Tonight's Survivor

[Damaramu 0]

There are several ways to play the game:

 

-be a hard worker and earn everyone's respect: Rupert

 

-be a backstabbing asshole: Boston Rob

 

-just win every challenge and generally dominate the game: Colby

 

-be sly and manipulative but not a total jackass that destroys everything in your path with no remorse: Rob C.

 

If anyone was screwed in their own Survivor.....it was Colby.

Out of all of those.....the one Boston Rob played is the worst.

[Madmartigan21 0]

There are several ways to play the game:

 

-be a hard worker and earn everyone's respect: Rupert

 

-be a backstabbing asshole: Boston Rob

 

-just win every challenge and generally dominate the game: Colby

 

-be sly and manipulative but not a total jackass that destroys everything in your path with no remorse: Rob C.

 

If anyone was screwed in their own Survivor.....it was Colby.

Out of all of those.....the one Boston Rob played is the worst.

How exactly is Rob a back-stabbing asshole?

 

He honored his alliance that he established on day ONE with Amber to stay together until the end. He honored his alliance that established on I believe day TWELVE with Rupert and Jenna to go to the final four.

 

He never promised Lex anything. Lex and Kathy can say he asked for that favor "outside of the game" all they want. It's total bullshit. EVERYTHING that happens inside the game, happens INSIDE the game. Lex already established his gameplan was all about business and that friendships couldn't interfere with that. Then he cries foul when somebody else outwits him keeping in mind that same general principle while honoring an alliance already established before the "deal" was struck. What a fucking whiney ass bitch.

 

He did lie to Alicia. But I have no sympathy for her. Besides being another whiney twat, her "alliance" with Rob wasn't in until well into the game when his alliance with Amber was known by everybody. This was her FIRST and ONLY bit of strategizing in the ENTIRE game. She had a chance when Shii-Ann came to her before the immunity challenge to maybe do something, but she wouldn't even entertain the idea. As a result she got her ass booted off that night. She did NOTHING to get as far she even did. She could have left the game at anytime before that and the game wouldn't have been one bit different in the long run.

 

The only person that arguably got screwed over was Big Tom. But by him not answering Rob's question at the reunion, it's pretty clear that he DID have an alliance with Lex before the game even started. It's likely that the only reason that he didn't join with Lex post-merge was because even that dumb ass knew that Lex didn't have the numbers. Big Tom DID entertain the idea of voting off Rob and a big part of the reason that he didn't was because Rob was smart enough to stir the shit between Tom and Rupert. So Tom was yet another person that Rob outwitted.

 

Rob dominated All-Stars physically AND mentally. It can be argued that his strategy might not have been as sound as possible. But nobody else was smart enough to oust him. Hell, several of the people didn't even really play most of the time that they were there. They just followed his lead until he decided it was their time to go. This included everyone else in the final five and Alicia. How anyone can think that anyone else deserved to win is beyond me.

[Damaramu 0]

I'm taking Lex's side. Rob came to him and pretty much said "You keep her in this game and you'll stay in the game." then he spins around and says "Oh wait.......fuck you."

He screwed over Big Tom, he screwed over Alicia, and he screwed over Lex.

And it wouldn't have been as bad had he not badmouthed everyone and acted like he was hot shit.....meanwhile his little girlfriend is pretty much letting him get his hands dirty and look like the bad guy while she sits there and looks like the innocent angel. Rob got played hardcore in that deal.

Besides...he wasn't that smart.....his opponents were dumb. Had they all had one brain cell and realized they could rid themselves of Rob at the first immunity challenge.......then it would've been a different story. That had nothing to do with Rob being smart....it had to do with his opponents being brain dead.

You can never convince me Rob deserved this.

[starvenger 0]

Besides...he wasn't that smart.....his opponents were dumb. Had they all had one brain cell and realized they could rid themselves of Rob at the first immunity challenge.......then it would've been a different story. That had nothing to do with Rob being smart....it had to do with his opponents being brain dead.

You can never convince me Rob deserved this.

But you said it yourself - all of his opponents weren't playing smart. Those that would have (Hatch, Rob C, maybe Colby) were dispatched before the final merge. Would I liked to have seen that? Hell yeah, but it wasn't meant to be. Too bad - Hatch rules all.

 

Anyways, his opponents weren't smart, and Rob took full advantage of it. Is what he did really all that different from what Brian Hedik did to win in Thailand? No, not really. I know you didn't see that season (which sucked once they got to the final 9), but if you did you might see things a bit differently.

 

Basically, it comes down to this: did anyone else besides Rob on the merged tribe do anything to make the case that they should win? Aside from maybe Shii Ann, no. Noone else stepped up to make me say "they deserve to win this season", so I gotta say that Rob deserved it more than anyone else. I don't condone how he did it, but he really tried to outwit, outplay and outlast the others, and I have to respect that.

[Damaramu 0]

I have no respect for the way Rob and Amber played the game though.

I think the way Rupert played was the better way.

Besides. Rob would've been gone so fast if Colby had made it to the merge. He would've won immunity on every challenge just like in Australia. Rob would've never been able to pull his powerplays.

