Former Colorado Kicker Says She Was Raped

[Guest ToddRoyal]

Colorado suspended Barnett (with Pay) this morning for the comments about Hnida, saying they were insensitive and inappropriate. To say the least.

[Mole 0]

You see, this is exactly the reason no one respects the WNBA...[/familyguy]

Classic.

[cabbageboy 0]

I don't necessarily blame Barnett for not wanting a female kicker. I remember at one time during the horrid Ron Cooper Era at U of L we had a female kicker who was a backup. On the last game of the season people whined because she didn't get in the game (it was a blowout), and all that crap. Unless you have the female Mike Vanderjagt there's really no reason to bother with a female kicker. All it can do is cause problems.

 

That said, Barnett was a moron for saying all this to the media, especially at this point in time. My jaw damn near dropped. It's safe to say he'll be gone in a month's time.

[2GOLD 0]

I still think the NCAA needs to step up and SMU the program.

 

This is sick and disgusting and this program needs to be slaughtered for it.

[Drury37 0]

This makes three reasons why Colorado is one my most strongly disliked teams and the other two are the 5th Down and the make believe holding call on Notre Dame when The Rocket ran the kick off back for a touchdown late in the 1991 Orange Bowl which would have made Notre Dame Co-National Champions so yeah I really do not like Colorado!!!

Thanks.

[Art Sandusky 0]

I think it was rather stupid of ESPN to show a clip of her practicing her kicking during their segment...

 

... and showing a kick she misses.

[geniusMoment 0]

She could be my tightend anyday.

[Damaramu 0]

What happened with SMU? Did they get kicked out of the conference? Big XII becomes Big XI?

 

Oh and now Barnett is on TV saying that his quotes were taken out of context. Now he's trying to cover his ass b/c he realizes he fucked up.

[CanadianChris 0]

What happened with SMU? Did they get kicked out of the conference? Big XII becomes Big XI?

Yeesh. He was talking about when SMU football got the death penalty in the mid 80s.

[nl5xsk1 0]

What happened with SMU? Did they get kicked out of the conference? Big XII becomes Big XI?

Yeesh. He was talking about when SMU football got the death penalty in the mid 80s.

Exactly, SMU was given the death penalty in 1987, and literally had to disband for a year (I think it was just a year, maybe 2 - I want to say just one, b/c I think 1989 was their first year back).

 

I can see the NCAA limiting scholarships or making CU ineligible to appear in a Bowl game, or at most not allowing them on TV. But there's no way that they're going to issue the death penalty for this.

[Damaramu 0]

What happened with SMU? Did they get kicked out of the conference? Big XII becomes Big XI?

Yeesh. He was talking about when SMU football got the death penalty in the mid 80s.

It did?

Remember I'm new to this and so I'm not boned up on my history. I wish my college had a history of sports.....that'd rule.

Someone fill me in.

[nl5xsk1 0]

What happened with SMU? Did they get kicked out of the conference? Big XII becomes Big XI?

Yeesh. He was talking about when SMU football got the death penalty in the mid 80s.

It did?

Remember I'm new to this and so I'm not boned up on my history. I wish my college had a history of sports.....that'd rule.

Someone fill me in.

Damaramu, check out this link (ironically, about OU) ... it details quite a bit about the SMU case: http://www.ccchronicle.com/back/2001-01-16/sports7.html

[sfaJack 0]

But there's no way that they're going to issue the death penalty for this.

The NCAA has said that they will probably never issue the death penalty to any school again because of the severe damage it does to both the institution and their athletic program as a whole.

 

A serious set of sanctions for CU is likely, probably a reduction in scholarships and a postseason ban for starters, but you're right - no way do they get the death penalty.

[Art Sandusky 0]

Even in light of the use of escort services and strippers for recruiting purposes for 20 years? What if the players are convicted and it was found out that the athletic department was covering it all up the whole time?

 

CU should feel lucky that they don't have as much to lose as SMU did. They were on top of the world when they got the death penalty.

 

(cries for the death of the team named the Mustangs)

[sfaJack 0]

Think of it this way, Kotz: the death penalty does nothing to punish those that actually committed the sins, so to speak. All it does is punish the new coaching/administrative regime by handcuffing them entirely when it comes to competing on the field. That's unfair to both them and the future set of players. Not to mention the athletes of the other athletic programs, many of whose existence relies heavily on revenues generated by the football team.

