Looking for date of Juventud Guerrera's dark match

[LucharesuFan619 0]

Juventud Guerrera had a memorable WWE dark match in I believe October or September 2002. It's memorable because he ignored most of what he was told and did a ton of spots, and thereby got on the company's sh*t list. I'm looking for the date of this match, who he wrestled, any info about it, for an article I'm writing. RajahWWF.com has an archived headline with like three sentences about it, but I can't find anything else. Thanks in advance.

[cawthon777 0]

Not a clue. I don't have it listed anywhere on my site.

[Downhome 0]

Juventud Guerrera had a memorable WWE dark match in I believe October or September 2002. It's memorable because he ignored most of what he was told and did a ton of spots, and thereby got on the company's sh*t list. I'm looking for the date of this match, who he wrestled, any info about it, for an article I'm writing. RajahWWF.com has an archived headline with like three sentences about it, but I can't find anything else. Thanks in advance.

Show: Smackdown

 

Taped date: 9/24/02

 

Opponent: Shannon Moore

 

All that I heard about it is that as soon as the match started, he stared wrestling double speed and hit all of his signatures as soon as he could in the time limit that the two guys had to work with.

[LucharesuFan619 0]

Not a clue. I don't have it listed anywhere on my site.

Yeah, I actually checked your site and didn't find it there, at which point I decided to ask.

 

Downhome, thank you very much. If you want me to add a "thanks to" mention in the article (when I post it) regarding you, PM me, cuz I'd be happy to do so.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

only Vince and co would want luchadors to slow things down.

[Lightning Flik 0]

Didn't also Shannon Moore end up in the dog house as he followed suit of Juvy's lead? I'm quite sure Moore ended up getting smacked for it as well.

[JHawk 0]

That wouldn't surprise me, Filk.

 

That whole situation pissed me off. I mean, Heaven forbid somebody who wanted to get a full-time job go to the ring and actually try to pop the crowd. We wouldn't want the crowd to be awake for the TV matches for anything.

[Lightning Flik 0]

That wouldn't surprise me, Filk.

 

That whole situation pissed me off.  I mean, Heaven forbid somebody who wanted to get a full-time job go to the ring and actually try to pop the crowd.  We wouldn't want the crowd to be awake for the TV matches for anything.

Awake? Geezus, lately, I can't even tell if it really is a real crowd there and not cardboard representations of a crowd with filler-in pop (since there isn't really a crowd there).

 

If I remember correctly what had happened was exactly that. Juvy told Moore that he wanted to put on a show instead of following the norm, and Moore gladly followed.

 

It was pretty much right after that, we heard about Juvy getting on the shit list and I remember Moore pretty much getting taken off of TV at that point (of what little TV time he got).

 

Edit: Can't believe I forgot to add my whole point to my post to your quote, JHawk. I'm getting lazy.

Edited February 28, 2004 by Lightning Flik

[Downhome 0]

Downhome, thank you very much. If you want me to add a "thanks to" mention in the article (when I post it) regarding you, PM me, cuz I'd be happy to do so.

You don't have to do that. I'm just glad that I could help you out. But whatever, it's your article, heh.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

Heaven forbid somebody who wanted to get a full-time job go to the ring and actually try to pop the crowd. We wouldn't want the crowd to be awake for the TV matches for anything.

Its this reason that I believe when some rich wrestling fan does decide to put together a new wrestling org Vince's empire will fall. He's doing his damndest to make it where the wrestling ring is no longer an intrical part of the show. If a new org is started in the next 5 years and gets a major TV deal, I wouldn't be surprised to see guys like Jericho, RVD, Matt Hardy, Ultimo, etc leave where they can do their true love. I mean if these guys wanted to do what Vince is having them do then they would have become actors.

[Guest jm29195]

Little Guido and Tony Mamaluke had a match with Roadkill and Doring before the Madison Square Garden Raw on June 25th 2001 that was so good that the participants were later given a bollocking by wwe staff for upstaging the wwf wrestlers who were on later in the evening!

[Steviekick 0]

Little Guido and Tony Mamaluke had a match with Roadkill and Doring before the Madison Square Garden Raw on June 25th 2001 that was so good that the participants were later given a bollocking by wwe staff for upstaging the wwf wrestlers who were on later in the evening!

I was at that Raw and sadly missed that match because my friend got lost driving to MSG.

[Enigma 0]

Were there ECW chants? Since these were two top ECW teams (Hell, Doring & Roadkill were the final ECW Tag Champs) and this was only about two months after ECW passed away.

[Steviekick 0]

I remember reading that there were and the four of them got a lot of heat because they stole the show. The main event that night was Jericho vs. Tajiri.

[LucharesuFan619 0]

Little Guido and Tony Mamaluke had a match with Roadkill and Doring before the Madison Square Garden Raw on June 25th 2001 that was so good that the participants were later given a bollocking by wwe staff for upstaging the wwf wrestlers who were on later in the evening!

Ya, I remember that deal, and it pissed me off a lot. The match was said to be real good, but fuckin management never wants a dark match to be good . I asked Guido about it several months before he signed with WWE and he said he was also real frustrated that a good performance doesn't get you points anymore with WWE...you have to charisma and all that crap.

 

Anyway, Downhome, thanks a bunch. Again, I have no prob adding in a thanks to thing, because I don't know where I would've gotten that info had it not been for you. So thanks.

 

Also, regarding this article I'm doing (which won't be posted for at least another month) - for those who subscribe to the Observer newsletter...in late 2001 to like mid-2002, there were a lot of tidbits about Juvi and where his career/mind/life was standing at the time. I'm very interested to know some of what was being reported about him, so as to incorporate it into my article. Credit will assuredly be given if you want it to. PM me if you know anything.