That was another reason he was able to do what he did. There was nobody strong enough or athletic enough once they made it to the merge b/c they had already been rid of them.

Once again......no respect for Rob or his "game". Maybe if he played it with his mouth shut instead of calling everyone and idiot and generally looking like a jackass.

[Mecha Mummy 0]

I have no respect for the way Rob and Amber played the game though.

I think the way Rupert played was the better way.

Besides. Rob would've been gone so fast if Colby had made it to the merge. He would've won immunity on every challenge just like in Australia. Rob would've never been able to pull his powerplays.

That was another reason he was able to do what he did. There was nobody strong enough or athletic enough once they made it to the merge b/c they had already been rid of them.

Once again......no respect for Rob or his "game". Maybe if he played it with his mouth shut instead of calling everyone and idiot and generally looking like a jackass.

So basically, Rob's bad because he's a meaniehead.

 

I loathed Rob. I thought he was probably the least entertaining villain I've ever seen on the show. But I'll admit that only he and Shii Ann did ANYTHING that would make them a good player other than doing okay in challenges and doing work around the camp.

[starvenger 0]

Besides. Rob would've been gone so fast if Colby had made it to the merge. He would've won immunity on every challenge just like in Australia. Rob would've never been able to pull his powerplays.

Actually, Rob proved his worth during the tribal immunities, and I really don't think that Colby would have an easy time of it as you think he would.

[Damaramu 0]

Nah. I'm pretty sure after watching both perform in there respective Survivor's that Colby was the more athletic and smarter of the two. He plays a better game than Rob to and wouldn't have had to rely on being a backstabbing ass to do it either.

I'm glad Rob didn't win.......and once again....you can quit trying to convince me.....I don't think Rob deserved to win. I thought he played a cheap game and didn't get to where he was by being smart..he got there by people being idiots.

[NYU 0]

Dama, you need to realize:

 

Rupert DID NOT play the game.

 

Sure, he was able to survive in that environment. Yes, he could fish well. Yes, he could find coconuts. Yeah, he could drag wood across the beach. That's all well and good if the theme of the game is to see how long one could go camping on their own.

 

But that's not the game.

 

The game of Survivor isn't really about surviving. It's about using intelligence and cunning to make sure that you last the longest on the island without being voted out. It's about using strategy, and making sure that a plan is in place so you won't be going home that night. THAT'S the real game.

 

Rupert didn't play that game. Which is why he went out so early in Pearl Islands. And which is why Jenna and Rob wound up dragging him to the Final Four. He has absolutely no concept of what Survivor is actually about.

 

Can Rupert survive on his own? I'm sure he can.

 

Can Rupert survive the GAME OF SURVIVOR on his own? Absolutely not.

 

Rob knew how to play Survivor. Rupert still has absolutely no idea.

 

(By the way: Again, you're turning a blind eye to this conversation and refusing to listen to what people have to say. Even if you might not think he could measure up to the great contestants of past Survivors, Rob should be commended for at least taking advantage of the idiots that surrounded him. He was a great strategist this time around, and I don't see - AT ALL - how that can be denied)

[Guest Ram]

What gives with Jenna voting for Rupert?  How does that make any sense whatsoever?  She could have just told Rob and Amber that she would vote for Rupert, then actually vote for Rob.  Then Rob and Amber would have voted for Rupert thinking they'd get him out in a 3-1 voting, and it would be a 2-2 tie between Rupert and Rob.  Then at least that gives a chance of Rupert staying with the purple rock thing, and would have guaranteed Jenna her top 3 spot anyways, with a better chance of making the final 2 because Rupert would have taken her if he had the choice.  I just don't get it...

Not exactly. The deal with the purple rocks is that Rob, Rupert, AND Jenna would have all had to draw rocks, which means that Jenna, without anyone casting a vote for her, could have been eliminated and she didn't want to risk that.

Yeah, but Jenna had no chance of winning immunity the next day. She's been the weak link in all the tribes and I think it was obvious she would never win. All she did was hand Rob and Amber the final two spots.

[Damaramu 0]

Actually NY I have heard all the arguments for why Rob should win and I don't agree with them. It isn't me turning a deaf ear. It's me hearing them.....not agreeing with them and deciding that they don't take with me.

The way Boston Rob played the game is NOT the only way to play the game. If it was then this show would get boring fast. There are many different ways to play it and Rupert played one of the ways.

I still have no respect for Rob or his game.

[starvenger 0]

Nah. I'm pretty sure after watching both perform in there respective Survivor's that Colby was the more athletic and smarter of the two. He plays a better game than Rob to and wouldn't have had to rely on being a backstabbing ass to do it either.

No, I'd agree with you there - Colby is a much better overall player who made a $900,000 mistake in Australia, but in ASS Rob was going all out during challenges and would probably have matched Colby in the challenges. As I pointed out before, I'd have liked to have seen that, but Lex made sure that that didn't happen.

