Guest wildpegasus Report post Posted February 15, 2004 Raw got a 3.8 rating this week with hours of 3.7 and 3.8 respectively. The highest rating segment was the contract signing which got a 4.2 Looks like Benoit/HHH beat the overrun which is impressive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 What was the overrun? Was it Ortonamania running mild? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 yeah, he beat RVD and Booker in a Triple Threat match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted February 15, 2004 Somehow I wouldn't find it hard to believe the over-run didn't get highest rating. Even I turned it off so I could watch the Simpsons, lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 Raw got a 3.8 rating this week with hours of 3.7 and 3.8 respectively. The highest rating segment was the contract signing which got a 4.2 Looks like Benoit/HHH beat the overrun which is impressive. And yet we still question the idea of having these three as the Wrestlemania ME? Sounds like the fans want to see this match to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 What was the overrun? Was it Ortonamania running mild? I see a pattern, Overrun and Orton don't agree with each other. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 Raw got a 3.8 rating this week with hours of 3.7 and 3.8 respectively. The highest rating segment was the contract signing which got a 4.2 Looks like Benoit/HHH beat the overrun which is impressive. And yet we still question the idea of having these three as the Wrestlemania ME? Sounds like the fans want to see this match to me. stupidest thing Ive read today... HBK wasnt scheduled to be involved...just shows up and mooches onto a HHH vs. Benoit contract segment. How does that show the audience is interested in HBK-Benoit-HHH? The crowd seemed to die just a bit as it dragged along, and ratings went down after the contract swerve. You really need to give 'thought' a try there duder Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 What was the overrun? Was it Ortonamania running mild? I see a pattern, Overrun and Orton don't agree with each other. Orton doesnt seem to agree with much...the audience included. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 Raw got a 3.8 rating this week with hours of 3.7 and 3.8 respectively. The highest rating segment was the contract signing which got a 4.2 Looks like Benoit/HHH beat the overrun which is impressive. And yet we still question the idea of having these three as the Wrestlemania ME? Sounds like the fans want to see this match to me. stupidest thing Ive read today... HBK wasnt scheduled to be involved...just shows up and mooches onto a HHH vs. Benoit contract segment. How does that show the audience is interested in HBK-Benoit-HHH? The crowd seemed to die just a bit as it dragged along, and ratings went down after the contract swerve. You really need to give 'thought' a try there duder If most fans were not interested, there's a strong chance they'd have changed the channel when HBK showed up, thus decreasing the numbers. Instead, they stayed tuned because they wanted to see how HBK would become involved. The ratings went down after the contract swerve becasue the show broke for commercial. If you're trying to disprove my theory, perhaps YOU should more thought into it, "duder". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 Raw got a 3.8 rating this week with hours of 3.7 and 3.8 respectively. The highest rating segment was the contract signing which got a 4.2 Looks like Benoit/HHH beat the overrun which is impressive. And yet we still question the idea of having these three as the Wrestlemania ME? Sounds like the fans want to see this match to me. stupidest thing Ive read today... HBK wasnt scheduled to be involved...just shows up and mooches onto a HHH vs. Benoit contract segment. How does that show the audience is interested in HBK-Benoit-HHH? The crowd seemed to die just a bit as it dragged along, and ratings went down after the contract swerve. You really need to give 'thought' a try there duder If most fans were not interested, there's a strong chance they'd have changed the channel when HBK showed up, thus decreasing the numbers. Instead, they stayed tuned because they wanted to see how HBK would become involved. The ratings went down after the contract swerve becasue the show broke for commercial. If you're trying to disprove my theory, perhaps YOU should more thought into it, "duder". HBK was there for the last few minutes of a 15 minute segment. The ratings dont reflect by the minute or what happened exactly when HBK arrived. All this shows is that a HHH-Benoit contract signing which was heavilly promoted and no mention of HBK had ever been made prior drew a big rating. HBK means nothing to the rating...this isnt really that hard...is it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted February 15, 2004 Raw got a 3.8 rating this week with hours of 3.7 and 3.8 respectively. The highest rating segment was the contract signing which got a 4.2 Looks like Benoit/HHH beat the overrun which is impressive. And yet we still question the idea of having these three as the Wrestlemania ME? Sounds like the fans want to see this match to me. stupidest thing Ive read today... HBK wasnt scheduled to be involved...just shows up and mooches onto a HHH vs. Benoit contract segment. How does that show the audience is interested in HBK-Benoit-HHH? The crowd seemed to die just a bit as it dragged along, and ratings went down after the contract swerve. You really need to give 'thought' a try there duder No, if the segment drew it's because of the tension between HBK and Benoit that's been pushed for the last two weeks. And don't forget HHH's awesome heel promo that carried through most of the segment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 No, if