AndrewTS Posted January 17, 2004 Report Posted January 17, 2004 4) The RKO. Sloppy As Fuck. Orton should sit and watch DDP matches and then figure out how to make the Diamond Cutter look crisp whilst running, cos he ain't got it yet. Strangely, we have Johnny Ace, inventor of the Ace Crusher, and two guys who derived their moves from it in DDP and Austin in WWE (isn't DDP a road agent now?), and he hasn't gotten one of them to help him pull the move off better or to come up with a version all his own?
Guest FrigidSoul Posted January 17, 2004 Report Posted January 17, 2004 5) The Lionsault. It's a moonsault from lower down, which means less impact, and it's meant to be a finisher? I always looked at as one of those moves that's meant to get a 2-count. I don't recall ever seeing Jericho beat anybody with it.
evilhomer Posted January 17, 2004 Report Posted January 17, 2004 5) The Lionsault. It's a moonsault from lower down, which means less impact, and it's meant to be a finisher? I always looked at as one of those moves that's meant to get a 2-count. I don't recall ever seeing Jericho beat anybody with it. He regularly got wins with it in the WCW Cruiser division, but I can't recall a single clean finish in the WWE(f). I know he's won a couple, but that's only after a chair shot/interference/double team beatdown, etc. The only credible win I remember him getting with it was when he and Benoit took the tag belts from Austin/HHH. But that was a long match and it made sense that a Lionsault could have finished it.
AndrewTS Posted January 17, 2004 Report Posted January 17, 2004 The only credible win I remember him getting with it was when he and Benoit took the tag belts from Austin/HHH. But that was a long match and it made sense that a Lionsault could have finished it. That reminds me of when the rope broke at No Mercy 02, and Jericho had to improvise, and did a regular moonsault. THAT I can buy as a finisher. I don't know why he doesn't use that instead. Yeah, it's a high flying finisher, but they still pushed Savage.
deancoles Posted January 17, 2004 Report Posted January 17, 2004 5) The Lionsault. It's a moonsault from lower down, which means less impact, and it's meant to be a finisher? I always looked at as one of those moves that's meant to get a 2-count. I don't recall ever seeing Jericho beat anybody with it. He regularly got wins with it in the WCW Cruiser division, but I can't recall a single clean finish in the WWE(f). I know he's won a couple, but that's only after a chair shot/interference/double team beatdown, etc. The only credible win I remember him getting with it was when he and Benoit took the tag belts from Austin/HHH. But that was a long match and it made sense that a Lionsault could have finished it. Don't forget HHH hitting Austin with a sledgehammer before that.I don't remember heel Jericho in wcw winning with the Lionsault that much,it was usually the Liontamer.
Toxxic Posted January 18, 2004 Report Posted January 18, 2004 4) The RKO. Sloppy As Fuck. Orton should sit and watch DDP matches and then figure out how to make the Diamond Cutter look crisp whilst running, cos he ain't got it yet. Strangely, we have Johnny Ace, inventor of the Ace Crusher, and two guys who derived their moves from it in DDP and Austin in WWE (isn't DDP a road agent now?), and he hasn't gotten one of them to help him pull the move off better or to come up with a version all his own? Incidently, what does RKO stand for? Is it his initials, signifying some middle name beginning with 'K' I don't know about?("Kennedy"? OMG~! There's another reason Vince is pushing him!) Or does it stand for "Randy Knock-Out" or what?
razazteca Posted January 18, 2004 Report Posted January 18, 2004 Matt Hardy's version of the Ace Crusher (Twist of Fate) > RKO Ace Crusher
Toxxic Posted January 18, 2004 Report Posted January 18, 2004 Matt Hardy's version of the Ace Crusher (Twist of Fate) > RKO Ace Crusher Oh without a doubt. But then Hardy > 9/10ths Raw's roster. In fact Mattitude should be competing for the Raw title if things were going on merit. Against Jericho.
Papacita Posted January 18, 2004 Report Posted January 18, 2004 The FU, even though it seems to be getting over. I've never been too big on the Olympic Slam either. I like it as a transition move, but I could never buy it as a legit finish. World's Strongest Slam The Worm (as a finish) Sliced Bread #2. I like Spanky, but I'm sorry. I just don't like the move. Victoria's twirling sideslam thing (she brings her opponent from like a fireman's carry position down into a sidewalk slam I think). It's a cool move in theory, but it looks so damn fake when she does it. Whenever Rey runs to the opposite rope before doing the 619. Bubba Bomb There are probably some more that I can't think of right now.
Guest Anglesault Posted January 18, 2004 Report Posted January 18, 2004 4) The RKO. Sloppy As Fuck. Orton should sit and watch DDP matches and then figure out how to make the Diamond Cutter look crisp whilst running, cos he ain't got it yet. Strangely, we have Johnny Ace, inventor of the Ace Crusher, and two guys who derived their moves from it in DDP and Austin in WWE (isn't DDP a road agent now?), and he hasn't gotten one of them to help him pull the move off better or to come up with a version all his own? Incidently, what does RKO stand for? Is it his initials, signifying some middle name beginning with 'K' I don't know about?("Kennedy"? OMG~! There's another reason Vince is pushing him!) Or does it stand for "Randy Knock-Out" or what? Randall Keith Orton.
Guest Anglesault Posted January 18, 2004 Report Posted January 18, 2004 Flair calls him it at Survivor Series. And I trust the word of Flair over the word of Suckbag.
TheFranchise Posted January 18, 2004 Report Posted January 18, 2004 Oh good god, of course. Who'd you believe, God or Lucifer?
deancoles Posted January 19, 2004 Report Posted January 19, 2004 Oh good god, of course. Who'd you believe, God or Lucifer? Lucifer,because he was Jake Roberts' snake in the early 90s and god was responsible for Friar Ferguson in the early 90s
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