LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted January 29, 2004 Who else on Raw do you see getting more TV time than Orton. He's the IC champion......he's in a main event calibur feud now. The announcers make him out to be god everytime they get an oppurtunity. Yet, you're saying he's not being pushed down our throats. Wake up bro Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted January 29, 2004 This guy for whatever reason gets the world handed to him as soon as he enters the WWE. It all started with the 3rd Generation promos. Rock never got those promos. Lesnar was pushed to the moon, but he took some lumps first. Orton doesn't deserve his position and has much much to prove. Until then he will continue to get bashed until he proves his worth. The world handed to him? Odd, I haven't seen him in a world title match yet, his only connection to the main event is being part of Evolution and so far the only "legends" he's "killed" are washed-up has-beens. Where the fuck is this uber-push everyone is bitching about? Until you see him in a world title match or laying out someone like HBK clean don't tell me he's being shoved down our throats. He's a mid-carder being pushed as a midcarder. That explains why, despite his complete lack of heat, he is on every show several times, gets longer matches than most everyone else, wins every match he is in clean, and is in a main event program with Mick Foley. Because he's being pushed as a midcarder. Meaningless midcard matches, except for the one with RVD. Oh, wait now you'll tell me RVD carried him all through the match because of that concussion, but if he didn't have one and he had to carry RVD (as is usually the case) we'd be hearing "How hard is it to carry RVD to a match?" Actually, I'd assume it's pretty hard to carry RVD, on account of the suckiness and all. Ditto with Orton. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted January 29, 2004 Since June 9th...10-3 in singles matches. Keep in mind that he was also occasionally teaming with Flair and HHH to take on guys like Kevin Nash, Shawn Michaels and Bill Goldberg which could be construed as Main Event level matches. I'll agree that singles wise he hasn't had many Main Event level matches although there has been a few. Randy Orton b. Helms Randy Orton b. Maven Randy Orton b. Tommy Dreamer Randy Orton b. Val Venis Randy Orton b. Scott Steiner Bill Goldberg b. Randy Orton Randy Orton b. Maven Booker T. b. Randy Orton via CO Shawn Michaels b. Randy Orton Randy Orton b. Sgt. Slaughter Randy Orton b. Booker T. Randy Orton b. Rob Van Dam Randy Orton b. Hurricane Helms Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Your Olympic Hero Report post Posted January 29, 2004 Hi moron. These are the forums of www.thesmartmarks.com. We are all "Smart Marks", fans of the entertaining, talented wrestlers who, for the most part, never quite seem to get their due. Keywords: entertaining and talented. SO... If Randy Orton screws up, and Eddy Guerrero screws up... we are going to make fun of Randy Orton. Make sense? I believe so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted January 29, 2004 Bill Goldberg b. Randy Orton Randy Orton b. Maven Booker T. b. Randy Orton via CO Shawn Michaels b. Randy Orton I think that sums up his "monster push" real well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted January 29, 2004 Then again, he has had 9 "Main Event" level tag matches although these could be debatable since Trips was usually feuding with the guys involved. So if anything, we're all complaining that he's getting shoved down our throats because he's involved with Evolution and thus is getting in these high profile matches where he may not be deserving of. At least that's the reason for me. Since June 2nd Orton/HHH/Flair b. Helms/Nash/HBK HBK/Nash b. Orton/Flair Goldberg/HBK/Maven b. Orton/Flair/HHH HHH/Flair d. Orton/Goldberg Golberg/HBK b. Orton/Flair Goldberg/HBK b. Henry/Flair/Orton HHH/Orton/Batista b. Goldberg RVD/HBK/Goldberg b. Batista/Orton/Kane Orton/Flair/Batista b. Jericho/RVD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted January 29, 2004 I don't think he's getting a monster push........just shoved down our throats too much Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted January 29, 2004 He's getting exposure, which until the recent downtime was a common thing and wasn't written off as a monster push within seconds. And he hasn't been made to look like a 1 on 1 threat to any maineventer yet. If he's beating up Goldberg it's from behind, HBK did nothing for him in terms of making him credible, anything done by the Foley coward thing was erased on Raw. He simply gotten a steady elevation since he's joined evolution, which is expect since he's presented as the other singles competitor of the stable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted January 29, 2004 Yeah Jester that's pretty much my reasoning. Everytime the guy steps in the ring I want to change the channel because I know the match is going to suck. Then I watch it and low and behold.......the match sucks. Wow. I'm not going to crucify him for blowing spots. But b/c I don't like him and don't like his matches I'm going to laugh my ass off when he blows a spot. As a matter of fact I laugh my ass off when anybody blows a spot. SS03' was hilarious. Goldberg falling, Kane falling off the top rope, and Kurt Angle botching his counter.......all funny. I let the Kane shit slide because the guy's been doing the top rope lariat for years, and this was the first time I remember him slipping. But at least he didnt hit the move, as RVD moved to make it look like RVD had enough time to recover. Goldberg slipping was hilarious though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted January 29, 2004 How many heels these days get clean wins? Hell Jericho couldn't buy a clean win over Maven when he was the freaking Champion!!! No heel other than Triple H in recent memory has won so many matches clean as has Orton. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted January 29, 2004 Over midcard talent, hell he didn't even go over RVD clean until there second match. Last time I checked clean wins over maven and hurricane didn't equal a monster push. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted January 29, 2004 Over midcard talent, hell he didn't even go over RVD clean until there second match. Last time I checked clean wins over maven and hurricane didn't equal a monster push. Again..... What heel, other than Triple H, goes over any talent clean? Like I said Jericho as champ had to cheat to retain over such monster threats as Maven and Taz. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted January 29, 2004 Over midcard talent, hell he didn't even go over RVD clean until there second match. Last time I checked clean wins over maven and hurricane didn't equal a monster push. You wanna use the words "monster push" a little more? We get it...you don't think he's getting a monster push Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted January 29, 2004 Hell, Kane who was built up as an unstoppable monster could've even beat non-wrestler Shane clean in a match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted January 29, 2004 Hell, Kane who was built up as an unstoppable monster could've even beat non-wrestler Shane clean in a match. Kane couldn't beat Shane clean because in reality, he's SuperMcman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted January 29, 2004 Are clean wins for heels a bad thing? I mean I don't see how the reasoning of "who else" works in this case when I'd consider that a problem not a good thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Askewniverse Report post Posted January 29, 2004 Shawn Michaels b. Randy Orton Were you talking about their match at Unforgiven? If you were, Orton won that match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 29, 2004 This guy for whatever reason gets the world handed to him as soon as he enters the WWE. It all started with the 3rd Generation promos. Rock never got those promos. Lesnar was pushed to the moon, but he took some lumps first. Orton doesn't deserve his position and has much much to prove. Until then he will continue to get bashed until he proves his worth. The world handed to him? Odd, I haven't seen him in a world title match yet, I've seen him in two. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted January 29, 2004 This guy for whatever reason gets the world handed to him as soon as he enters the WWE. It all started with the 3rd Generation promos. Rock never got those promos. Lesnar was pushed to the moon, but he took some lumps first. Orton doesn't deserve his position and has much much to prove. Until then he will continue to get bashed until he proves his worth. The world handed to him? Odd, I haven't seen him in a world title match yet, I've seen him in two. Elimination Chamber II and vs. Undertaker on SD I'm guessing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 29, 2004 Bill Goldberg b. Randy Orton Randy Orton b. Maven Booker T. b. Randy Orton via CO Shawn Michaels b. Randy Orton I think that sums up his "monster push" real well. I think an analysis of how many times he was on each of those shows is in order. Keep in mind he's as over as the ring apron while doing it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted January 29, 2004 Wait until Orton RKO's Benoit for the RAW title. Talk about all hell breaking loose. The botch was hilarious and it was even funnier watching the second time as Jericho had to look back like a moron and wait for Orton. It was funny and he wasn't hurt, therefore I laugh my ass off at him. I find Randy to be the most uninteresting wrestler in the company, so much so that I'd rather see Maven in a main event over Luger V2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted January 29, 2004 No askew, all the matches I posted were from Raws only Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted January 29, 2004 Wait until Orton RKO's Benoit for the RAW title. Talk about all hell breaking loose. The botch was hilarious and it was even funnier watching the second time as Jericho had to look back like a moron and wait for Orton. It was funny and he wasn't hurt, therefore I laugh my ass off at him. I find Randy to be the most uninteresting wrestler in the company, so much so that I'd rather see Maven in a main event over Luger V2. I can't wait for the Orton express id he is the second coming of Lex Luger. He can botch a running forearm as his finisher. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted January 29, 2004 As over as the ring apron. I never knew the ring apron was more over than Matt Hardy. No wonder he isn't getting pushed..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 29, 2004 As over as the ring apron. I never knew the ring apron was more over than Matt Hardy. No wonder he isn't getting pushed..... Orton is more over than Matt Hardy? ORTON? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Askewniverse Report post Posted January 29, 2004 No askew, all the matches I posted were from Raws only Sorry, my mistake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted January 29, 2004 As over as the ring apron. I never knew the ring apron was more over than Matt Hardy. No wonder he isn't getting pushed..... That isn't a fair comparision. You can't compare a guy who gets multiple segments and gets treated like he won the Rumble and has a title to a guy who gets squashed every week. The amount of time put into Orton isn't justified by the fact that he gets a mid-card response on a good night. If you put even half this effort into most of the mid-card on Raw they'd be twice as over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted January 29, 2004 Everyone is more over than Orton. Hell, some referee's get better reactions than Orton. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted January 29, 2004 As over as the ring apron. I never knew the ring apron was more over than Matt Hardy. No wonder he isn't getting pushed..... Please.......for the love of god please tell me you're kidding. You cannot possibly think Orton is more over than Hardy. Hardy is the guy that has his entrance cut because he gets to many pops. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted January 29, 2004 And Matt got de-pushed straight to hell. First, they get rid of his cool ass V1 t-shirts in favor of those puke colored girly ones. Christ, if they cared about him they would have SEEN the V1 shirts in the crowd and not cancel the damn thing. Second, they slice down his entrance so he can't get face pops And then, they bumble the turn on Lita. I mean, she is one of the most over females in the company so turning on her could have been HUGE for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