the segment drew it's because of the tension between HBK and Benoit that's been pushed for the last two weeks. And don't forget HHH's awesome heel promo that carried through most of the segment. I disagree...there hadnt been very much tension between Shawn and Benoit really, just a weird handshake and stuff. Nothing that built to HBK coming out and hitting his superkick. And it was always promoted as HHH-Benoit signing...I never heard any HBK teases, though Ive only been watching Raw the last few weeks and still no Heat/other shows. Yeah...that was a very good heel promo...until he kept going about 5 minutes too long. A heel doing ALL the talking and the face saying nothing is not good wrestling business. I know Hunters a better speaker than Benoit but there is no excuse for Benoit to be COMPLETELY silent while HHH talks for over 10 minutes. If he cuts it off about 3-5 mins earlier and lets Benoit say a sentence or two...I would call it a classic promo, on par with vintage Ric Flair. As it was, it was very good but long. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 Raw got a 3.8 rating this week with hours of 3.7 and 3.8 respectively. The highest rating segment was the contract signing which got a 4.2 Looks like Benoit/HHH beat the overrun which is impressive. And yet we still question the idea of having these three as the Wrestlemania ME? Sounds like the fans want to see this match to me. stupidest thing Ive read today... HBK wasnt scheduled to be involved...just shows up and mooches onto a HHH vs. Benoit contract segment. How does that show the audience is interested in HBK-Benoit-HHH? The crowd seemed to die just a bit as it dragged along, and ratings went down after the contract swerve. You really need to give 'thought' a try there duder If most fans were not interested, there's a strong chance they'd have changed the channel when HBK showed up, thus decreasing the numbers. Instead, they stayed tuned because they wanted to see how HBK would become involved. The ratings went down after the contract swerve becasue the show broke for commercial. If you're trying to disprove my theory, perhaps YOU should more thought into it, "duder". HBK was there for the last few minutes of a 15 minute segment. The ratings dont reflect by the minute or what happened exactly when HBK arrived. All this shows is that a HHH-Benoit contract signing which was heavilly promoted and no mention of HBK had ever been made prior drew a big rating. HBK means nothing to the rating...this isnt really that hard...is it? You're saying HBK had no impact on the ratings because no one knew HBK might get involved in the contract signing? What about the two weeks of foreshadowing that suggested that HBK was getting involved in HBK/Benoit? Are you going to completely dismiss that, too? Your claim that HBK being there killed the crowd is not based on anything but your own faulty memories/imagination. HBK wasin the segment for over four minutes. The live crowd reacted loudly to HBK kicking Benoit, and the crowd was ON THEIR FEET for the entire time HBK was in the ring. I'll repeat: THE LIVE CROWD WAS ON THEIR FEET THE ENTIRE TIME HBK WAS IN THE RING. So, let's look at all the evidence so far: -the segment drew the highest rating of the night (4.2). -the segment had the live crowd on their feet, including the entire time HBK was in the ring. -HBK was in the ring for 4 full minutes of a 15 minute segment. -the crowd reacted loudly (they booed) when HBK kicked Benoit. -the show had been foreshadowing HBK getting involved with Benoit and HHH for two weeks. Do you still think my argument has no merit whatsoever? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted February 15, 2004 No, if the segment drew it's because of the tension between HBK and Benoit that's been pushed for the last two weeks. And don't forget HHH's awesome heel promo that carried through most of the segment. I disagree...there hadnt been very much tension between Shawn and Benoit really, just a weird handshake and stuff. Nothing that built to HBK coming out and hitting his superkick. And it was always promoted as HHH-Benoit signing...I never heard any HBK teases, though Ive only been watching Raw the last few weeks and still no Heat/other shows. Yeah...that was a very good heel promo...until he kept going about 5 minutes too long. A heel doing ALL the talking and the face saying nothing is not good wrestling business. I know Hunters a better speaker than Benoit but there is no excuse for Benoit to be COMPLETELY silent while HHH talks for over 10 minutes. If he cuts it off about 3-5 mins earlier and lets Benoit say a sentence or two...I would call it a classic promo, on par with vintage Ric Flair. As it was, it was very good but long. Austin talking to HBK (I felt) was a very clear forshadowing of HBK getting involved with Benoit's title shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted February 15, 2004 Austin talking to HBK (I felt) was a very clear forshadowing of HBK getting involved with Benoit's title shot. Exactly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted February 16, 2004 Hmmm... As I said, Ive only watched Raw the last 3 weeks, since Benoit won the Rumble. I didnt feel like I saw anything that really sold HBK as a gurantee for the signing. To me it seemed like it was booked as 'HHH-Benoit, with the outside possibility of a Shawn appearance. Maybe I missed something. And the crowd didnt seem like it any different for Shawn than they were Benoit. Seemed to be about the same pops and reactions. I dont think any really showed there to be any real interest in a HBK v HHH v Benoit match. Then again, I dont really fucking care, I just want to see WMXX end with Benoit holding up the belt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted February 16, 2004 Then again, I dont really fucking care, I just want to see WMXX end with Benoit holding up the belt. I think that's something we can agree on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted February 16, 2004 Then again, I dont really fucking care, I just want to see WMXX end with Benoit holding up the belt. I think that's something we can agree on. ...do you plan to order WMXX? