Styles 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2004 Ok, we've had the "why do you like Bush" and "why do you like Dean" threads, this being a spinoff of the latter since I replied that I would vote for anyone other than Dean. Let's say, as unlikely as it is, that Dean shoots himself in the foot a few more times in the next few weeks (not hard to imagine!), and loses his spot as top dog. Does anybody support one of the other Democratic candidates? Are there any substantial differences even? I want to vote in the primary (my first time voting afterall!) but besides leaning towards Liberman since he's basically the anti-Dean, I really am undecided. Is anyone out there a big supporter of Kerry? Gephart? Clark? Edwards? Lieberman? and wants to make their case. All we hear about is crazy Howy, and if that's really all there is to it, there is no doubt Bush is getting my vote. So, go ahead....does anybody want to sell me on one of the other Democratic candidates? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2004 I love Kerry. Why he served in... *slaps self* Seriously, I don't Edwards is that bad. And seeing how he's a lawyer, that's saying something... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2004 Edwards is so clean cut I'm sure he has 30 dead hookers buried in his kids sand box. Dean seems so insane that I'm afraid he'll come to my house and choke me with an extension cord if I don't vote for him. And Kerry is....well there. Vote Sharpton, he seems like a sweet chap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2004 I love Kerry. Why he served in... *slaps self* Seriously, I don't Edwards is that bad. And seeing how he's a lawyer, that's saying something... Seriously: Do you know ANYTHING about Edwards!? Does ANYBODY!?! What does he stand for!?! What are his big issues!?! And you're an R aren't you, so it's not like you have a stake in the primaries! The Democratic party is just so in the shitter right now. I mean, out of 9 candidates the only one that's gained any publicity or real support is an unelectable ranting liberal, while the other 8 mash together in obscurity. I mean, ok Kucinich, Sharpton and Braunn aren't going to win, fine...but that leaves 5 other "top" candidates! Do no other Democrats on this board support any of them? Do you just support Dean because he's the most likely to win the nomination so you're jumping on the bandwagon? I mean, it's like, how can I bother considering anyone but Bush when the only option avaliable is horrible? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2004 Gosh, a bit many threads asking to be fed political opinions, you think? Especially since the first one received a generally poor reaction. Lieberman's foreign policy is very similar to Bush, so if that's what matters to you then there you are, I guess. His support in various social issues has soured me on him. He was a big backer of the Parent Teacher's Association in their campaign against pro wrestling and was heavily involved when games like Doom and Resident Evil were being blamed for school murders. So, socially, Lieberman is on that strange plane where the far left and far right meet, restricting personal liberties in an interest of preserving the family (conservatives usually because they feel it threatens their kids' good ol Christian upbringing, and progressive liberals usually because it's the politically correct thing to do.) Kerry was seeming like he was going to be a huge part of this race but has been falling on his own sword by trying to fling poo at Dean and missing all the time. Wes Clark is the case of a press & communications team surrounding around a man who has nothing to say. If Dean wins, expect Clark to become his VP. Edwards isn't going to risk his political future on a guy who basically called Southerners a bunch of Confederate hicks. Gephardt, to me, seems to represent the "politics as usual" that guys like Dean and Arnold rail on against on the campaign. I started off this race liking Edwards because he hadn't had the oppertunity to say anything stupid. He still hasn't said anything that caused me to hang my head in shame, but also just doesn't seem to get any kind of message out, period. I could be wrong on this though, CNN's Inside Politics a month ago showed that Edwards is spending the second largest amount of money, next to Dean, in two of the three early states. His social policies are kind of odd. A guy who votes that religious symbols at school aren't a violation of church & state while still banning no on a partial-birth abortion ban (which actually puts him farther on the left than some other guys in the race) is a tough pill for me to swallow. Here in California we're having a pretty late primary. I imagine I'll vote for Edwards in the primary because Kerry's campaign has been so negative I think it's actually hurt his election chances in a general election. If Dean gets the nomination, I'll vote for him, but it'll be an interesting four years at the rate he's pissing off senators in his own party. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2004 Seriously: Do you know ANYTHING about Edwards!? Does ANYBODY!?! What does he stand for!?! What are his big issues!?! This might help. I don't agree with a bunch of what he thinks, but then again he's a Democrat. And you're an R aren't you, so it's not like you have a stake in the primaries! So I can't give my opinion on Democrats? You Republican-ist! I was trying to show my open-mindness and I get yelled at by a guilt-ridden Democrat. Well so much for that... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2004 Gosh, a bit many threads asking to be fed political opinions, you think? Especially since the first one received a generally poor reaction. The idea here is type of thing comes up a lot here: -Go Bush! -Boo Bush, vote Dean! -Eeew, why Dean? -Um....he's not Bush. I appreicate the well thought out response though. I've been leaning towards Lieberman because of his foreign policy views but his social leanings are a bit of a turn off (then again, as president I think he'll be a little too busy to push for bills banning pro wrestling...) Edwards is intriguing. Everyone seems to like the guy, he's said all the right things...why isn't THIS guy the Democratic nominee. I mean, damn it, a charming, young guy that gets along with everyone seems way more likeable and electable then a firy, obstenate guy that alienates his own party. But it seems like he's had ZERO publicity, I forget he's even running sometimes... