Goldberg For The April Mega PPV

[BoboBrazil 0]

Since WWE won't resign him most likely after WM, it would be great timing for him to debut for TNA like the week after, shocking the shit out of everyone who doesn't know he is leaving.

[Guest KidKrash]

Shock the shit out of who? Not THAT many people watch TNA. It isn't even on TV yet.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

And they better have about $100,000 sitting around to do it.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

Since WWE won't resign him most likely after WM, it would be great timing for him to debut for TNA like the week after, shocking the shit out of everyone who doesn't know he is leaving.

The same people that don't know he's leaving WWE are the same people that don't know TNA exists.

[eirejmcmahon 0]

If they can get Goldberg for the same money as Nash/Hall/Sting/Macho combined then I reckon they'd be better off doing so.

[TheFranchise 0]

If they can get Goldberg for the same money as Nash/Hall/Sting/Macho combined then I reckon they'd be better off doing so.

If they got <insert good indy guy with a good talent> for Nash/Hall/Sting/Macho/Goldberg's money then they'd STILL be better doingso.

[k thx 0]

Meh, Goldberg is just a poor mans Randy Savage.

[eirejmcmahon 0]

If they can get Goldberg for the same money as Nash/Hall/Sting/Macho combined then I reckon they'd be better off doing so.

If they got <insert good indy guy with a good talent> for Nash/Hall/Sting/Macho/Goldberg's money then they'd STILL be better doingso.

To be fair, I think they already have a strong indy roster signed up, I'm looking at it in terms of getting in outside mark-appeal talent for their big show.

[TheFranchise 0]

If they can get Goldberg for the same money as Nash/Hall/Sting/Macho combined then I reckon they'd be better off doing so.

If they got <insert good indy guy with a good talent> for Nash/Hall/Sting/Macho/Goldberg's money then they'd STILL be better doingso.

To be fair, I think they already have a strong indy roster signed up, I'm looking at it in terms of getting in outside mark-appeal talent for their big show.

But Mark's can't stand him either! To be honest, i'd rather see a Sting match.

[Guest nikowwf]

Getting Goldberg would probably be considered by the WWE a raid on their talent, and a talent war with the WWE would not benefit TNA. I don't care how much talent the WWE has been letting go recently, they'd strip TNA dry if they thought TNA was actively courting their current talent.

 

and TNA probably couldn't afford it regardless.

 

niko

[BoboBrazil 0]

TNA can afford him. The question is if Panda wants to spend that much.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

Goldberg isn't a draw anymore, so this will NOT help TNA.

[SamoaRowe 0]

Um, no one is a draw anymore.

[Michrome 0]

Saying Goldberg is not a draw anymore is silly. He still does incredible merchandise sales, did great ratings as champ, and did a better-than-expected buyrate against Hunter in September. Goldberg is more of a draw than Nash, Hall, and Savage combined. Who else can honestly say they've pinned Rock, Hogan, Hunter, Jericho, Shawn, Page, Sting, Nash....Getting Goldberg would be worth more than getting all of these other clowns. Zach arnold made some good points about him the other day:

 

It's easy to bash Bill Goldberg online.  What's not easy to bash is that he ranked #1 on the RAW roster internal WWE marketing list and he's also the most marketable RAW wrestler the company has right now in Japan and other markets.  Goldberg's current contract with PRIDE/Dream Stage Entertainment is running out and he may not be available for use in Japan until June '04, but when/if Goldberg signs up with WWE again, he makes an intriguing play for a big show in Japan for a PPV (Vince McMahon has always wanted to run the Tokyo Dome).  For all the complaints leveled at Goldberg, the same amount of complaints and more should be leveled at his employers for not being able to figure out how to use him, just like the company didn't maximize the drawing potential of Kurt Angle throughout his career, or The Big Show, or countless other workers. 

 

At $1 million dollars a year, Goldberg is a steal for a national promotion.  You can generate that income at least 20 times over with merchandise and live gates.  The big question is his health.  When healthy, he's the best 'ace' WWE could have given the circumstances.

 

A huge problem TNA has had is getting In Demand to show confidence in the show, and advertise it. If they do the big 3 hour PPV, and have Goldberg on it, In Demand would probably actually advertise for it.

[Michrome 0]

Another silly point is saying no-one is a draw. Eddy and Rey are big house show draws, and Eddy has been a big ratings draw too. There are still people that draw, just less of them.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

If they can get Goldberg for the same money as Nash/Hall/Sting/Macho combined then I reckon they'd be better off doing so.

