EdwardKnoxII 0 Report post Posted February 7, 2004 http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/n...l=ny-news-print Man Pleads Guilty in Molestation of 8-Year-Old By Herbert Lowe STAFF WRITER February 4, 2004 A Queens sock vendor pleaded guilty yesterday to molesting and impregnating his girlfriend's 8-year-old daughter and faces 20 years in prison, prosecutors said. Chancellor Drayton, 44, of 4-21 27th Ave. in Astoria, was charged with first-degree rape, police said, after the girl's grandmother found a "Dear Dad" love letter in which the child wrote that she enjoyed having sex with him and added, "I want to marry you." The girl's mother, a Fort Greene resident, contacted police, and tests showed that her daughter was 15 weeks pregnant. At the mother's request, an abortion was performed and police arrested Drayton two weeks later. Prosecutors contended that he had sex with the girl at least four times between Dec. 2001 and Oct. 30, 2002 - usually while the mother, a student at Baruch College, was running errands. Drayton pleaded guilty in State Supreme Court in Kew Gardens to a charge of first-degree sexual conduct against a child. Justice Barry Kron is expected to sentence him to 20 years on Feb. 26, prosecutors said. "The defendant is a dangerous predator who betrayed a child's trust and destroyed her innocence for his own gratification," Queens District Attorney Richard Brown said in a statement. "The crime was monstrous and the 20-year prison term is more than warranted, yet somehow even the long period of imprisonment to be imposed somehow seems lacking," he added. Two months before his arrest in this case, Drayton avoided a possible 25-year sentence when robbery charges against him were dismissed in Queens after a defense attorney, Mel Sachs of Manhattan, and a private investigator exposed discrepancies in the case. Sachs, who also represented Drayton in the girl's case, could not be reached for comment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Deebo Report post Posted February 8, 2004 As if we needed more proof about how fucked up the world currently is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Highland 0 Report post Posted February 8, 2004 Put him in general pop. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted February 8, 2004 They have vending machines with socks? Also out of curiousity at what age does it stop being molestation and then become rape since they're basically the same thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted February 8, 2004 Pregnant at EIGHT?!?! Is that even possible? And Frigid, the guy's clearly guilty of statutory rape, but apparently they knocked the charges down to get him to cop to the plea. I agree with Naibus. Put him in the general pop, and social darwinism will handle the problem well enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted February 8, 2004 Pregnant at EIGHT?!?! Is that even possible? Amazingly enough, yes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted February 8, 2004 Pregnant at EIGHT?!?! Is that even possible? And Frigid, the guy's clearly guilty of statutory rape, but apparently they knocked the charges down to get him to cop to the plea. Most girls start their period between the ages of 8-11 Also I'm not asking whether or not its rape as it was. I'm asking at what age does molestation end and rape begins since you never hear of a 28 year old woman held down and molested in a park. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest T®ITEC Report post Posted February 8, 2004 I thought that it was only molestation if there was no penetration... So what's the legal definition? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest stardust Report post Posted February 8, 2004 from: http://dictionary.law.com/ molestation n. the crime of sexual acts with children up to the age of 18, including touching of private parts, exposure of genitalia, taking of pornographic pictures, rape, inducement of sexual acts with the molester or with other children and variations of these acts by pedophiles. Molestation also applies to incest by a relative with a minor family member and any unwanted sexual acts with adults short of rape. rape 1) n. the crime of sexual intercourse (with actual penetration of a woman's vagina with the man's penis) without consent and accomplished through force, threat of violence or intimidation (such as a threat to harm a woman's child, husband or boyfriend). What constitutes lack of consent usually includes saying "no" or being too drunk or drug-influenced for the woman to be able to either resist or consent, but a recent Pennsylvania case ruled that a woman must do more than say "no" on the bizarre theory that "no" does not always mean "don't," but a flirtatious come-on. "Date rape" involves rape by an acquaintance who refuses to stop when told to. Defense attorneys often argue that there had to be physical resistance, but the modern view is that fear of harm and the relative strengths of the man and the woman are obvious deterrents to a woman fighting back. Any sexual intercourse with a child is rape and in most states sexual relations even with consent involving a girl 14 to 18 (with some variation on ages in a few states) is "statutory rape," on the basis that the female is unable to give consent. 2) v. to have sexual intercourse with a female without her consent through force, violence, threat or intimidation, or with a girl under age. Technically, a woman can be charged with rape by assisting a man in the rape of another woman. Dissatisfied with the typical prosecution of rape cases (in which the defense humiliates the accuser, and prosecutors are unable or unwilling to protect the woman from such tactics), women have been suing for civil damages for the physical and emotional damage caused by the rape, although too often the perpetrator has no funds. Protection services for rape victims have been developed by both public and private agencies. On the other side of the coin, there is the concern of law enforcement and prosecutors that women whose advances have been rejected by a man, or who have been caught in the act of consensual sexual intercourse may falsely cry "rape." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted February 8, 2004 Whoa whoa whoa. She enjoyed it!? She wanted to do it again!? What the fuck!? I mean she's only 8.....wouldn't that hurt like hell!? Oh god......*smacks forehead* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Danny Dubya v 2.0 Report post Posted February 8, 2004 Whoa whoa whoa. She enjoyed it!? She wanted to do it again!? What the fuck!? I mean she's only 8.....wouldn't that hurt like hell!? Oh god......*smacks forehead* It's very possible that she did enjoy the sex, but just as likely the molestor forced her to write the letter to her father. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest stardust Report post Posted February 8, 2004 Whoa whoa whoa. She enjoyed it!? She wanted to do it again!? What the fuck!? I mean she's only 8.....wouldn't that hurt like hell!? Oh god......