the strength of schedule argument. OU also beat Oklahoma State. Who I believe was ranked in the top 25 at the time and was going in to today's game. They also beat Alabama. I'm not sure what there ranking at the time was but I believe it was 22.
ANKLELOCK Posted January 3, 2004 Author Report Posted January 3, 2004 Well Dama if USC is inferior to LSU and OU then they shouldn't have dominated Michigan.
Damaramu Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 Well Dama if USC is inferior to LSU and OU then they shouldn't have dominated Michigan. What? Who's to say that LSU and OU wouldn't have dominated Michigan? Fact is that it's going to be harder for OU and LSU to dominate one another because they are facing such good teams as opposed to USC who didn't face as good a team as OU and LSU are facing. By the way.....why is the AP National Championship considered the "real" national championship?
ANKLELOCK Posted January 3, 2004 Author Report Posted January 3, 2004 And the announcers of this game just said that the Sugar Bowl is only the BCS national championship game. I guess they are as biased as Keith Jackson yesterday huh Dama.
HarleyQuinn Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 AP stands for Associated Press thus it's the media IIRC
AlwaysPissedOff Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 Well Dama if USC is inferior to LSU and OU then they shouldn't have dominated Michigan. Ummmm... no one said USC was inferior, played a weaker schedule, yes, but I'd say all 3 teams are practically even talent-wise and coaching-wise.
JHawk Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 Here's a question I've been asking for since the end of the Big XII Championship game and I've never gotten an answer to it. OU destroyed #5 (at the time) Texas. They got destroyed by #13 (at the time) Kansas State. Who else did they play that was so damn tough? And I want rankings (current AND at the time if possible). If you can tell me that, maybe I'll buy into it, but the only two games I remember thinking OU was going to have trouble in were those two. Hell, I'll ask the USC and LSU supporters the same question, as this does go into the strength of schedule argument. OU also beat Oklahoma State. Who I believe was ranked in the top 25 at the time and was going in to today's game. They also beat Alabama. I'm not sure what there ranking at the time was but I believe it was 22. OK, that's one-third of the equation. Now where are the USC and LSU fans to back up their claims?
ANKLELOCK Posted January 3, 2004 Author Report Posted January 3, 2004 Well Dama, USC is also #1 in the Coaches Poll. Not just the AP.
Damaramu Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 And the announcers of this game just said that the Sugar Bowl is only the BCS national championship game. I guess they are as biased as Keith Jackson yesterday huh Dama. Well they were still saying it was the national title. They said "This is for the BCS National Title, last night was for the AP National Title" They didn't try to diminish one like the announcers from last night were doing.
ANKLELOCK Posted January 3, 2004 Author Report Posted January 3, 2004 But USC is #1 in BOTH polls, as I just said.
HarleyQuinn Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 USC only played #14 ranked Washington State. LSU played #17 Florida, #11 Georgia(twice) and #18 Mississippi
USC Wuz Robbed! Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 It isn't USC's fault for a shitty schedule. They played the best they could, and they did just as well as OU and LSU record-wise. And since we're comparing shit, USC lost by three, LSU and OU lost by double digits. Cal is underrated. Texas and KSU are overrated as we're finding out. I think the national title should be USC vs LSU. That's my opinion and yes I admit it's a bit biased.
Damaramu Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 Well Dama, USC is also #1 in the Coaches Poll. Not just the AP. Yes but they aren't going to be #1 in the Coaches poll after Sunday's game. Yet OU is #1 in the BCS. What I don't understand is this. I realize the BCS is flawed. But why are the Coaches poll and the AP poll considered the godly end all be all of everything? They are flawed as well.
Bored Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 Let's have fun with who lost to who: Oklahoma lost to Kansas State Who lost to Marshall Who lost to Troy State LSU lost to Florida Who lost to Mississippi Who lost to Memphis Who lost to UAB Who lost to Troy State USC lost to California Who lost to UCLA Who lost to Colorado Who lost to UAB Who lost to Troy State TROY STATE IS #1 BABY!!!
Damaramu Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 Let's have fun with who lost to who: Oklahoma lost to Kansas State Who lost to Marshall Who lost to Troy State LSU lost to Florida Who lost to Mississippi Who lost to Memphis Who lost to UAB Who lost to Troy State USC lost to California Who lost to UCLA Who lost to Colorado Who lost to UAB Who lost to Troy State TROY STATE IS #1 BABY!!! I can't argue that. All hail Troy State.
the pinjockey Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 Three teams vs. ranked opponents. And I am not giving any credit to a team being a certain rank when the teams met. Final rankings count, no other. Oklahoma beat no. 5 Texas no. 22 Oklahoma State lost to no. 10 Kansas State LSU beat: no. 11 Georgia (2X) no. 18 Mississippi lost to: no. 17 Florida USC beat: no. 14 Washington State
ANKLELOCK Posted January 3, 2004 Author Report Posted January 3, 2004 They aren't flawed. Actual people who understand injuries, margin of victory, and all the intangibles vote in the polls.
Bored Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 Let me just end this. USC played a great team yesterday, the best they've played all year, and destroyed them. Oklahoma (and LSU) plays a great team on Sunday, the best they've played all year, and if they dominate like USC did then there is no point in arguing anymore as they are equally good. But OU and LSU are playing a team that is better than Michigan. They're going to have a tougher time dominating than USC because the team they are facing is better than what USC had to work with. *sigh* I give up. Tried to give a nice little, honest answer to end this nonsense and you don't budge off your soapbox.
Damaramu Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 They aren't flawed. Actual people who understand injuries, margin of victory, and all the intangibles vote in the polls. Also people who are prone to a bias and also pay attention to WHEN a loss was while it should really have no bearing. They basically look at what is happening now. They don't set back and look at what has occured over the season.
Damaramu Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 Let me just end this. USC played a great team yesterday, the best they've played all year, and destroyed them. Oklahoma (and LSU) plays a great team on Sunday, the best they've played all year, and if they dominate like USC did then there is no point in arguing anymore as they are equally good. But OU and LSU are playing a team that is better than Michigan. They're going to have a tougher time dominating than USC because the team they are facing is better than what USC had to work with. *sigh* I give up. Tried to give a nice little, honest answer to end this nonsense and you don't budge off your soapbox. Well your argument is flawed. You're basically saying "They'll have to dominate there opponent like USC did despite the fact that their opponent is better than USC's opponent, thus is harder to dominate."
ANKLELOCK Posted January 3, 2004 Author Report Posted January 3, 2004 No they aren't biased. Oklahoma media votes in the AP poll and Coach Stoops is included in the Coaches poll.
AlwaysPissedOff Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 It isn't USC's fault for a shitty schedule. They played the best they could, and they did just as well as OU and LSU record-wise. And since we're comparing shit, USC lost by three, LSU and OU lost by double digits. Cal is underrated. Texas and KSU are overrated as we're finding out. I think the national title should be USC vs LSU. That's my opinion and yes I admit it's a bit biased. Never said it was their fault. Also, margin of loss/victory means dick. Losing to a sub-.500 team(at the time, I think) when you're in the top 10, even in overtime, is inexcusable. All 3 teams are similar and honestly, I don't think any one of them are better than the other.
the pinjockey Posted January 3, 2004 Report Posted January 3, 2004 Quick question: like I said I didn't read the whole thing, but is the debate over who is the better team or who deserves to be in the game?
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