Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 31, 2004 bps, He's being used, it was a running angle through out the show that he was part of. I mean hell if thats a megapush, what is Foley getting considering it's all being built around his character up until this point? Mind you, Foley also has the level of heat where you can justify him being all over a show. Which he really wasn't. Considering this whole gigantic to the moon megapush is nothing more than marketing what you have faith in and using a guy as opposed to not using a guy But it's just not working. It's time to pull the plug. That's what you said about Lesnar, AS. I also said it about Test. His reactions are improving, only the most delusional would deny it. Color me delusional. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted January 31, 2004 His reactions are improving, only the most delusional would deny it. Color me delusional. I don't have that crayon, is Robin's Egg Blue close enough? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Use Your Illusion 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2004 bps, He's being used, it was a running angle through out the show that he was part of. I mean hell if thats a megapush, what is Foley getting considering it's all being built around his character up until this point? Mind you, Foley also has the level of heat where you can justify him being all over a show. Which he really wasn't. Considering this whole gigantic to the moon megapush is nothing more than marketing what you have faith in and using a guy as opposed to not using a guy But it's just not working. It's time to pull the plug. That's what you said about Lesnar, AS. Plus, it IS working. His reactions are improving, only the most delusional would deny it. His in ring stuff is getting more and intense. I used to think he was bland, now I'm a FAN of Randy. Besides, Mick's angle with him, is just revving up and I want to see the ending of it. So far it's been really cool stuff. I agree totally. Orton impressed me at the Rumble, and I quite enjoyed his match with Van Dam on RAW the other week, and God knows how much I despise anything involving RVD. UYI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 31, 2004 His reactions are improving, only the most delusional would deny it. Color me delusional. I don't have that crayon, is Robin's Egg Blue close enough? Closer to a red. I've yet to hear him get anything even approaching upper midcard heat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted January 31, 2004 Try using a cutip to unclog all that predisposed bias out of your ears. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted January 31, 2004 "I'm taking it from the day he returned and beat up the number one contender and top babyace, straight through feud with top babyface where he MEd Summerslam, to where he (while still heatless) defeated one of the top faces on the show on a PPV fairly clean and then totally clean on a Raw, to where he was the raw Iron man, to where he was on about 45 minutes of a two hour show this week. " Yeah and he really came off as a super threat to that number 1 contender and babyface, and that ME'ing Summerslam, that was all Orton right there, and fairly clean? If Flairs in the match it's not fairly clean, he wasn't on TV for 45 minutes if you count last weeks Raw and this Raw, so of course yet another exaggeration. For the love of god make a point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 31, 2004 Yeah and he really came off as a super threat to that number 1 contender and babyface Did he even have any real dealings with Nash after that? And he beat HBK at Shawn's own game. and that ME'ing Summerslam, that was all Orton right there That wan't Orton? I don't care what the circumstances were, a totally heatless, awful wrestler (and you can't deny that he was either at that point) was in a world title match at the second biggest PPV of the year. Why did they put Orton in and not Stevie Richards? Because they were pushing Orton. and fairly clean? If Flairs in the match it's not fairly clean, He was crotched on the top rope and RKOed while Foley took care of Flair. airly clean. And then he beat him totally clean. he wasn't on TV for 45 minutes I'm sorry, it was more like 35. For the love of god make a point. My point? It's all about heat. not over enough to beat HBK. He's not over enough to beat RVD He's not over enough to be aRaw Rumble Ironman He's not over enough to get three and four segments a week. He's not over enough to feud with Mick Foley. I can't believe I have to argue that the guy is getting a push. He's Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted January 31, 2004 He's being used, everything you've stated he shouldn't do because he's not over enough, have happened to get him over. You just don't get this, so you just exxagerate as much as possible. Tell me, did he in anyway ever look like a 1-1 threat to Nash? HBK? Any main eventer? No, he hasn't. And yeah, Triple H's lackey in a 6 man elimination match is really what I call Main Eventing. How dare he be used to put Triple H over as a heel, how dare he. Your points are tired and not holding up, I wonder how long until you start taking back some of what you've said before..... *reads what you said about never saying monster push*.... oh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2004 He's being used, everything you've stated he shouldn't do because he's not over enough, have happened to get him over. Also they aren't doing much good for him either. The Foley feud now--this reeks of desperation to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 31, 2004 have happened to get him over. Here's the point where Tell me, did he in anyway ever look like a 1-1 threat to Nash? You'll have to show me the Orton/Nash match, I don't remember it. HBK? I certainly think that he's at the point where by hook or by crook he can beat Shawn. More than I can say for Rob Conway and those sort. And yeah, Triple H's lackey in a 6 man elimination match How did he do this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted January 31, 2004 bps, He's being used, it was a running angle through out the show that he