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Use Your Illusion 0 Report post Posted February 16, 2004 Raw got a 3.8 rating this week with hours of 3.7 and 3.8 respectively. The highest rating segment was the contract signing which got a 4.2 Looks like Benoit/HHH beat the overrun which is impressive. And yet we still question the idea of having these three as the Wrestlemania ME? Sounds like the fans want to see this match to me. stupidest thing Ive read today... HBK wasnt scheduled to be involved...just shows up and mooches onto a HHH vs. Benoit contract segment. How does that show the audience is interested in HBK-Benoit-HHH? The crowd seemed to die just a bit as it dragged along, and ratings went down after the contract swerve. You really need to give 'thought' a try there duder No, if the segment drew it's because of the tension between HBK and Benoit that's been pushed for the last two weeks. And don't forget HHH's awesome heel promo that carried through most of the segment. That promo hasn't recieved the credit it rightfully deserves. That was easily the best promo I've heard this year, if not in the past 6 months. Really, really awesome. UYI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted February 16, 2004 Then again, I dont really fucking care, I just want to see WMXX end with Benoit holding up the belt. I think that's something we can agree on. ...do you plan to order WMXX? Absolutely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted February 16, 2004 HHH's promo was nowhere near Foley's promo. Not even close. Segment ratings are too hard to judge - too many variables -, as are singular nightly ratings. Rating patterns over a 3 month span are the best indicators of success. What am I saying here? I wouldn't hang my hat on this number. Though, I find it funny that -historically- HHH and HBK haven't exactly been setting the world afire when it comes to ratings and buyrates. Benoit, on the other hand, has an surprisingly good record when he gets pushed in a top spot... Food for thought. I'm also a Benoit mark, so maybe I'm just looking in that direction Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted February 16, 2004 I'm also a Benoit mark, so maybe I'm just looking in that direction Well, at least you were right ONCE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted February 16, 2004 You're saying that Foley's promo _wasn't_ better than HHH's? Despite it showing more emotion, coming off less cliched, and actually enhancing the story of Foley/Orton as well as each of their characters?? You're saying that segment ratings are a precise way to judge who's watching what and why? And that a pattern isn't? Wait, you're not saying ANYTHING here worth considering, who am I kidding? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted February 16, 2004 You're saying that Foley's promo _wasn't_ better than HHH's? Despite it showing more emotion, coming off less cliched, and actually enhancing the story of Foley/Orton as well as each of their characters?? You're saying that segment ratings are a precise way to judge who's watching what and why? And that a pattern isn't? Wait, you're not saying ANYTHING here worth considering, who am I kidding? No, I'm saying it wasn't LEAGUES better. HHH's promo saw him for the first time since before the quad tear, play a REAL, legitimate, mindgame with his adversary. Most promos that length make me channel-surf, but this one held my attention. Did I like Foley's too? Yes. Did I think Foley's was better? Slightly. You need to understand that certain things are subjective, Rudo. Sometimes people aren't just going to see things your way. I also think that crediting Benoit with a sgement HHH carried on the mic is foolish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted February 16, 2004 No, I'm saying it wasn't LEAGUES better. HHH's promo saw him for the first time since before the quad tear, play a REAL, legitimate, mindgame with his adversary. Most promos that length make me channel-surf, but this one held my attention. Yes, but you're also a HHH mark. I copped to being a Benoit mark, so c'mon, let's be fair. It was a good promo, HHH sold it well, it wasn't nearly as good as Foleys as Foley did much more with the time he was given. HHH's promo was also very predictable and made Benoit look bad. Foley's promo made Orton look bad, but it wasn't at a time when Orton needed to look good. They had that already. With Benoit, they haven't. It also repeated *a lot* of what Benoit said last year, almost word-for-word. You need to understand that certain things are subjective, Rudo. Sometimes people aren't just going to see things your way. *I* need to understand that? I also think that crediting Benoit with a sgement HHH carried on the mic is foolish. I also think it's funny crediting HHH/HBK, since their feud has been going on a long time and they haven't exactly been breaking any records with their segments. I haven't credited Benoit with anything, btw, as I think segment ratings have too many variables effecting it. I just brought up Benoit's historical "success" when being brought up to the main event as not to make it unheard of that he could have had something to do with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest THE MIGHTY THOR Report post Posted February 16, 2004 What was the overrun? Was it Ortonamania running mild? I see a pattern, Overrun and Orton don't agree with each other. But dead crowds and Orton do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
