bin Laden surrounded?

[Guest Crazy Dan]

Just for the sake of argument, I think Bin Laden is guilty, and should face the music, but do it front of a jury. He should recieve a fair trial. If to show the world that regardless of your crime, you are innocent until proven guitly. Even though I don't see the jury being "hung" on this trial. Bin Laden will end up dead eventually, but to show the world that the US is better than these killers, he must be tried legit, and then executed. Our justice sytem to the core is founded on "Innocent until proven guilty", and we must not forget that. If we show the world that we practice what we preach in this case, it helps our cause. And I am against the Death Penalty, but in this case I won't raise to much of a fuss .

 

And as for the detainees in Cuba. I doubt that there conditions are horrible by no means. Does it suck to be in that situation? Yes, of course it does. Prison sucks. And the detainees are in a prison-type situation. But, my guess it could be a whole lot worse than it could be. And I heard that they are fed and allowed to pray to Mecca, so it really could be more nasty, but still, I would never want to be detained there. Go USA.

 

But, I don't know if I am ok with detaining someone for a long period of time, without charging them with a crime. It just reeks a little of what some bad dictator's government would do. Am I comparing the US to a party like the Facissts? No, but the act resembles something "Un-American", to me. I realize that what we are against will end changing many rules in how we fight wars (a sidenote: Does anyone get shivers when you hear that some high ranking officials in our government want to develope bunker buster nukes? I am sorry, but no matter what anyone says or reasons, the nukes we dropped on Japan to end WWII is proof enough to me that nukes are not a good thing, no matter how big ro small, but I digress), But we shouldn't be willing to change everything and lose more things in order to do it. Due Process is a good aspect, getting the detainees either charged or proven innocent, adds credibility to our cause.

[Vyce 0]

No, the taped statements don't cut it for me. Whilst I AM leaning towards the notion that Bin Laden was behind 9/11 i'm also fully aware that it's not beyond the Bush administration to alter/fabricate evidence to suit their needs.

 

Alright then, genius, if they fabricated the evidence, wouldn't it have made more sense for them to pin it all on Saddam Hussein, as that's who they wanted to get from the beginning?

 

You can't go around killing people because you think they are a terrorist.

 

1) People are not being killed there - as you yourself have stated.....be consistent.

 

2) News flash - we KNOW that some of them (most of them, probably) ARE terrorists. They're not all a bunch of Arabs we pulled from a convenience store here in America - a lot of them HAVE taken up arms against our country, not in a figurative sense, but LITERALLY.

 

On the subject of people commiting war crimes, Sharon, Bush and Blair should really be investigated.

 

You're just a fucking moron.

 

Thank god people like you weren't the majority back during WW2.

 

Sent to a camp. Sent there for no real reason except hate, kept there in appalling conditions, without charge or any signs of being charged or a trial.

 

Lord, save me from this man.

 

I find it utterly inconceivable that any rational human being can think the way you do in spite of the fact that the others here have quite well shown that you're WRONG about Gitmo on just about every level.

 

disliking what the Israeli government is doing does not make me anti-semetic

 

A great deal of anti-semitism these days is masked as mere 'criticism' of Israel and her policies.

 

The most disturbing thing is that there are kids in there too.

 

There ARE such things as child soldiers, you know. Islamic terrorist groups don't exactly have age limits on recruitment.

 

MOST Palestinian suicide bombers are young people in their teens or twenties.

 

Even if one innocent man (or boy) is in there it's one too many.

 

I get on my knees every night and thank God that there are enough strong men in the world to protect the spineless ones like you.

[Guest MikeSC]

Just for the sake of argument, I think Bin Laden is guilty, and should face the music, but do it front of a jury.  He should recieve a fair trial.  If to show the world that regardless of your crime, you are innocent until proven guitly.  Even though I don't see the jury being "hung" on this trial.  Bin Laden will end up dead eventually, but to show the world that the US is better than these killers, he must be tried legit, and then executed.  Our justice sytem to the core is founded on "Innocent until proven guilty", and we must not forget that.  If we show the world that we practice what we preach in this case, it helps our cause.  And I am against the Death Penalty, but in this case I won't raise to much of a fuss  .

Who would try him?

 

If WE did and he was found guilty, it'd be called a "show trial" by those who oppose us.

 

If the int'l community tries him, he will likely be acquitted as too many in the world are spineless jellyfish and hate countries that show them how spineless they are.

 

And, please, don't use the Nuremberg Trials as a good example of this kind of thing as they are, in reality, a HORRIBLE example of jurisprudence. The correct verdict was reached, but how it was reached was horrible (tyrant being tried by his victims doesn't equal fair trial --- and why did the Soviets get no heat as they, likely, committed some pretty respectable atrocities).

And as for the detainees in Cuba.  I doubt that there conditions are horrible by no means.  Does it suck to be in that situation?  Yes, of course it does.  Prison sucks.  And the detainees are in a prison-type situation.  But, my guess it could be a whole lot worse than it could be.  And I heard that they are fed and allowed to pray to Mecca, so it really could be more nasty, but still, I would never want to be detained there.  Go USA.