*smacks forehead* It's very possible that she did enjoy the sex, but just as likely the molestor forced her to write the letter to her father. I'm pretty sure that letter was probably written to him, since they figured out it was the boyfriend that had done it, and apparently pretty quickly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest tSlater Report post Posted February 8, 2004 Whoa whoa whoa. She enjoyed it!? She wanted to do it again!? What the fuck!? I mean she's only 8.....wouldn't that hurt like hell!? Oh god......*smacks forehead* It's very possible that she did enjoy the sex, but just as likely the molestor forced her to write the letter to her father. hmmm let's stir things up a bit here, shall we? IF what the ketter suggests actually is true, and she did enjoy the sex... can it really be called "rape"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted February 8, 2004 Whoa whoa whoa. She enjoyed it!? She wanted to do it again!? What the fuck!? I mean she's only 8.....wouldn't that hurt like hell!? Oh god......*smacks forehead* Maybe he was on the small side. -=Mike ...Yes, this is evil. Figured I'd throw in a different thought Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Henry Spencer 0 Report post Posted February 8, 2004 It would still be considered statutory rape, so yes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted February 8, 2004 i really doubt she could actually enjoy it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest tSlater Report post Posted February 8, 2004 It would still be considered statutory rape, so yes. I'm not talking about legally, i'm speaking logically. Rape is unwanted sex and undesired sex, correct? So IF the girl enjoyed it, can you really call it rape? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Henry Spencer 0 Report post Posted February 8, 2004 Oh, well, then no, you couldn't really consider it rape. Just really, really fucked up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted February 8, 2004 I wonder if she'll have the baby or abort it. I'm guessing the parents will decide that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest tSlater Report post Posted February 8, 2004 Oh, well, then no, you couldn't really consider it rape. Just really, really fucked up. So, let's stir things up a little more. If it isn't rape, then what is so illegal about it? If a young girl actually desires sex with whomever, whether it be another boy of the same age or with somebody older, and let's assume the parents are okay with the idea, shouldn't it be legal? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted February 8, 2004 Uh-oh...this can't turn out good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest tSlater Report post Posted February 8, 2004 Uh-oh...this can't turn out good. What can I say, I enjoy discussing controversial issues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted February 8, 2004 I wonder if she'll have the baby or abort it. I'm guessing the parents will decide that. The girl's mother, a Fort Greene resident, contacted police, and tests showed that her daughter was 15 weeks pregnant. At the mother's request, an abortion was performed and police arrested Drayton two weeks later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted February 8, 2004 Oh, well, then no, you couldn't really consider it rape. Just really, really fucked up. So, let's stir things up a little more. If it isn't rape, then what is so illegal about it? If a young girl actually desires sex with whomever, whether it be another boy of the same age or with somebody older, and let's assume the parents are okay with the idea, shouldn't it be legal? between this...and that sig pic... i think we might hav ourselves a pedophile on the loose at TSM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted February 8, 2004 Yeah that sig pic is disturbing me......especially when my mother is walking through the room......between that and DrTom's avatar I have to be careful at home. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Danny Dubya v 2.0 Report post Posted February 8, 2004 Yeah that sig pic is disturbing me......especially when my mother is walking through the room......between that and DrTom's avatar I have to be careful at home. Eh, does nothing for me in either way. I didn't really notice it until you guys brought it up in this thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest tSlater Report post Posted February 8, 2004 Yeah that sig pic is disturbing me......especially when my mother is walking through the room......between that and DrTom's avatar I have to be careful at home. I apologise. I chose that sigpic merely for it's purpose of getting people to think "wtf" and it's worked quite nicely. I think its served its purpose by now. I'll change it so you don't feel so insecure browsing the board. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest stardust Report post Posted February 8, 2004 Oh, well, then no, you couldn't really consider it rape. Just really, really fucked up. So, let's stir things up a little more. If it isn't rape, then what is so illegal about it? If a young girl actually desires sex with whomever, whether it be another boy of the same age or with somebody older, and let's assume the parents are okay with the idea, shouldn't it be legal? The problem with this is that she's EIGHT YEARS OLD. At that age, even if you do happen to know what sex is, I highly doubt you're capable of wanting it or being able to recognize wanting it. And I'm guessing it wasn't the sex that she liked--she probably thought the guy was being affectionate and showing his love for her, and that was what she enjoyed--the attention. Hell, the girl said "Daddy...I want to marry you." Clearly she doesn't completely understand what happened or how things work if she's calling the guy Daddy and saying she wants to marry him. And despite that letter saying she enjoyed it, it's still rape, IMO. A grown man completely took advantage of an eight year old girl, had sex with her, and impregnated her (and I knew girls were starting their periods younger and younger these days, but I didn't realize they were starting that young), and she's clearly too young to completely understand just what happened to her. Calling it rape or molestation or statutory rape is just a matter of symantics, but when you look at the real issue, it was just wrong and years from now, when this little girl is older and can fully comprehend what happened to her, she's gonna have some scars and some issues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest tSlater Report post Posted February 8, 2004 But could it be that those "scars" and "issues" are really caused by the bad social stigma society attaches to such an event? Anyway, you made some good points. Now what if the girl in question wasn't 8 years old but was instead 13 or 14 years old? Surely a girl of that age understands it as she would have already gone through sexual education classes. At that age, most boys have already started looking at pornographic materials. So what about an age of 13 and 14? Should it be legal then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted February 8, 2004 R. Kelly certainly wishes it was legal at the age of 13 and 14. It's a very touchy issue since in early times, 12-15 was considered a marrying age. But this guy...this guy was screwed up and the girl was too damn young to know in this situation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites