spman 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2004 Some guys like A-Train and Kane are often considerd to be notoriously bad workers, but who do you think is the worst of all time? In this discussion you have to consider two factors 1. Length of their career- Yeah, guys like Zeus, Ludvig Borga, Nailz, Nathan Jones. etc. were black holes of workrate, but their careers were very short, usually only lasting a handfull of notable matches over the course of a year or less, so they really can't be fairly considerd with other awful workers whose careers spanned multiple years. 2. Position on the card- Yeah, El Gigante sucked, but he only worked lower card feuds in matches that lasted three minutes or less. Again, bad, but not as offensive as the turds who acutally got upper mid-card, or even main event pushes. My nominee? Ed Leslie. Hogans BUTT buddy was pushed in every pomotion Hogan was a part of, despite a complete lack of any talent. He main evented a few WWF shows, and almost won the IC Title had it not have been for the parasailing accident. His six year run in WCW was even worse, as he was often a part of some of the worst matches and angles imaginable. If you want crappy wrestling, look no further then Ed Leslie. Other possible Nominees- Jim Duggan, Big Bossman, Sid Vicious. Awful workers I give a free pass to due to reasons outside of ring work - Hulk Hogan, Roddy Piper, Ultimate Warrior, and The Undertaker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ToddRoyal Report post Posted April 6, 2004 By those qualifications it HAS to be Sid. WWF put the World title on him, and WCW would have too if it wasn't for the out of ring stuff. For someone that awful, and who had never really drawn well that's ridiculous. Plus, Beefcake wasn't that bad during the Dream Team days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Stunt Granny Report post Posted April 6, 2004 They DID put the title on Sid. He brought WCW PPV buyrates down to sickningly low levels. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2004 I'd go with Jim Duggan, though I never saw him when he was younger. At least Sid played a madman psycho role, and wasn't so damn annoying like Duggan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JumpinJackFlash Report post Posted April 6, 2004 At least Sid played a madman psycho role, and wasn't so damn annoying like Duggan. HO! HO! HO! HO! HO! HO! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! HO! HO! HO! HO! HO! HO! I see what you mean. That guy was annoying! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2004 Duggan used to be a great worker pre-WWF. I have to go with Mable. I can't think of him having a single match above *, yet he was around for years, won a KOTR and was the #1 Contender at the second biggest show of the year. Worst actual big star was Kevin Nash. Sid & Nash were pretty much equally terrible when it came to actual skills, but Sid at least had enthusiasm which made it easier to withstand his matches. Nash was just slow and dull. Nash also sank not one, but TWO promotions due to shitty title runs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deancoles 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2004 The best match Mabel was involved in was his Wrestlemania 10 match against the Quebecers. The Big Bossman should be nowhere near this thread based on his stuff until 1994, after that you have a point but his Big Show feud makes up for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrestlingDeacon 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2004 I don't know if you can totally exclude El Gigante in that. He got a fairly good push in both WCW and WWF. He was one of Sting's buddies against the new Horsemen in WCW and he feuded with the Undertaker in the WWF. Yeah, Bossman will suprise you if you go back and check out some of his stuff pre jumping back to WCW. Bossman vs. Barbarian at Royal Rumble '91 is like a *** match, no joke. And I don't see how you can even mention Piper. He was one of the best workers the WWF had in the '80's and I can name a handful of his matches that are easily **** like against Bret at Wrestlemania VIII and the dog collar match with Greg Valentine at the first Starrcade. Two totally different styled matches too. To throw in a new name, I'd say Ron Simmons. He only got the WCW title put on him because he was black at a time they were accused of racial discrimination. He and Butch Reed were actually decent as Doom once they got the hang of working with each other, but he's never impressed as a singles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2004 Bossman is a better worker then he's given credit for. I've always secretly been a Bossman fan. You could argue Abdullah the Butcher. While I even like Abby a little, he's an awful wrestler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deancoles 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2004 Kamala is one that most people forget. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted April 6, 2004 Kevin Nash is easily one of the worst champions of ALL TIME. Considering that he was the lowest drawing champion the WWF/WWE ever had. Sid was overrated from the time he stepped in a ring. Considering that he was a multiple time WWE/WCW champion and was a fixture at the main event level for years could further this argument in his behalf. I honestly couldn't put Bossman or Duggan in this because even though in periods of their career they were totally unwatchable, but for other periods they were more than acceptable. Kamala was a guy that could fall into this category, except for the fact that he was never a fixture at the main event level or made champion(which would easily change my decision). Youth N Asia brings up a great point as Abby may be the most overrated wrestler EVER. But once again, he's never been the world champion so I couldn't have him top the list, but he might be on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Frank_Nabbit Report post Posted April 6, 2004 Kamala's got the gimmick, so it makes sense for him to be only a choppy kicky worker. Thats psychlogy Cpl Kirchner never impressed me. Iron Shiek is rather horrid at all times as well. Sid and almost every one mentioned have their plus sides. Nick Gulas killed his bros Memphis promotion because he was horrid and was still pushed as a star. Ron Bass never did anything for me, but I'm guessing his NWA/Florida days have something worthwhile Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jingus 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2004 Many of the above are worthy choices, but they're far from the worst workers in the world. Even guys like Sid or Nash possessed a basic in-ring competence that made them worlds better than many, many crappy indy workers that I've seen. My choice? Tiger Jeet Singh. This guy was so selfish that even Triple H would've said "Hey man, are you ever going to lay down for anyone?" He never took a bump, never got pinned, never sold shit, and always manhandled and stiffed whoever he was in there with. And yet he was a big star in Japan for DECADES, due to backstage politics. He's the worst I've ever seen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spman 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2004 I was gonna say Jeet too, but I really wasn't familliar with his work. His son TIger Ali Singh was supposedly just as bad, but atleast his role in the WWF most mostly limited to a manager. Here's another name, Lex Luger. Has Luger ever been anything more then an overpushed roid monster? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted April 6, 2004 Sid was at least mega-over for a good part of his career. Don't forget that Bossman also had some awesome matches with Vader in 94 in WCW. I'd have to say Ronnie Garvin. His matches were awful for the most part unless he was stepping into the ring with Ric Flair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tekcop 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2004 Duggan used to be a great worker pre-WWF. I have to go with Mable. I can't think of him having a single match above *, yet he was around for years, won a KOTR and was the #1 Contender at the second biggest show of the year. The Mable vs. Moe submissions match from Memphis TV a few months back was WAY better than I expected... about **1/2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Frank_Nabbit Report post Posted April 6, 2004 Sid was at least mega-over for a good part of his career. Don't forget that Bossman also had some awesome matches with Vader in 94 in WCW. I'd have to say Ronnie Garvin. His matches were awful for the most part unless he was stepping into the ring with Ric Flair. Garvin was like 44 when he was wrestling Flair - Find some of his stuff from the 60's and 70's Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Frank_Nabbit Report post Posted April 6, 2004 Duggan used to be a great worker pre-WWF. I have to go with Mable. I can't think of him having a single match above *, yet he was around for years, won a KOTR and was the #1 Contender at the second biggest show of the year. The Mable vs. Moe submissions match from Memphis TV a few months back was WAY better than I expected... about **1/2. M.O.M. at war makes me very sad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2004 Brian Adams, post-Demolition days Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrestlingDeacon 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2004 Yeah, I've seen some early Ronnie Garvin where he wasn't bad at all. And even in his later year you could tell that he knew how to work a crowd and put a match together. Luger is an odd duck. The farther he went in the business, the more time passed, the worst he got. I've seen some of his Florida stuff and he was a pretty passable power wrestler. Then when he got to the NWA he was pretty good until the time they finally put the title on him when Flair left. He put on quality matches that I've seen with the likes of Flair and Windham. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2004 Yeah, if you're going based on push you have to add Luger. The guy was as charasmatic as a bag of hammers, couldn't work, and yet got pushed. Although Flair and a few others got good matches out of him in the late 80s Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted April 6, 2004 Yeah, thats sort of why I can't put Nash on here since he was really showing some match quality from that match with Bret at the King of The Ring until he left for WCW. But I'm the sort of person that doesn't care about his drawing power. Anyway, worst wrestler I've personally ever seen despite the fact that he was a complete blast to watch get his ass kicked was the Honkey Tonk Man. No one made more out of being a complete bastard who people would beat up all match long than that guy. Terrible worker though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted April 6, 2004 Some guys like A-Train and Kane are often considerd to be notoriously bad workers, but who do you think is the worst of all time? In this discussion you have to consider two factors I don't know who you've been brain washed buy, both them two are considered good workers for men their size. I don't care what the rules are, El Gigante/Giant Gonzalez is the WORST FUCKING WORKER IN THE HISTORY OF WRESTLING. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted April 6, 2004 Yeah, thats sort of why I can't put Nash on here since he was really showing some match quality from that match with Bret at the King of The Ring until he left for WCW. But I'm the sort of person that doesn't care about his drawing power. Anyway, worst wrestler I've personally ever seen despite the fact that he was a complete blast to watch get his ass kicked was the Honkey Tonk Man. No one made more out of being a complete bastard who people would beat up all match long than that guy. Terrible worker though... Very good point as HTM might be the most overrated guy in wrestling history...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest La Marka Report post Posted April 7, 2004 If the criteria is "bad worker who in his prime even sucked," then the winner for me would be Van Hammer. BUT! He was big, so dammit, push him! Push! Him! ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deancoles 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2004 The only good things out of Van Hammer were the Sid Vicious squash at Slamboree 93 and the Falls Count Anywhere Match with Cactus Jack. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silence 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2004 Would Billy Gunn be one of the worst? Chris Benoit couldn't even get a decent match out of him in 2000 because Gunn kept dropping Benoit on his head and looked really nervous as well. His mic skills are also some of the poorest I've ever heard. Don't forget any non-DX gimmicks he's had, either, especially "Mr. Ass". The only thing that would excuse him would be the fact that he only got over in 1998 just because he was with Road Dogg (who also sucks) in DX as the New Age Outlaws. Some have also argued that Gunn wasn't as terrible as he was pre-2000, though I can't think of a lot of good Billy Gunn matches even before that time, either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masked Man of Mystery 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2004 Was Mongo legit pushed? Because I never saw much anything in the fellow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2004 Dammit! I was thinking Mongo right before I read that message. They put the friggin US title on that waste! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wrestlingbs Report post Posted April 7, 2004 Would Billy Gunn be one of the worst? Chris Benoit couldn't even get a decent match out of him in 2000 because Gunn kept dropping Benoit on his head and looked really nervous as well. His mic skills are also some of the poorest I've ever heard. Don't forget any non-DX gimmicks he's had, either, especially "Mr. Ass". The only thing that would excuse him would be the fact that he only got over in 1998 just because he was with Road Dogg (who also sucks) in DX as the New Age Outlaws. Some have also argued that Gunn wasn't as terrible as he was pre-2000, though I can't think of a lot of good Billy Gunn matches even before that time, either. Yeah, Billy Gunn has to be close to being the worst. The guy has gotten push after push and failed miserably at it. Bob Holly could also be in there if it wasn't for his 1999/2000 hardcore work he did with Crash. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
