More Smoking Guns in the Intelligence Community?

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CBS News

 

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[bobobrazil1984 0]

jesus the christ...

 

Edmonds says that to her amazement, from the day she started the job, she was told repeatedly by one of her supervisors that there was no urgency - that she should take longer to translate documents so that the department would appear overworked and understaffed. That way, it would receive a larger budget for the next year.

 

“We were told by our supervisors that this was the great opportunity for asking for increased budget and asking for more translators,” says Edmonds. “And in order to do that, don't do the work and let the documents pile up so we can show it and say that we need more translators and expand the department.”

 

Edmonds says that the supervisor, in an effort to slow her down, went so far as to erase completed translations from her FBI computer after she'd left work for the day.

 

“The next day I would come to work, turn on my computer and the work would be gone. The translation would be gone,” she says. “Then I had to start all over again and retranslate the same document. And I went to my supervisor and he said, ‘Consider it a lesson and don't talk about it to anybody else and don't mention it.’”

 

Ok, what the FUCK is wrong with our intelligence agencies? first the CIA, and now the FBI with this idiocy?

[NoCalMike 0]

jesus the christ...

 

Edmonds says that to her amazement, from the day she started the job, she was told repeatedly by one of her supervisors that there was no urgency - that she should take longer to translate documents so that the department would appear overworked and understaffed. That way, it would receive a larger budget for the next year.

 

“We were told by our supervisors that this was the great opportunity for asking for increased budget and asking for more translators,” says Edmonds. “And in order to do that, don't do the work and let the documents pile up so we can show it and say that we need more translators and expand the department.”

 

Edmonds says that the supervisor, in an effort to slow her down, went so far as to erase completed translations from her FBI computer after she'd left work for the day.

 

“The next day I would come to work, turn on my computer and the work would be gone. The translation would be gone,” she says. “Then I had to start all over again and retranslate the same document. And I went to my supervisor and he said, ‘Consider it a lesson and don't talk about it to anybody else and don't mention it.’”

 

Ok, what the FUCK is wrong with our intelligence agencies? first the CIA, and now the FBI with this idiocy?

YOU COMMIE PINKO LIAR. FIND OUT NOW, IS SHE ON THE KERRY PAYROLL, FIND OUT NOW. FUCK HER, FUCK THAT LYING BITCH. STUPID LIBERAL CONSPIRACY WHACKS.........AAAAAAARRRRRRRRGHHHHHHH BUSH/CHENEY '04 BABY~!

[NoCalMike 0]

Yikes....

 

"Incredibly, Edmonds said "The senate Judiciary Committee, and the 911 Commission have heard me testify for lengthy periods of time time (3 hours) about very specific plots, dates, airplanes used as weapons, and specific individuals and activities."

 

of course I am awaiting for attack dogs to come up with some lame reason she is somehow "not credible"

[Stephen Joseph 0]

Wow, so shirking made the news.

 

Not like this isn't rampant in the private sector too.

[Guest Cerebus]

Speaking from personal experience, the civilian intelligence community is FUCKED UP. Most of the people I worked with in the DIA had little good to say about their counterparts in the FBI, CIA, and NSA (they were the BUTT of a lot of jokes in fact). After my accident, I got an offer from the CIA for a job that I threw out immidietly after reading, there is no way I would get involved with those assheads. I don't see any reason to doubt this lady, what she says sounds like a lot of the stories I've heard.

[Guest MikeSC]

Speaking from personal experience, the civilian intelligence community is FUCKED UP. Most of the people I worked with in the DIA had little good to say about their counterparts in the FBI, CIA, and NSA (they were the BUTT of a lot of jokes in fact). After my accident, I got an offer from the CIA for a job that I threw out immidietly after reading, there is no way I would get involved with those assheads. I don't see any reason to doubt this lady, what she says sounds like a lot of the stories I've heard.

But Bush was supposed to know ANYWAY.

 

He's a moron --- but he's supposed to be a CLAIRVOYANT moron.

-=Mike

...KRESKIN FOR PRESIDENT! Who's with me?

[Guest Cerebus]

Speaking from personal experience, the civilian intelligence community is FUCKED UP.  Most of the people I worked with in the DIA had little good to say about their counterparts in the FBI, CIA, and NSA (they were the BUTT of a lot of jokes in fact). After my accident, I got an offer from the CIA for a job that I threw out immidietly after reading, there is no way I would get involved with those assheads. I don't see any reason to doubt this lady, what she says sounds like a lot of the stories I've heard.

But Bush was supposed to know ANYWAY.

 

He's a moron --- but he's supposed to be a CLAIRVOYANT moron.

-=Mike

...KRESKIN FOR PRESIDENT! Who's with me?

WTF are you talking about Mike?

[Guest MikeSC]

Speaking from personal experience, the civilian intelligence community is FUCKED UP.  Most of the people I worked with in the DIA had little good to say about their counterparts in the FBI, CIA, and NSA (they were the BUTT of a lot of jokes in fact). After my accident, I got an offer from the CIA for a job that I threw out immidietly after reading, there is no way I would get involved with those assheads. I don't see any reason to doubt this lady, what she says sounds like a lot of the stories I've heard.

But Bush was supposed to know ANYWAY.

 

He's a moron --- but he's supposed to be a CLAIRVOYANT moron.

-=Mike

...KRESKIN FOR PRESIDENT! Who's with me?

WTF are you talking about Mike?

We get all of this info that the intel community is screwed up (something anybody who can study history would know, since the intel community was GUTTED in the 70's and never recorded).

 

But Bush is supposed to somehow know WHAT intel is good and WHAT intel is bad. He's supposed to just be clairvoyant, which is ridiculous.