 

SMU is STILL feeling the effects of the death penalty after all these years: their football teams have been shit for the most part since then, and you can probably trace it to the fact they became uncompetitive because of the death penalty.

 

Obviously, we don't know the full extent of what is/was going on at CU, but for now it looks like that other than losing their jobs and the possibility of never coaching again, Gary Barnett and Friends won't be feeling the effects of this down the road. The CU program, however, if it got the death penalty, would probably be unfairly punished for many, many years.

 

It's just too harsh of a punishment.

 

Now, if it turns out that the administration and the athletic department were covering it all up for 20+ years, well, I think I'd probably look the other way if they got the death penalty.

[2GOLD 0]

I'm sorry, but the school claiming they knew nothing about this is bs and if all they get for their actions is lose of some scholarships, then it's a crying shame.

 

SMU used money to get players, Colorado literally seems to have offered up it's female body to the recruits whether they were willing or not. If that is not worse than giving money and doesn't deserve the death penatly then I don't know what does.

 

To say Colorado would be unfairly punished is a joke. SMU knew what the football program was doing and they had to pay for that sin. The school HAD to know, I'm sorry but no way did Colorado have no idea what was going on with the football program. It's literally a mess and Colorado has been shady before with their actions.

 

SMU may not have deserved the death sentence but Colorado does.

 

I'm sorry, this is beyond sick and worse than anything SMU, ALABAMA or any other football program has done.

[Damaramu 0]

What exactly is the death penalty?

 

Well when they asked him if she was a good player he should've said "That has nothing to do with the issue at hand and doesn't matter" instead of going on his tangent. Who taught this guy to talk to the media!?

 

Oh and I'm now hearing rumors that they might not even play Football next season. What does that do to the teams who were supposed to face them? What does that do to the Big XII?

[2GOLD 0]

What exactly is the death penalty?

 

Well when they asked him if she was a good player he should've said "That has nothing to do with the issue at hand and doesn't matter" instead of going on his tangent. Who taught this guy to talk to the media!?

 

Oh and I'm now hearing rumors that they might not even play Football next season. What does that do to the teams who were supposed to face them? What does that do to the Big XII?

 

Essentially, the NCAA closes a program down for a year, or in the case of SMU it was three years. They can't scrimmage, they can't appear on TV, they are just dead.

 

Scholarships for that year are gone, most of the players you recruited know they can't win or even play so they leave. And other recruits won't come cause they know you'll be on probation with no bowl hope or tv time.

 

Your program dies.

 

And if you ask me, here is what they should do to Colorado.

 

#1: Kick them out of the Big 12. Replace them with an independent in the area since once two and three happens, they would only hurt the conference.

 

#2: NCAA imposes the death sentence on Colorado; ordering no practices or team scrimmages are allowed and total loss of football scholarships for the upcoming season. Since the program has been shady for the last three coaches it tells me it's the school and not the coaching staff.

 

#3: Severe scholarship sanctions for the next three season after they return. By severe I mean they make the Alabama restrictions look light and nice.

 

 

Yes, I know what this does. It kills football in Colorado. And you know what? I don't care. Colorado is literally DARING the NCAA to touch them, daring the NCAA to lift a finger. They aren't scared of an Auburn punishment or an Alabama punishment since that wounds your program but don't kill it.

 

I say, that Colorado football pays and pays the ultimate price. Kill it dead. Hell, give them the ultimate smack in the mouth and invite COLORADO STATE to take their place in the Big 12.

 

Colorado has skated by with just firing the last three coaches and you know what? It's the school and if the NCAA does NOTHING to them or barely touches then they lose the little authority they had in college football. People already think the NCAA is a joke and if they just slap Colorado on the wrist, they will look weak, gullible and stupid.

 

The death penalty is extreme but these actions and the last incidents at this program deserve the full brutal shot of the NCAA. Load the gun and pull the trigger.

[Damaramu 0]

Well doesn't the conference extend beyond just Football? I mean all the other sports are considered Big XII sports.

Plus the colleges are referred to by their conference.

