Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 19, 2004 Alot of people blame Brian Gerwitz and his total lack of talent for Matt Hardy's burial, but I just thought of something. Recently, I think I read that Michael Hayes is like the number 2 writer on Raw. He, of course, was the Hardy Boyz manager for a couple of months in 99. In The Hardyz recent book, I think they made some anti-Hayes comments that really offended Hayes. Could that be part of the reason that Matt is being buried this year and Jeff was last year? Or do I just totally have my facts f'd up? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted March 19, 2004 Could they be punishing Matt because Jeff left? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 19, 2004 Well, Jeff didn't leave, he got fired. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2004 Lessee... Matt is, if the WWE stats are correct, around 6'2", the minimum "idea" height for up-and-coming stars (Kurt and Austin are about this height). He's pretty much a WWE-developed talent through-and-through. Pretty darn good in the ring. Charisma out the wazoo, complete with nicknames, hand-signals, and other hooks. His "look" may or may not be what WWE wants, depending on what the hell they want at this point in time. --kinda narrows it down to him pissing some one off. Is there a reason I could have missed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dandy 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2004 I would say that the Hayes thing is as good a bet as any. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted March 19, 2004 Well, Jeff didn't leave, he got fired. Well, yeah. But creative always wanted Jeff to be the star, not Matt. Maybe creative resents him because of this. He also got over on his own. Look at how others are punished because they got over on their own. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2004 HHH fears the movement of small wrestlers getting over... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2004 Well, Jeff didn't leave, he got fired. Well, yeah. But creative always wanted Jeff to be the star, not Matt. Maybe creative resents him because of this. He also got over on his own. Look at how others are punished because they got over on their own. That makes no sense--but it reminds me of something else in Matt's favor: He's a good worker in the context of the WWE style. It can't be that he wrestles a style that the office hates. However, Jeff was spot, spot, spot, spot--fucking up almost every damn one of them near the end. How could he be the guy WWE wanted to be the star? Besides the style, he's lankier, looks like a heroin addict, and he sucks ass on the mic. What the hell sort of star quality does he have? Getting over on his own though--that's a good bet as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Amazing Rando 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2004 HHH: The midgets-uh is coming. Random Writer: I think you mean "the midgets are coming" HHH: That's what I said-uh...the midgets-uh is coming!" Random Writer: No...you said "is coming" ...you should say "are coming" HHH: Are you-uh saying I don't know when I is coming and when I are coming? Random Writer: Now that just didn't make any sense. Random Smark (popping in): Like anything else does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mandarin 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2004 Anyone remember when he called Undertaker back to the ring after their ladder match? Jeff's voice was ear-splitting. It was really hilarious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2004 The only real advantage Jeff had, I think: back before Jeff was all f'ed up, he was the better looking of the two. A Jeff Hardy fangirl once told me she didn't really like Matt as much because Matt "looks like a gorilla." Although, to the WWE that's a *good* thing, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2004 However, Jeff was spot, spot, spot, spot--fucking up almost every damn one of them near the end. How could he be the guy WWE wanted to be the star? Besides the style, he's lankier, looks like a heroin addict, and he sucks ass on the mic. What the hell sort of star quality does he have? What did you expect when WWE pushed Jeff to have a ladder match every week? The ladder match is not a gimmick that should be done every week because it gets boring quick especially with Jeff doing the same 2 spots every time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jester 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2004 Sometimes I think that WWE has totally forgotten how to push a wrestler or build his credability. Maybe they really think a bunch of losses will create more fan interest in their warped logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted March 19, 2004 That makes no sense I don't claim to understand WWE Logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest I Got Banned for Sucking Report post Posted March 19, 2004 WWE always wanted to push Jeff and not Matt because Jeff was always more over than his brother. If the reason for Hardy's burial is indeed because