 

But, I don't know if I am ok with detaining someone for a long period of time, without charging them with a crime.  It just reeks a little of what some bad dictator's government would do.  Am I comparing the US to a party like the Facissts?  No, but the act resembles something "Un-American", to me.

They are people caught fighting against us. They have no country they represent, so what we can do with them is questionable. We can't send them back where we found them because many of them WEREN'T FROM THERE at all.

I realize that what we are against will end changing many rules in how we fight wars (a sidenote: Does anyone get shivers when you hear that some high ranking officials in our government want to develope bunker buster nukes?  I am sorry, but no matter what anyone says or reasons, the nukes we dropped on Japan to end WWII is proof enough to me that nukes are not a good thing, no matter how big ro small, but I digress),  But we shouldn't be willing to change everything and lose more things in order to do it.  Due Process is a good aspect, getting the detainees either charged or proven innocent, adds credibility to our cause.

"Due process" is a right of American citizens. Many other countries do things to their prisoners that would make us blush.

 

I say we keep them in the worst conditions allowed --- but we're too nice to do that.

-=Mike

[Guest Frank_Nabbit]

Iranian Radio Reports Bin Laden Captured

Sat Feb 28, 6:02 AM ET

 

 

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran's state radio, quoting an unnamed source, said Saturday that Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) was captured in Pakistan "a long time ago." A Pakistan army spokesman denied he was captured.

 

 

The report said that U.S. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's visit to the region this week was in connection with the arrest.

 

 

The state radio said a reporter for its Pushtun service in the northwestern Pakistani city of Peshawar "confirmed the news" that bin Laden had been captured in a tribal region in Pakistan. He said the news was from "a very reliable source in Peshawar, Pakistan," but the source was not identified.

 

 

Pakistani Army spokesman Gen. Shaukat Sultan told The Associated Press that the report is completely untrue. "That information is wrong," he said.

 

 

A Pakistani military operation has been under way in the border region between Pakistan and Afghanistan (news - web sites) and a Pakistani official said previously that members of al-Qaida are being sought there, although bin laden was not a specific target.

 

 

Iranian state radio quoted its reporter as saying the arrest happened a long time ago.

 

 

"Osama bin Laden has been arrested a long time ago, but Bush is intending to use it for propaganda maneuvering in the presidential election," he said.

 

 

Homayoun Jarir, son-in-law of Afghan warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, said he could not confirm the report.

 

 

Shamim Shahed, the bureau chief for "The Nation," an English-language newspaper in Peshawar, was cited by the director of IRNA's Pashtun radio service as the source of the bin Laden report.

 

 

But Shahed denied in an AP interview ever telling the Iranian news service that bin Laden had been captured.

 

 

"I never said this, but I have for the last year been saying that he is not far away. He is within their (the Americans) reach, and they can declare him arrested anytime," Shahed said. He gave no evidence to back up that claim.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Consider the source.

 

Only one person here would believe the Iranian State Radio.

[Guest hunger4unger]

Iranian Radio Reports Bin Laden Captured

Sat Feb 28, 6:02 AM ET

 

 

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran's state radio, quoting an unnamed source, said Saturday that Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) was captured in Pakistan "a long time ago." A Pakistan army spokesman denied he was captured.

 

 

The report said that U.S. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's visit to the region this week was in connection with the arrest.

 

 

The state radio said a reporter for its Pushtun service in the northwestern Pakistani city of Peshawar "confirmed the news" that bin Laden had been captured in a tribal region in Pakistan. He said the news was from "a very reliable source in Peshawar, Pakistan," but the source was not identified.

 

 

Pakistani Army spokesman Gen. Shaukat Sultan told The Associated Press that the report is completely untrue. "That information is wrong," he said.

 

 

A Pakistani military operation has been under way in the border region between Pakistan and Afghanistan (news - web sites) and a Pakistani official said previously that members of al-Qaida are being sought there, although bin laden was not a specific target.

 

 

Iranian state radio quoted its reporter as saying the arrest happened a long time ago.

 

 

"Osama bin Laden has been arrested a long time ago, but Bush is intending to use it for propaganda maneuvering in the presidential election," he said.

 

 

Homayoun Jarir, son-in-law of Afghan warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, said he could not confirm the report.

 

 

Shamim Shahed, the bureau chief for "The Nation," an English-language newspaper in Peshawar, was cited by the director of IRNA's Pashtun radio service as the source of the bin Laden report.

 

 

But Shahed denied in an AP interview ever telling the Iranian news service that bin Laden had been captured.

 

 

"I never said this, but I have for the last year been saying that he is not far away. He is within their (the Americans) reach, and they can declare him arrested anytime," Shahed said. He gave no evidence to back up that claim.

I read about this in the Mail On Sunday earlier. Certainly interesting. I guess we'll see if in November Bin Laden is wheeled out.

[Guest MikeSC]

Iranian Radio Reports Bin Laden Captured   

Sat Feb 28, 6:02 AM ET 

 

 

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran's state radio, quoting an unnamed source, said Saturday that Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) was captured in Pakistan "a long time ago." A Pakistan army spokesman denied he was captured.

 

 

The report said that U.S. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's visit to the region this week was in connection with the arrest.