was part of. I mean hell if thats a megapush, what is Foley getting considering it's all being built around his character up until this point? Mind you, Foley also has the level of heat where you can justify him being all over a show. Which he really wasn't. Considering this whole gigantic to the moon megapush is nothing more than marketing what you have faith in and using a guy as opposed to not using a guy But it's just not working. It's time to pull the plug. That's what you said about Lesnar, AS. Plus, it IS working. His reactions are improving, only the most delusional would deny it. His in ring stuff is getting more and intense. I used to think he was bland, now I'm a FAN of Randy. Besides, Mick's angle with him, is just revving up and I want to see the ending of it. So far it's been really cool stuff. Even though I'm no an ORton fan, I won't say he isn't getting reactions now. He's getting slighty better but nothing ground breaking. And off topic, why does HHH look like Gene Wilder in your sig MrZsasz? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted January 31, 2004 "Here's the point where" Is english becoming too much for you now!? They are using him to get him over, not because of how over he was, try to realize this. Very simple. "You'll have to show me the Orton/Nash match, I don't remember it." What does a match have to do with anything? Answer the question. "I certainly think that he's at the point where by hook or by crook he can beat Shawn. More than I can say for Rob Conway and those sort. And yeah, Triple H's lackey in a 6 man elimination match How did he do this?" What like interference from Flair, Batista and a couple brass knuck shots? Yeah thats really looking like a threat. And how was he not a lackey going into the match? His goal was established to be helping Triple H, it wasn't like he was a World Title contender, he was put in that match to aid Triple H, it was a move by Bischoff to put him and Evolution over as heels against Goldberg. Keep trying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 31, 2004 "Here's the point where" Is english becoming too much for you now!? They are using him to get him over, not because of how over he was, try to realize this. Very simple. Ah. Misreadthat. I thought. you said that it meaning that those thing gots him over. I thought you were using "have happened" like "did in fact" Don't mind me. What does a match have to do with anything? Answer the question. Yes. Nash was beaten by Test in a minute and a half. Orton was booked stronger than test. What like interference from Flair, Batista and a couple brass knuck shots? Yeah thats really looking like a threat. You seem to be intermingling matches. Anyway, considering that Shawn actually lost like four matches all year, I'd say a win over him is big. Randy cheated to beat Shawn. So did HHH, so did Jericho, so did Flair. And how was he not a lackey going into the match? His goal was established to be helping Triple H, it wasn't like he was a World Title contender, he was put in that match to aid Triple H, it was a move by Bischoff to put him and Evolution over as heels against Goldberg. Oh, so Bischoff made the elimination Chamber match? Bischoff? Interesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2004 Can the Orton boosters give me one reason not to hate Orton other than "he's slowly getting better"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nighthawk 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2004 He has a good body and cool theme song. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2004 I was about to say after seeing SMDN the other night... Eddie didn't really miss much that I saw. The only slightly odd spot was the headscissors which is hard to pull off with 8 guys in the ring. Eddie just tossed Haas right after it so it's not like it mattered really. The Rikishi frogsplash spot wasn't a missed spot at all, more that Kish just didn't have himself positioned on his back and it looked awkward. The whole "Eddie almost falls to floor, ref helps" stuff was not there at all. Actually Eddie almost fell and the ref was nearby but didn't actually touch him. That ADDED to the match, it wasn't a missed spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted January 31, 2004 Anglesault, do you just try to talk in circles when you get to this point? "Yes. Nash was beaten by Test in a minute and a half. Orton was booked stronger than test." ....Well if this isn't the most retarded logic I've ever seen, then damn. How did Test beat him in a minute and half? How did any of the credibility Test had parlay to Orton when Orton's never gone over him? How can you say something so fucking dumb? You seem to be intermingling matches. Anyway, considering that Shawn actually lost like four matches all year, I'd say a win over him is big. Randy cheated to beat Shawn. So did HHH, so did Jericho, so did Flair. Oh man you really got me there, It was Flair and the Brass knucks one match, Flair and Batista the next. I guess you were right there... Oh wow, he can cheat to beat someone. Thats what I call a super push huh..... If I face Wayne Gretzky in a 1-1 hockey match, and I can't do shit until I break his leg with my stick, me winning does not let the world know I'm a better hockey player. "Can the Orton boosters give me one reason not to hate Orton other than "he's slowly getting better"? " I'm beginning to wonder if you can read them... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted January 31, 2004 Oh and Anglesault, maybe if you actually had a point about the EC main eventing, you could make it, because I'd really like to see something other than mindless banter.....like a point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted January 31, 2004 So, people do NOT like the Orton-Foley feud? Don't people here think it has been an effective feud so far? And a feud which people clearly care about? Of course, because Randy Orton is involved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2004 So, people do NOT like the Orton-Foley feud? Don't people here think it has been an effective feud so far? And a feud which people clearly care about? Of course, because Randy Orton is involved. I don't like the feud, but that is more due to my Foley hatred. Also, because, ya know, the feud has sucked... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jack_Bauer 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2004 Everyone blows spots. Some people repeat them. Angle v Lesnar at Wrestlemania XIX anyone ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