Like when talking about tuition I heard "OU is the cheapest Big XII school tuition wise."

So doesn't the conference extend beyond just football? Can they kick the entire school out of the conference b/c of the football program?

 

If they do stick around are those bastards playing KSU? If KSU could beat OU by 35 points imagine what they could do to CU.

[Guest Choken One]

You can take a team out of the Football conference and replace it with a nearby Independent or team willing to change conference...The Basketball Program isn't shady, So It can stay there for all I care.

[Damaramu 0]

You can take a team out of the Football conference and replace it with a nearby Independent or team willing to change conference...The Basketball Program isn't shady, So It can stay there for all I care.

But I think all teams have to compete in the conference. I mean you couldn't have a Big XII football team and an SEC basketball team.

[sfaJack 0]

And if you ask me, here is what they should do to Colorado.

 

#1: Kick them out of the Big 12. Replace them with an independent in the area since once two and three happens, they would only hurt the conference.

Oh, come on. Kick them out of the conference? That's too much, man. How is that fair to CU's OTHER athletic programs? You know, the ones that don't have all these heinous actions going on? You want to punish them, too? That's exactly what you'd be doing.

 

You're also forgetting that the NCAA hasn't got the authority to throw a team out of a conference - the other Big 12 schools would have to vote them out, and that probably wouldn't happen. The NCAA can suspend schools or reduce scholarships, but that's it.

 

As a bonus question: do you think that Baylor should be kicked out of the Big 12 because of what that piece of shit Dave Bliss did? That involved, you know, attempting to cover up a MURDER. It's worse than what's happened at Colorado. Nobody demanded they get thrown out of the Big 12 then; why should that happen to CU now?

 

#2: NCAA imposes the death sentence on Colorado; ordering no practices or  team scrimmages are allowed and total loss of football scholarships for the upcoming season. Since the program has been shady for the last three coaches it tells me it's the school and not the coaching staff.

And what evidence do you have that says it's "the school?" Sure, it may come out that some administration was involved with all of this, but until it does, you can't work on the assumption that they were.

 

And why do you just assume that it's the school? Gary Barnett is a known asshole, as is Rick Neuheisel (I forget who that third coach you're referring to is). Could it be that' they're just bad people? Is that not possible?

 

#3: Severe scholarship sanctions for the next three season after they return. By severe I mean they make the Alabama restrictions look light and nice.

I'm with you on this. Depending on how serious all this stuff turns out to be, the punishment should be swift and mighty. The worse it is, the worse the punishment. They won't get the death penalty, though. Mark it down - it ain't gonna happen.

 

Yes, I know what this does. It kills football in Colorado.

Yes, it would. For many years; all you have to do is look at SMU.

 

Colorado is literally DARING the NCAA to touch them, daring the NCAA to lift a finger. They aren't scared of an Auburn punishment or an Alabama punishment since that wounds your program but don't kill it.

I haven't seen or heard Gary Barnett or anyone else from CU say "Bring it on big boy!" in regards to the NCAA.

 

Hell, give them the ultimate smack in the mouth and invite COLORADO STATE to take their place in the Big 12.

Not gonna happen, for reasons I outlined above. Keep dreaming, though.

 

if the NCAA does NOTHING to them or barely touches then they lose the little authority they had in college football. People already think the NCAA is a joke and if they just slap Colorado on the wrist, they will look weak, gullible and stupid.

The NCAA is pretty limp-wristed and hypocritical at times. No argument there. And it would be a shame if they do nothing to CU. But they're NOT going to give the death penalty out; they said years ago that they'd never do that to any school again.

 

The death penalty is extreme but these actions and the last incidents at this program deserve the full brutal shot of the NCAA.

I hope you're not naive enough to think that Colorado is the first place that stuff like this has gone on or that it will be the last time.

[Slayer 0]

Essentially, the NCAA closes a program down for a year, or in the case of SMU it was three years.

To clear up the SMU case

 

The death penalty was only imposed on SMU for the 1987 season, but the school was devastated in so many areas (economics, recruiting, etc.) that they voluntarily remained shut down in the '88 season before returning in '89 (where they went 2-9)

[Damaramu 0]

Well of course CU isn't the only school nor the first school to do this. Do I think all teams do it? Nope......I don't even think 10 of them do it.