 

 

The state radio said a reporter for its Pushtun service in the northwestern Pakistani city of Peshawar "confirmed the news" that bin Laden had been captured in a tribal region in Pakistan. He said the news was from "a very reliable source in Peshawar, Pakistan," but the source was not identified.

 

 

Pakistani Army spokesman Gen. Shaukat Sultan told The Associated Press that the report is completely untrue. "That information is wrong," he said.

 

 

A Pakistani military operation has been under way in the border region between Pakistan and Afghanistan (news - web sites) and a Pakistani official said previously that members of al-Qaida are being sought there, although bin laden was not a specific target.

 

 

Iranian state radio quoted its reporter as saying the arrest happened a long time ago.

 

 

"Osama bin Laden has been arrested a long time ago, but Bush is intending to use it for propaganda maneuvering in the presidential election," he said.

 

 

Homayoun Jarir, son-in-law of Afghan warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, said he could not confirm the report.

 

 

Shamim Shahed, the bureau chief for "The Nation," an English-language newspaper in Peshawar, was cited by the director of IRNA's Pashtun radio service as the source of the bin Laden report.

 

 

But Shahed denied in an AP interview ever telling the Iranian news service that bin Laden had been captured.

 

 

"I never said this, but I have for the last year been saying that he is not far away. He is within their (the Americans) reach, and they can declare him arrested anytime," Shahed said. He gave no evidence to back up that claim.

I read about this in the Mail On Sunday earlier. Certainly interesting. I guess we'll see if in November Bin Laden is wheeled out.

OK, so if bin Laden is captured, it's a political ploy by Bush.

If he isn't, Bush is a failure.

 

Got it.

-=Mike

[EricMM 0]

Basically.

 

Unless you can think of something more insulting.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Bin Laden is Bush.

[Styles 0]

Bin Laden is Bush.

IT WAS ME AMERICA! IT WAS ME ALL ALONG!

JR: Son of a bitch...

[EricMM 0]

DNC: Of course... It's ... it's perfect...

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

YYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGH?

[lomasmoney 0]

If Bush wheels out Bin Laden in mid-October, then all of those wacky Sept. 11th conspiracy theorists will have a fucking field day

[Guest hunger4unger]

Iranian Radio Reports Bin Laden Captured   

Sat Feb 28, 6:02 AM ET 

 

 

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran's state radio, quoting an unnamed source, said Saturday that Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) was captured in Pakistan "a long time ago." A Pakistan army spokesman denied he was captured.

 

 

The report said that U.S. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's visit to the region this week was in connection with the arrest.

 

 

The state radio said a reporter for its Pushtun service in the northwestern Pakistani city of Peshawar "confirmed the news" that bin Laden had been captured in a tribal region in Pakistan. He said the news was from "a very reliable source in Peshawar, Pakistan," but the source was not identified.

 

 

Pakistani Army spokesman Gen. Shaukat Sultan told The Associated Press that the report is completely untrue. "That information is wrong," he said.

 

 

A Pakistani military operation has been under way in the border region between Pakistan and Afghanistan (news - web sites) and a Pakistani official said previously that members of al-Qaida are being sought there, although bin laden was not a specific target.

 

 

Iranian state radio quoted its reporter as saying the arrest happened a long time ago.

 

 

"Osama bin Laden has been arrested a long time ago, but Bush is intending to use it for propaganda maneuvering in the presidential election," he said.

 

 

Homayoun Jarir, son-in-law of Afghan warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, said he could not confirm the report.

 

 

Shamim Shahed, the bureau chief for "The Nation," an English-language newspaper in Peshawar, was cited by the director of IRNA's Pashtun radio service as the source of the bin Laden report.

 

 

But Shahed denied in an AP interview ever telling the Iranian news service that bin Laden had been captured.

 

 

"I never said this, but I have for the last year been saying that he is not far away. He is within their (the Americans) reach, and they can declare him arrested anytime," Shahed said. He gave no evidence to back up that claim.

I read about this in the Mail On Sunday earlier. Certainly interesting. I guess we'll see if in November Bin Laden is wheeled out.

OK, so if bin Laden is captured, it's a political ploy by Bush.

If he isn't, Bush is a failure.

 

Got it.

-=Mike

Not at all. It's the situation where Bin Laden is captured right now and Bush keep it hush hush until November in order to boost his election chances.

[EricMM 0]

Do you really think Bush would do that?

 

Is there anything (negative) you DON'T think he'd do?

[Guest hunger4unger]

I think he would do that yes.

 

There again, it's equally feasable that he will let Bin Laden roam free in order to maintain the constant threat of "terror attacks" he places on the American people.

[EricMM 0]

then you are truely so deluded that I fear it may be worthless debating this with you, or anything relatinv to Bush...

[Styles 0]

then you are truely so deluded that I fear it may be worthless debating this with you, or anything relatinv to Bush...

You're JUST realizing this?!

 

There again, it's equally feasable that he will let Bin Laden roam free in order to maintain the constant threat of "terror attacks" he places on the American people.

 

This guy would be a Lyndon Larouche supporter if he was American, wouldn't he?