humongous2002 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2004 I watch the Foley/Orton feud just because of Mick.I could give a shit about Orton or the Orton fluffers that would do anything including drinking his man-juice just to make Orton sound like he really earned his push. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted January 31, 2004 I watch the Foley/Orton feud just because of Mick.I could give a shit about Orton or the Orton fluffers that would do anything including drinking his man-juice just to make Orton sound like he really earned his push. Give up Orton lovers, clearly you are outmatched in THIS game of wits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 31, 2004 "Yes. Nash was beaten by Test in a minute and a half. Orton was booked stronger than test." ....Well if this isn't the most retarded logic I've ever seen, then damn. How did Test beat him in a minute and half? By...pinning him.... How did Test beat him in a minute and half? How did any of the credibility Test had parlay to Orton when Orton's never gone over him? How can you say something so fucking dumb? How can you say that Orton wasn't a challenge to Nash when they never interacted in a one on one setting? Oh wow, he can cheat to beat someone. Thats what I call a super push huh..... No huge heel has ever done that. Nope, no one. Never ever. Oh and Anglesault, maybe if you actually had a point about the EC main eventing, you could make it, because I'd really like to see something other than mindless banter.....like a point. My point is that you blatantly lied while trying to make your point when you said Bisch made the match with Orton as Trips' back up. Austin made the match with Orton as another obstacle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted January 31, 2004 No huge heel has ever done that. Nope, no one. Never ever. No midcard heel has ever done it either. Nope. Never. Anywhoo....THIS guy is gonna be a favourite 'round here. "Certainly though he has benefited, obtaining very strong and profound heat " on Randy Orton, and his feud with Foley. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted January 31, 2004 So, people do NOT like the Orton-Foley feud? Don't people here think it has been an effective feud so far? And a feud which people clearly care about? Of course, because Randy Orton is involved. Three things about the feud. 1. It's entirely carried by Foley. 2. It's entirely wasted on Orton. 3. It's very, very sad that Mick Foley has to come out of retirement to get this little shit over. Yes, I know, the rumor is that he himself proposed this storyline. I'd rather Mick spend his days cranking out novels than having to come back and do jobs to give Randy fucking Orton heat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted January 31, 2004 I mean the matches. His promos are pretty damn good. . I'll start what I finished? He CONSTANTLY trips over is own words out there. I remember him absolutely BUTCHERING his promo with EB on RAW this week. Or was it last week? Anyway, he CLEARLY was stumbling all over his words. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted January 31, 2004 "By...pinning him...." Yeah that obviously what I meant. How about the circumstances of the match? What led to a Test win? "How can you say that Orton wasn't a challenge to Nash when they never interacted in a one on one setting?" You said he was presented as one, which I'm denying. Never was Orton made to look like a 1-1 threat to Nash, ever. He was doing the lackey in a heel stable role, how this equals a big push is what I'm wondering. "No huge heel has ever done that. Nope, no one. Never ever. " Yes and it's certainly something that's exclusive to heels getting major pushes right? Your getting laughable.... "My point is that you blatantly lied while trying to make your point when you said Bisch made the match with Orton as Trips' back up. Austin made the match with Orton as another obstacle. " Oh thats right, I must of been confused considering the promo's before hand where Orton was built up as help for Triple H, and how the entire match worked out....silly me... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted January 31, 2004 Eddie stumbles on his words a lot, as does Angle, considering they've been around doing that for a good 4-5 years now and Orton for less than 1, I fail to see where that can be held against him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 31, 2004 So, people do NOT like the Orton-Foley feud? I think they care about Foley. The total lack of reaction for Orton seems to lean against any interest in him and the feud as a whole. Yeah that obviously what I meant. How about the circumstances of the match? What led to a Test win? Trish ran out and tried to beat Test up and Test through her towards Nash. Yes and it's certainly something that's exclusive to heels getting major pushes right? Your getting laughable.... Yes and it's certainly something that's exclusive to heels getting major pushes right? Your getting laughable.... There was a midcard heel that cheated to beat HBK last year? Who? I seriously can't believe that you say that because he cheated to beat Shawn-Something the top three heels on the show had to do- he wasn't getting a push. Austin made the match with Orton as another obstacle. " Oh thats right, I must of been confused considering the promo's before hand where Orton was built up as help for Triple H, and how the entire match worked out....silly me... So, Austin, the face, put back up in the match for the heel champ? He must have been drunk. And all the "Top five contenders for the belt against HHH" business? And Flair having to eliminate any thoughts of seriously competing from Orton? If randy was a non-threat, why bother? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