I agree with this a thousand times over.

 

Problem: There's no way in hell that Goldberg is jobbing to anyone on the roster.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

Um, no one is a draw anymore.

Mick Foley sure as hell is.

[Michrome 0]

Who cares if Goldberg won't job? He doesn't have to job. Build up unstoppable undefeated Goldberg, have him plow through Jarrett, and go completely undefeated until another star is created truly worth putting over Berg. If he refuses, just release him.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

Goldberg didn't job in WCW for over a year, and WCW rode that to the bank.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Getting Goldberg would probably be considered by the WWE a raid on their talent, and a talent war with the WWE would not benefit TNA. I don't care how much talent the WWE has been letting go recently, they'd strip TNA dry if they thought TNA was actively courting their current talent.

 

and TNA probably couldn't afford it regardless.

 

niko

Actually thats wrong. TNA was smart enoughto have their top stars( and even lesser guys) sign 1 year contracts, where they can't work anywhere else (outside Indy's). In short, it's a "No WWE" Contract. So WWE Can't do shit.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

Saying Goldberg is not a draw anymore is silly. He still does incredible merchandise sales, did great ratings as champ, and did a better-than-expected buyrate against Hunter in September. Goldberg is more of a draw than Nash, Hall, and Savage combined. Who else can honestly say they've pinned Rock, Hogan, Hunter, Jericho, Shawn, Page, Sting, Nash....Getting Goldberg would be worth more than getting all of these other clowns. Zach arnold made some good points about him the other day:

 

It's easy to bash Bill Goldberg online.  What's not easy to bash is that he ranked #1 on the RAW roster internal WWE marketing list and he's also the most marketable RAW wrestler the company has right now in Japan and other markets.  Goldberg's current contract with PRIDE/Dream Stage Entertainment is running out and he may not be available for use in Japan until June '04, but when/if Goldberg signs up with WWE again, he makes an intriguing play for a big show in Japan for a PPV (Vince McMahon has always wanted to run the Tokyo Dome).  For all the complaints leveled at Goldberg, the same amount of complaints and more should be leveled at his employers for not being able to figure out how to use him, just like the company didn't maximize the drawing potential of Kurt Angle throughout his career, or The Big Show, or countless other workers. 

 

At $1 million dollars a year, Goldberg is a steal for a national promotion.  You can generate that income at least 20 times over with merchandise and live gates.  The big question is his health.  When healthy, he's the best 'ace' WWE could have given the circumstances.

 

A huge problem TNA has had is getting In Demand to show confidence in the show, and advertise it. If they do the big 3 hour PPV, and have Goldberg on it, In Demand would probably actually advertise for it.

Goldberg is NOT a DRAW. He was for a stint in WCW, before they started doing terrible things with the character. He didn't do GREAT ratings as the champ. His match against HHH where he won the title, had WWE upset because of the low buyrates and high expectations. Merchandise sales mean nothing in this situation, because TNA is not even able to provide proper merchandise for wrestlers that have been there and already have contracts.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

Goldberg is NOT a DRAW. He was for a stint in WCW, before they started doing terrible things with the character.

So, what you're saying then is as long as they do smart things with his character, he is a draw.

 

 

 

 

GOLDBERG IS A DRAW

[BoboBrazil 0]

Goldberg is a draw. His first match in WWE vs. Christian of all people drew something like a 5.2 rating, which is like 2 or 3 million more people than usual. It isn't his fault WWE screwed him up and didn't use him properly.

[Michrome 0]

Goldberg is not a draw...Funny, then why is he on WWE's internal draw list as # 1? Why does his merch do so well? Why do house show sales pick up bigtime when he is added? Do you care about facts? Why am I asking when the answer is obviously no?

 

As Zach said, paying a million dollars a year for him is *nothing* compared to the gates, merch, and buyrates he brings in. That character is salavageable in no time, all he has to do is get on TNA TV, remind everyone that he's 2-0 singles against HHH, 1-0 against The Rock, and name all the huge names he's beaten...and then DEMOLISH his way through TNA....Northcutt, Abyss, all the way to Jarrett. You're wrong if you don't think he's a draw. The numbers tell a different story, and using caps for the word not doesn't change the facts.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

Goldberg is not a draw...Funny, then why is he on WWE's internal draw list as # 1? Why does his merch do so well? Why do house show sales pick up bigtime when he is added? Do you care about facts? Why am I asking when the answer is obviously no?