Should CU be let off b/c they're not the only ones? Hell no. They got caught.

[Slayer 0]

As someone who grew up in the midwest watching Big 8/12 football, all I have to say is...

 

Colorado sucks

 

First they win the luckiest (ref assisted) national title share ever by beating Missouri in five downs and with the questionable negation of Rocket Ismail's TD run

 

Then Neuheisel comes in and plays the dirty recruiter game, only to head off to Washington and leave CU holding the ball (pun intended). One need only look at his actions at CU and UW to know what a complete douchebag Neuheisel is.

 

And now Neuheisel's successor is running up his own shit pile with this

 

Too funny though

[Guest Choken One]

You can take a team out of the Football conference and replace it with a nearby Independent or team willing to change conference...The Basketball Program isn't shady, So It can stay there for all I care.

But I think all teams have to compete in the conference. I mean you couldn't have a Big XII football team and an SEC basketball team.

I'm not sure if that Is the case because I'm willing to bet minor sports like LaCrosse or Volleyball don't always play the same conferences as the Major Teams (football, Basketball etc)...

 

What's the closest Independent team in the BIGXII region? Navy? Norte Dame would be a HUGE coup but I don't see that happening ANYTIME. Troy St? Nah.

 

 

I could EASILY see this as a chance for Big12 to kick out Colorado and invite a better more competive school from a nearby conference to join...Perhaps a TCU (whose got a solid football program), Colorado State (to reall kick it to Colorado), or maybe North Texas can join and finally EARN that yearly Bowl bid they get every season by virtue of playing in the fucking sunbelt.

[lomasmoney 0]

The coach in question, the one before Neuheisal and Barnett was Bill McCartney, he just happens to be from my hometown, and I had his nephew as a sub in middle school and my brother has met him before at football camps and stuff since our town has a legacy for churning out D-1 coaches and shit

[2GOLD 0]

Three coaches

Three screw ups

 

I didn't call for this penalty for Alabama but I think this is time the NCAA puts up or shuts up forever.

 

And no, I'm not naive. I cover this crap and the NCAA lately has done nothing to try to clean up College football. They have sat back on their hands and it's time they start using the loaded gun again.

 

I'm not the only person calling for this on Colorado. I know the NCAA won't do it, but they should. They won't, they'll just hand them maybe a year or two of probation with a loss of scholarship and they'll just let business continue as usual.

[2GOLD 0]

You can take a team out of the Football conference and replace it with a nearby Independent or team willing to change conference...The Basketball Program isn't shady, So It can stay there for all I care.

But I think all teams have to compete in the conference. I mean you couldn't have a Big XII football team and an SEC basketball team.

 

Tell that to UCONN, the football team is not in the Big East but the Basketball team is. Or Temple, whose Football team IS in the Big East but the basketball team is in the A-10. It's rarely done but it can be done.

 

Colorado's football team can be kicked out of the Big 12 and the basketball can stay.

[Damaramu 0]

You can take a team out of the Football conference and replace it with a nearby Independent or team willing to change conference...The Basketball Program isn't shady, So It can stay there for all I care.

But I think all teams have to compete in the conference. I mean you couldn't have a Big XII football team and an SEC basketball team.

I'm not sure if that Is the case because I'm willing to bet minor sports like LaCrosse or Volleyball don't always play the same conferences as the Major Teams (football, Basketball etc)...

 

What's the closest Independent team in the BIGXII region? Navy? Norte Dame would be a HUGE coup but I don't see that happening ANYTIME. Troy St? Nah.

 

 

I could EASILY see this as a chance for Big12 to kick out Colorado and invite a better more competive school from a nearby conference to join...Perhaps a TCU (whose got a solid football program), Colorado State (to reall kick it to Colorado), or maybe North Texas can join and finally EARN that yearly Bowl bid they get every season by virtue of playing in the fucking sunbelt.

Yeah I guess that could work. But all those teams you just named I don't think could compete with the best the Big XII has to offer. If they add someone new they should add a team that can shake things up and challenge those that rule the Big XII. Someone that can challenge Oklahoma, Texas, and Kansas State.