 

The man is "Stupid" according to his critics. But, he's supposed to either KNOW that the intel is bad --- or fake it so convincingly that he has an entire administration AND Pentagon to back it up.

 

We, OBVIOUSLY, need a clairvoyant in the WH to keep the libs happy.

 

We need the Amazing Kreskin!

-=Mike

[Guest Cerebus]

I didn't say anything about Bush, but we can go on all day about why/how the CIA etc has got to the point it has. But that doesn't change the fact that its still jacked up with no remedy in sight (at least not one I have heard about).

[Guest MikeSC]

I didn't say anything about Bush, but we can go on all day about why/how the CIA etc has got to the point it has. But that doesn't change the fact that its still jacked up with no remedy in sight (at least not one I have heard about).

It will take a total overhaul (which means firing the vast majority of the higher-ups in the FBI and CIA), investing HEAVILY in field agents (because technological superiority is useless against terrorists in terms of intel gathering), and giving the intel community far more of a free hand to do what they need to do.

-=Mike

[Vern Gagne 0]

Drastic change also needs to be made at the legislative level has well. These bunch of fat cats have been scratching each others back, and placing blame on everyone but themselves for 9-11, and anything else related to terrorist. While they've done next to nothing for nearly 10 years.

[Guest Cerebus]

I didn't say anything about Bush, but we can go on all day about why/how the CIA etc has got to the point it has. But that doesn't change the fact that its still jacked up with no remedy in sight (at least not one I have heard about).

It will take a total overhaul (which means firing the vast majority of the higher-ups in the FBI and CIA), investing HEAVILY in field agents (because technological superiority is useless against terrorists in terms of intel gathering), and giving the intel community far more of a free hand to do what they need to do.

-=Mike

The Intel community has had very free hand almost since Truman which is why it's got to the point it has (see CIA and the Cult of Intelligence to see how bad it got by the 70s). The issues of field agents and technology in intelligence is FAR too complicated to get in here, but there have been shakeups before at the CIA but for all the wrong reasons in all the wrong places. Hardly anybody in Congress has ever the political will to reign in the CIA or the FBI and it seems that even 9/11 hasn't changed much in that regard.

[Guest MikeSC]

I didn't say anything about Bush, but we can go on all day about why/how the CIA etc has got to the point it has. But that doesn't change the fact that its still jacked up with no remedy in sight (at least not one I have heard about).

It will take a total overhaul (which means firing the vast majority of the higher-ups in the FBI and CIA), investing HEAVILY in field agents (because technological superiority is useless against terrorists in terms of intel gathering), and giving the intel community far more of a free hand to do what they need to do.

-=Mike

The Intel community has had very free hand almost since Truman which is why it's got to the point it has (see CIA and the Cult of Intelligence to see how bad it got by the 70s). The issues of field agents and technology in intelligence is FAR too complicated to get in here, but there have been shakeups before at the CIA but for all the wrong reasons in all the wrong places. Hardly anybody in Congress has ever the political will to reign in the CIA or the FBI and it seems that even 9/11 hasn't changed much in that regard.

Starting with the Church Committee, intel groups had their hands SEVERELY tied. Then Clinton proceeded down the unbelievably wrong-headed path of forbidding intel groups from dealing with "unsavory people" (forgetting that unsavory people are the ones who HAVE the intel).

 

Intel has been RAVAGED since the 1970's.

-=Mike

[Guest Cerebus]

I didn't say anything about Bush, but we can go on all day about why/how the CIA etc has got to the point it has. But that doesn't change the fact that its still jacked up with no remedy in sight (at least not one I have heard about).

It will take a total overhaul (which means firing the vast majority of the higher-ups in the FBI and CIA), investing HEAVILY in field agents (because technological superiority is useless against terrorists in terms of intel gathering), and giving the intel community far more of a free hand to do what they need to do.

-=Mike

The Intel community has had very free hand almost since Truman which is why it's got to the point it has (see CIA and the Cult of Intelligence to see how bad it got by the 70s). The issues of field agents and technology in intelligence is FAR too complicated to get in here, but there have been shakeups before at the CIA but for all the wrong reasons in all the wrong places. Hardly anybody in Congress has ever the political will to reign in the CIA or the FBI and it seems that even 9/11 hasn't changed much in that regard.

Starting with the Church Committee, intel groups had their hands SEVERELY tied. Then Clinton proceeded down the unbelievably wrong-headed path of forbidding intel groups from dealing with "unsavory people" (forgetting that unsavory people are the ones who HAVE the intel).

 

Intel has been RAVAGED since the 1970's.

-=Mike

No offense mike, but you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about and I don't really have time or patience to post this back-and-forth on the board. Feel free to im me though and I'll give you the lo down.

[Guest MikeSC]

No offense mike, but you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about and I don't really have time or patience to post this back-and-forth on the board. Feel free to im me though and I'll give you the lo down.

Read up on the Church Committee, Pike Committee,and other Congressional restrictions on the CIA.

-=Mike

[BX 0]

The validity of the shitty intel is worth noting, but Bush was going determined to get into DesertLand anyway. Kinda like a Megaman with a speech inpediment.

 

I wouldn't put it past Bush to say that a burning bush told him to smite Saddam, had the intel said differently about the WMD.

[NoCalMike 0]

I wouldn't put it past Bush to say that a burning bush told him to smite Saddam, had the intel said differently about the WMD.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Any links to more recent legit sites. Sorry Tom Socco doesn't count.

[Guest MikeSC]

I wouldn't put it past Bush to say that a burning bush told him to smite Saddam, had the intel said differently about the WMD.

Wow, the sense of the humor of the left is worse off than I imagined.

-=Mike