 

As Zach said, paying a million dollars a year for him is *nothing* compared to the gates, merch, and buyrates he brings in. That character is salavageable in no time, all he has to do is get on TNA TV, remind everyone that he's 2-0 singles against HHH, 1-0 against The Rock, and name all the huge names he's beaten...and then DEMOLISH his way through TNA....Northcutt, Abyss, all the way to Jarrett. You're wrong if you don't think he's a draw. The numbers tell a different story, and using caps for the word not doesn't change the facts.

Have you seen the lists the WWE has released? Most of them are bullshit anyway. Why are shows that Goldberg are on not selling out? If he was such a draw they would sell out everything with his name on correct? Also, I wouldn't say that everything that the WWE is fact. Unless, you want to be grossly misled on their stance in the professional wrestling business.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

Why are shows that Goldberg are on not selling out? If he was such a draw they would sell out everything with his name on correct?

No, you're not correct.

 

If a show normally would draw 5,000 people, and person X being on the show would mean the show would then get 9,000 people, and the arena holds 15,000 people, then by your definition of "drawing," person X isn't a draw because eventhough he single handedly added 4,000 people, the place didn't sell out.

[Michrome 0]

You can do a very basic expirement. The dependent variable is house show attendance, and the independent variable is the presence of a wrestler. The biggest house show draws in the WWE (not counting inactives like Austin/Foley) are Goldberg, Eddy Guerrero, and Rey Rey.

 

Someone being a draw doesn't mean they sellout every show--it means the shows do better in attendance when the person is on them. Why are you being so dense? The character assasination is by no means complete--he can recover almost immediately, as seen at SS 2003, before he was buried. It doesn't matter though--the presence, the intensity, and the name are ALL DRAWS. Promise Goldberg in Nashville and they'll have their first ever legit sellout.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

You can do a very basic expirement. The dependent variable is house show attendance, and the independent variable is the presence of a wrestler. The biggest house show draws in the WWE (not counting inactives like Austin/Foley) are Goldberg, Eddy Guerrero, and Rey Rey.

 

Someone being a draw doesn't mean they sellout every show--it means the shows do better in attendance when the person is on them. Why are you being so dense? The character assasination is by no means complete--he can recover almost immediately, as seen at SS 2003, before he was buried. It doesn't matter though--the presence, the intensity, and the name are ALL DRAWS. Promise Goldberg in Nashville and they'll have their first ever legit sellout.

But my point about the Character aspect of things is exactly this. They obviously don't have the talent(big names or viable opponents) for Goldberg to work programs with. Nobody in the company would be remotely believable to beat Goldberg thus killing his drawing power. Now at first(because of him debuting and still being "new") it would garner interest, but it would wear very thin IMO. He is a short term solution to a long term problem.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

But my point about the Character aspect of things is exactly this. They obviously don't have the talent(big names or viable opponents) for Goldberg to work programs with. Nobody in the company would be remotely believable to beat Goldberg thus killing his drawing power. Now at first(because of him debuting and still being "new") it would garner interest, but it would wear very thin IMO. He is a short term solution to a long term problem.

You're showing post after post that you completely don't understand Goldberg. People don't want to believe that anyone can beat him. The crowd goes wild when he's on offense, but when he sells, people don't care. Goldberg got over because he dominated people. That's what the public wanted. The loved seeing this maching go into the ring and kill people. Goldberg's "drawing power" has nothing to do with people believing he can lose. It's about getting behind him because you think he can win.

 

He never worked "programs" in WCW. His "program" was being a killing machine. He doesn't need a fued with someone in TNA. He needs to go in there and kick some Ass 1 by 1. If you don't want to totally kill the roster, then bring in some outside guys for him to go through every now and then.

[Michrome 0]

While that's true, it will also be TNA's job to build guys up to feed to him down the line. For example, people really wanted to see Goldberg-Page, because the Diamond Cutter had been built up as DEATH all year, and they wanted to see what would happen. For the big 30 dollar PPVs, TNA would have to have some guys be at least competitive. Goldberg-Abyss would be a good one down the line, Goldberg-Northcutt could be, etc. I think people would like to see Goldberg rip through Shane and Douglas, too.