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2004 I was trying to show my open-mindness and I get yelled at by a guilt-ridden Democrat. Well so much for that... I'm so lonely... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2004 I was trying to show my open-mindness and I get yelled at by a guilt-ridden Democrat. Well so much for that... I'm so lonely... Well with your mean-spiritedness I'm not surprised... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2004 I was trying to show my open-mindness and I get yelled at by a guilt-ridden Democrat. Well so much for that... I'm so lonely... Well with your mean-spiritedness I'm not surprised... What I meant was, it seems like no registered Democrats who are voting in the primaries are rallying any real support for anyone but Dean, all but guarenteeing he'll win the nomination, which should make for a very entertaining race but an easy vote. I was not, snapping at your opinion, just pointing out that I hadn't recieved any feedback from any Democrats yet. Friends? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2004 The idea here is type of thing comes up a lot here: -Go Bush! -Boo Bush, vote Dean! -Eeew, why Dean? -Um....he's not Bush. That happens a lot no matter who's in office. A lot of my friends that voted for Dole in '96 and Bush in '00 did so holding their nose because they hated Clinton and Gore... Friends? That depends on how much you're willing to spend... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2004 Edwards is intriguing. Everyone seems to like the guy, he's said all the right things...why isn't THIS guy the Democratic nominee. I mean, damn it, a charming, young guy that gets along with everyone seems way more likeable and electable then a firy, obstenate guy that alienates his own party. But it seems like he's had ZERO publicity, I forget he's even running sometimes... Again, it depends on where you live. California is a late state, so there's no advertising from any candidates here. All we're fed is what the media is telling us, which is Dean All The Time, although I'm afraid he'll get portrayed as a hippie if they focus on his Anti-Iraq stuff for much longer. It's not like he's Dennis Kucinich proposing a Department Of Peace or anything. As for what I was talking about on CNN, here's the transcript. From the December 4th episode of InsidePolitics: WOODRUFF: On the TV commercial front there is a new ad attacking Howard Dean that conjures up images of Michael Dukakis and other failed Democratic presidential candidates of the past. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) NARRATOR: For three decades, Democratic presidential candidates have supported huge tax increases. This year, they're back. Howard Dean says he'll raise taxes on the average family by more than $1,900 a year. Dean says he'll raise income taxes... (END VIDEO CLIP) WOODRUFF: The conservative group Club for Growth says that it has budgeted more than $100,000 to air that spot beginning today in Iowa and in New Hampshire. Well, more now on the '04 ad wars and Howard Dean's leading role in it. A new study shows TV ad spending in Iowa has soared this election cycle, fueled in large part by Dean's impressive campaign warchest. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) DEAN: We can stop the special interests, but not without your help. WOODRUFF (voice-over): When Iowans turn on the TV these days, there's a good chance they'll see Howard Dean or one of his Democratic rivals staring back at them. With a month and a half still to go before the Iowa caucuses, the '04 Democrats already have spent an estimated $3.8 million on campaign ads in the Hawkeye State. More than twice as much as they've spent in New Hampshire markets. The close Dean-Gephardt race in Iowa, and Dean's huge lead in the polls in New Hampshire, explain why the focus of the early ad war has shifted since the last presidential race. Not surprisingly, Dean is the biggest ad spender in Iowa, shelling out $1.1 million. But his main rival there, Dick Gephardt, comes in fourth in the Iowa ad race. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If Dean performs well in Iowa against Gephardt, it gives his campaign momentum into New Hampshire, where then, again, you have John Kerry, who is another regional candidate. WOODRUFF: In New Hampshire, John Kerry tops the ad spending chart, forking over $830,000 to date in his so far failed effort to catch up to Dean. As the clear New Hampshire frontrunner, Dean apparently can afford to come in third in the ad race there. But Dean is the only '04 Democrat running a broad, national ad campaign, airing spots in a number of early primary and caucus states. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dean has already started advertising in really the states that come after New Hampshire and South Carolina, like Washington, like New Mexico, like Arizona. DEAN: This campaign is not just about changing presidents. WOODRUFF: Dean's grand total so far, an estimated $2.8 million spent on more than 7,000 TV ads. John Edwards comes in second in overall spending, $2.2 million on 5,300 commercials in just a few states. (END VIDEOTAPE) WOODRUFF: The ad spending survey was conducted by the Wisconsin Advertising Project at the University of Wisconsin. Separately, we did put in a call to the Republican National Committee to ask about ad spending they have been engaged in. An RNC spokesman tells us that they have spent around $100,000 on an ad in Iowa since November 23, an ad that targets all the Democrats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2004 Again, it depends on where you live. Maryland. I think our primary is late too, something like early March... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C Dubya 04 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2004 Well, I seem to be the oddity on this board in that I support neither Dean or Bush. I am a big fan of John Edwards, but I don't feel he has enough seasoning to make a legitimate canidate. I think that he would be best served to leave the race now and focus his energy on the Senate. Come back in 2008 with a base of supporters already and really make a run. It's hard to give a brief description of anyone running, but I encourage you to check out this link. http://www.johnedwards2004.com/issues.asp I'm a fan of his tax ideas (especially on income from investments), his policies regarding Policemen (which seem to try to get back towards what Clinton did) and his policies that focus on the environment. I also really like that Edwards gives some details to his ideas, instead of simply bashing Bush and offering no solution. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
