Masked Man of Mystery 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2004 Maybe they're working with Jeff and thinking about reuniting them? I'd go for that. It'd be better than some of the trash in the tag division Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2004 Jeff's problem is that he looks like he weighs 130 pounds, despite WWE's attempts to say he weighed almost twice that. Even JR one night had trouble selling 220lbs garbage (he added "and I think that was only on a good day.") This is the same company that last Sunday also ptched the shorter Shannon Moore as 207. Maybe if he was soaking wet and holding a brick. It all comes down to Vince having a pseudo-erotic interest in big strapping guys, and that Jeff in particular has pretty much nothing but the pants around his waist to help cushion the bumps he was taking. At least he should have been eating more. At this point, rather than bring back Jeff, I'd just make Moore & Paul London the new daredevil tag team. I don't know why they're using Kidman instead unless they want to bury Moore by association with Hardy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted March 20, 2004 Alot of people blame Brian Gerwitz and his total lack of talent for Matt Hardy's burial, but I just thought of something. Recently, I think I read that Michael Hayes is like the number 2 writer on Raw. He, of course, was the Hardy Boyz manager for a couple of months in 99. In The Hardyz recent book, I think they made some anti-Hayes comments that really offended Hayes. Could that be part of the reason that Matt is being buried this year and Jeff was last year? Or do I just totally have my facts f'd up? I know that Hayes is a road agents as you mentioned about what was said in the Hardyz book. But, I think that Hayes has less to do with the pushing of talent. He might help arrange the matches or consult on things, but it seems as if most of the time he isn't taken the most serious when it comes to angles or storylines. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justcoz 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2004 I know that Hayes is a road agents as you mentioned about what was said in the Hardyz book. But, I think that Hayes has less to do with the pushing of talent. He might help arrange the matches or consult on things, but it seems as if most of the time he isn't taken the most serious when it comes to angles or storylines. Hayes got a bit of attention a few months ago for injecting himself in Smackdown's creative process. I think Hayes wanted John Cena pushed as an anti authority babyface ala Austin and called for him to FU his tag partner Chris Benoit after their match. The idea was rejected by Smackdown's team as such a thing had nothing to do with the direction they were going in. Hayes went straight to Vince McMahon and Vince approved the idea. Smackdown's creative team were insulted that Hayes, a Raw writer by what was described, was able to get in Vince's ear. The angle ended up not airing after all. That aside, the Matt Hardy mystery will forever confuse me. Here is pretty much a home grown talent with charisma who was able to get himself over. Yet they bury him for seemingly no reason at all. The move to RAW was the perfect opportunity to push him big time and even the audience was ready for it. They of course dropped the ball. There is no reason to be pushing Orton, Cade, Jindrak and Batista over Hardy. It's sickening the talent that they waste on their roster because of what creative is lacking or silly personal grudges like I think the Hardy thing is about. You push the people with talent who the fans respond to for the good of the business. The people still respond to Hardy despite his burial. Personally, I would be down with an alliance of Matt, Shannon, a non Hurricane Shane Helms and Stevie Richards. Listen to the Pittsburgh music scene on Live 365 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2004 Personally, I would be down with an alliance of Matt, Shannon, a non Hurricane Shane Helms and Stevie Richards Hm 3 Count revival with wacko Stevie? Could work but considering that they would be more entertaining than Evolution it would not work because Vince has to protect his "family". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DangerousDamon 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2004 HHH fears the movement of small wrestlers getting over... Matt looks waaaaaay bigger in person. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2004 HHH fears the movement of small wrestlers getting over... Matt looks waaaaaay bigger in person. But the perception is that he is nothing but a Cruiserweight who thinks he can fight with the big boys. HHH does not want to fight HBK Version 2.5. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DangerousDamon 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2004 HHH fears the movement of small wrestlers getting over... Matt looks waaaaaay bigger in person. But the perception is that he is nothing but a Cruiserweight who thinks he can fight with the big boys. HHH does not want to fight HBK Version 2.5. True, True. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EdwardKnoxII 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2004 I don't know if this is the reason why but, remember a year ago the fed was having wrestling meetings were Vince or HHH or whoever was talking down to the wrestlers, blaming them for the ratings, sayin they can't work, etc. Well during one Matt Hardy had the balls to stand up to them. So, of course, he was buried afterwards. I don't know if that is the reason he's getting buried but, you never know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2004 Jeff's problem is that he looks like he weighs 130 pounds, despite WWE's attempts to say he weighed almost twice that. Very true. Unless Jeff is 7 feet tall, there is no way he's over 200 pounds with his figure. Near the end, he was looking like Stacy Keibler. Actually, even before he went downhill sort of speak, I remember he was quite skinny. In his match with Matt against the Dudleys at RR '00, I joked to my brother that from the back he looks like a girl and any girl would kill to have his figure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toxxic 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2004 In his match with Matt against the Dudleys at RR '00, I joked to my brother that from the back he looks like a girl and any girl would kill to have his figure. Jeff as a girl wouldn't have made it in the WWE with his figure - no breasts. I must say that it still amuses me that people used to boo Rico for coming out in eyeliner (before it went absolutely OTT crazy shit and it was no longer just about the eyeliner), but they'd ignore it with Raven and Jeff probably owes some of his sizeable female fan base to it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JasonX 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2004 Lessee... Matt is, if the WWE stats are correct, around 6'2", the minimum "idea" height for up-and-coming stars (Kurt and Austin are about this height). He's pretty much a WWE-developed talent through-and-through. Pretty darn good in the ring. Charisma out the wazoo, complete with nicknames, hand-signals, and other hooks. His "look" may or may not be what WWE wants, depending on what the hell they want at this point in time. --kinda narrows it down to him pissing some one off. Is there a reason I could have missed? Actually the problem of Matt Hardy's continual burial is the result of a backstage meeting back during the fall of perpetual sucking 2002. Vince and the creative team were bitching at the Raw roster and the fact that it was their fault as opposed to HHH and the writers as to why the show sucked. Matt bravely spoke up and told these egomaniacs the one thing they hate hearing (the truth) and told them why things sucked and basically told them they were to blame. And Matt Hardy was buried from that day forward..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2004 Very true. Unless Jeff is 7 feet tall, there is no way he's over 200 pounds with his figure. Near the end, he was looking like Stacy Keibler. I got a good up-close look at Jeff only one time and he's the second most anorexic looking figure I've seen, next to a former boyfriend who had the same build but was a good deal taller. He seemed alright in the early days when the Hardys were just jobbers making their way from Shotgun to Heat. Somewhere around the "New Brood" period of the hair dye and the umpteenth tag title reign, he suddently lost about thirty or forty pounds. That weight was probably helping cushion his skeletal structure in the bumps he was taking. Nowadays, two words: Compressed spine. Need I say more? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Your Olympic Hero Report post Posted March 21, 2004 The only real advantage Jeff had, I think: back before Jeff was all f'ed up, he was the better looking of the two. A Jeff Hardy fangirl once told me she didn't really like Matt as much because Matt "looks like a gorilla." Although, to the WWE that's a *good* thing, right? See "Train, A" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 21, 2004 I must say that it still amuses me that people used to boo Rico for coming out in eyeliner (before it went absolutely OTT crazy shit and it was no longer just about the eyeliner) When it went over the top with Rico, a LOT of his routine was stollen from Jeff's last couple months. The face paint, the prancing... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted March 21, 2004 Jeff's problem is that he looks like he weighs 130 pounds, despite WWE's attempts to say he weighed almost twice that. Very true. Unless Jeff is 7 feet tall, there is no way he's over 200 pounds with his figure. Near the end, he was looking like Stacy Keibler. Actually, even before he went downhill sort of speak, I remember he was quite skinny. In his match with Matt against the Dudleys at RR '00, I joked to my brother that from the back he looks like a girl and any girl would kill to have his figure. Overstating weight isn't that over the top. Heck, AWA used to claim that Greg Gagne weighed 220 and he might have had even LESS muscle mass than Jeff at the end. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toxxic 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2004 I must say that it still amuses me that people used to boo Rico for coming out in eyeliner (before it went absolutely OTT crazy shit and it was no longer just about the eyeliner) When it went over the top with Rico, a LOT of his routine was stollen from Jeff's last couple months. The face paint, the prancing... Exactly. But Jeff was a face (theoretically, I know a lot of Smarks hated him). And it'snot just how they're booked. Rico gets no face heat even when "protecting" Divas from Kane. ... Actually, given that one of them was Miss Jackie, I may be able to see why... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2004 I must say that it still amuses me that people used to boo Rico for coming out in eyeliner (before it went absolutely OTT crazy shit and it was no longer just about the eyeliner) When it went over the top with Rico, a LOT of his routine was stollen from Jeff's last couple months. The face paint, the prancing... Exactly. But Jeff was a face (theoretically, I know a lot of Smarks hated him). And it'snot just how they're booked. Rico gets no face heat even when "protecting" Divas from Kane. Rico never actually had an official face turn. He was a heel, Jackie was hanging around the ring, then all of a sudden Stacy's showing up and the girls want to be in Playboy, then he becomes their personal ring announcer. Huh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Amazing Rando 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2004 Jeff could EASILY turn heel... Just change his finisher to a submission or something that doesn't involve him taking his clothes off or jumping off of things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2004 Jeff could EASILY turn heel... Just change his finisher to a submission or something that doesn't involve him taking his clothes off or jumping off of things. Hardylock? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2004 Jeff could EASILY turn heel... Just change his finisher to a submission or something that doesn't involve him taking his clothes off or jumping off of things. Hardylock? Testicular claw? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Amazing Rando 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2004 I would seriously consider giving Jeff Hardy something different from what is already on WWE TV... maybe an inverted DDT into the facelock w/bodyscissors... the old Scorpion Death Drop into the body lock... call it "The Fate Remains The Same" or something similiar to his whole crazy attitude on life. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest I Got Banned for Sucking Report post Posted March 22, 2004 For fuck's sake, J-E-F-F H-A-R-D-Y I-S N-O-T C-O-M-I-N-G B-A-C-K T-O W-O-R-L-D W-R-E-S-T-L-I-N-G E-N-T-E-R-T-A-I-N-M-E-N-T, I-N-C-O-R-P-O-R-A-T-E-D. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted March 22, 2004 For fuck's sake, J-E-F-F H-A-R-D-Y I-S N-O-T C-O-M-I-N-G B-A-C-K T-O W-O-R-L-D W-R-E-S-T-L-I-N-G E-N-T-E-R-T-A-I-N-M-E-N-T, I-N-C-O-R-P-O-R-A-T-E-D. You won't believe how many times I said that in the chat room. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Amazing Rando 0 Report post Posted March 22, 2004 I was not saying that he was...I was going along with the discussion of how he would turn heel if he did come back. I couldn't care less whether or not he comes back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 22, 2004 I would seriously consider giving Jeff Hardy something different from what is already on WWE TV... maybe an inverted DDT into the facelock w/bodyscissors... the old Scorpion Death Drop into the body lock... call it "The Fate Remains The Same" or something similiar to his whole crazy attitude on life. Would you submit to something applied by Jeff Hardy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Amazing Rando 0 Report post Posted March 22, 2004 If it hurt, I guess. That's the point. I had the same idea for a program between Shannon Moore and Matt Hardy, with Shannon turning face and busting out crazy submissions on Matt after weeks of abuse at the Sensai's hands. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 22, 2004 If it hurt, I guess. That's the point. Does Hardy have the weight or the strength to make anything hurt? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted March 22, 2004 If it hurt, I guess. That's the point. Does Hardy have the weight or the strength to make anything hurt? He could always start singing while sitting on top of them. That would make any WWE superstar tap out. Hell, that would make the crowd yell "TAP OUT! TAP OUT!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Amazing Rando 0 Report post Posted March 22, 2004 if SPIKE DUDLEY can win matches (yes, he has...it's imazing) ...if OLM can win matches.... then I am mostly sure Hardy could do it too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