 

Like I've said before, I don't like the way Rob played the game, but unlike many of the other ASSes, he actually PLAYED the game. He's not the best player ever, or the most ethical, but he's the most deserving because noone else was.

 

OK, I'm done with this.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

The two key differences between Brian & Rob were that Rob was far more open with his alliance, and thus if he had smarter players he would have been caught, and that Rob based some of his decisions on emotion, specifically the decision to take Amber to the final two when he would have probably beaten Jenna. Shii-Ann certainly would have switched votes.

 

Brian & Rob did have the same strategy, but Brian executed it alot better. Brian had a poor final TC, but so did Rob so I consider that a wash. I don't really remember another major mistake that Brian made, and he was also a challenge threat. He was the first winner ever to win the final IC.

 

Brian played the game to the end, Rob didn't. He stopped once it got to the Final 3. As a result, Brian won, Rob didn't. Rob got the girl, but reality TV marriages tend to have the shelf-life of Funaki winning streaks.

[starvenger 0]

The two key differences between Brian & Rob were that Rob was far more open with his alliance, and thus if he had smarter players he would have been caught, and that Rob based some of his decisions on emotion, specifically the decision to take Amber to the final two when he would have probably beaten Jenna. Shii-Ann certainly would have switched votes.

That was also Colby's $900,000 mistake. Had he taken Keith with him, he'd have had the million. But he disliked Keith and let emotion fuel his decision.

 

Looking back, I think that Kim (in Africa) did the same thing, but she thought that she didn't have a chance of winning, so her taking Ethan was more along the lines of Lil taking Sandra - she wanted Ethan to win more than Tom.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Yep, it was one of the dumbest moves I have seen in Survivor. Although I do think Tina played a better game than him post-merge. She seemed to be the one in the driver's seat, especially when they voted out Amber and Colby didn't.

 

It was actually Lex, not Tom, but Kim wouldn't beat any of the three. There was a lot of controversy over the ending to that season as well. Lex should have won the next to final IC Challenge, which would have sent Kim packing. Lex & Tom were given second place prize money as a result after the show. To be honest, looking back, I really think Lex could have beaten Ethan. Kelly was against him, but he was the most friendly with the former Samburu tribe (especially Brandon) and Tom would have voted for him too.

[HurriShane 0]

I missed it - what was Jerri saying going off on how entertainment has exploited them? That seemed like something CBS didn't want her to say.

 

EDIT: Ha! She left. Awesome.

Actually Jerri went to go hang out with Corey Feldman and Gary Coleman.

[CanadianChick 0]

The two key differences between Brian & Rob were that Rob was far more open with his alliance, and thus if he had smarter players he would have been caught, and that Rob based some of his decisions on emotion, specifically the decision to take Amber to the final two when he would have probably beaten Jenna. Shii-Ann certainly would have switched votes.

 

I'm not sure about that. The jury was so emotional and vindictive. Don't you think that if he didn't take his girlfriend to the finals, everyone would have just seen him as the biggest back-stabber ever? Not to mention Amber may have voted for Jenna after being betrayed by her boyfriend.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

The two key differences between Brian & Rob were that Rob was far more open with his alliance, and thus if he had smarter players he would have been caught, and that Rob based some of his decisions on emotion, specifically the decision to take Amber to the final two when he would have probably beaten Jenna. Shii-Ann certainly would have switched votes.

 

I'm not sure about that. The jury was so emotional and vindictive. Don't you think that if he didn't take his girlfriend to the finals, everyone would have just seen him as the biggest back-stabber ever? Not to mention Amber may have voted for Jenna after being betrayed by her boyfriend.

Rob would have gotten votes from Shii-Ann (gameplayer, she even admitted as much at the reunion), Amber (she would have understood if Rob told her beforehand, from all the ragging I did on her she did understand it was a game), Rupert (was screwed by Jenna, not Rob, listen to his speech after getting voted out) and Kathy (for the same reasons she voted for him this time). Four votes. He would not have gotten Lex, Tom or Alicia. He had three votes for, and three against either way, with Shii-Ann being the swing vote. She said herself that she would have voted Rob over Jenna.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Rupert won!

[starvenger 0]

Well, Rupert's got his cheque. Is anyone surprised?

 

Nice to see Jonny Fairplay though. And that was about as good a plug as TNA will EVER get, I think...

[Stephen Joseph 0]

The two key differences between Brian & Rob were that Rob was far more open with his alliance, and thus if he had smarter players he would have been caught, and that Rob based some of his decisions on emotion, specifically the decision to take Amber to the final two when he would have probably beaten Jenna. Shii-Ann certainly would have switched votes.

 

Brian & Rob did have the same strategy, but Brian executed it alot better. Brian had a poor final TC, but so did Rob so I consider that a wash. I don't really remember another major mistake that Brian made, and he was also a challenge threat. He was the first winner ever to win the final IC.

 

Brian played the game to the end, Rob didn't. He stopped once it got to the Final 3. As a result, Brian won, Rob didn't. Rob got the girl, but reality TV marriages tend to have the shelf-life of Funaki winning streaks.

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