of the comments made towards Michael Hayes, then that is nothing but a complete lack of professionalism - but look at what industry we're talking about here. It is rather funny that they can push a heel non-wrestler like Jonathan Coachman when you can't do the same for a heel wrestler with charisma, ability, could draw and, indeed, has his own hand signals to boot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2004 Matt is, if the WWE stats are correct, around 6'2", the minimum "idea" height for up-and-coming stars (Kurt and Austin are about this height). Off topic a little, but Kurt Angle is not 6'2. No way. No how. I've stood next to him at a house show when he paused and slapped hands in the aisleway. I'm 5'10 and I was the same height, shit maybe even a smidge taller. Kurt Angle is not 6"2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted March 19, 2004 Matt is, if the WWE stats are correct, around 6'2", the minimum "idea" height for up-and-coming stars (Kurt and Austin are about this height). Off topic a little, but Kurt Angle is not 6'2. No way. No how. I've stood next to him at a house show when he paused and slapped hands in the aisleway. I'm 5'10 and I was the same height, shit maybe even a smidge taller. Kurt Angle is not 6"2. Well that helped Chris Jerichos case of being 5'10" or 5'11". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted March 19, 2004 The problem with Matt as I see it is that he's too much like Christian and Jericho used to be as far as style of heel. So pushing him and that guy at the same time would be a bit redundant since they're pretty much on the same level. Perferring Christian, the WWE choses to elevate him and wait on Hardy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted March 19, 2004 He weighs under 240 lbs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted March 19, 2004 As oppossed to those MAMMOTH world champions they have? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest drdrainoscott Report post Posted March 19, 2004 Meltzer always attributes his depush to something that he wrote in the book. Could very well have been those comments about Hayes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted March 19, 2004 Personally, With the reports of Jeffery Hardy in talks with WWE about coming back, I wouldn’t be shocked if they are burying Matt so that Jeff can come back look like a bigger star like WWE had intended…not sure why…I dunno if they would go with Jeff/Matt feud(which worked PERFECTLY last time didn’t it) but by burying Matt, you aren’t helping Jeff if that goes down(it’s most natural way for Jeff to return)…wasn’t the last time we Saw Jeff when Matt slapped him or vice versa? Or perhaps they want jeff to look like the MESSIAH or something and return and get Matt back on his winning ways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notJames 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2004 For what it's worth: WWE was planning on having a Matt Hardy vs. Mark Henry match at WrestleMania XX before Henry got injured. The plan was to have Hardy snap his losing streak at the show. Once Henry got injured though, WWE dropped Hardy's losing streak gimmick. I don't know which is worse, being buried or having a program with Sexual Forklift. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BDC Report post Posted March 19, 2004 Well, at least he was going to win... Always look on the bright side of death... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2004 Matt is, if the WWE stats are correct, around 6'2", the minimum "idea" height for up-and-coming stars (Kurt and Austin are about this height). Off topic a little, but Kurt Angle is not 6'2. No way. No how. I've stood next to him at a house show when he paused and slapped hands in the aisleway. I'm 5'10 and I was the same height, shit maybe even a smidge taller. Kurt Angle is not 6"2. Well that helped Chris Jerichos case of being 5'10" or 5'11". HBK is around 5' 8" 210 in person and Funaki is about 5' 6' 180.................and yes I am still stalking them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted March 19, 2004 Matt is, if the WWE stats are correct, around 6'2", the minimum "idea" height for up-and-coming stars (Kurt and Austin are about this height). Off topic a little, but Kurt Angle is not 6'2. No way. No how. I was assuming that WWE's stats were close or not too far off. I'm not surprised, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2004 I blame Lita. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest I Got Banned for Sucking Report post Posted March 20, 2004 Jeff Hardy is not returning. At all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2004 Look at how others are punished because they got over on their own. That principle goes all the way back to the Hollywood Blondes. Possibly further, but they were the most notable example. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest I Got Banned for Sucking Report post Posted March 20, 2004 Look at how others are punished because they got over on their own. Yes, it's usually pretty fucked up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
