Greatest Baseball Team of All Time?

[Guest Anglesault]

Your thanks kills any momentum that your posts could have.

::sigh::

 

Don't you know that Drury has been saying "Thanks" for no logical or apparent reason since the dawn of television or whatever and he claims and that means the whole thing isn't stupid?

[Vern Gagne 0]

The A's from 88-90 were damn impressive. Should of won 3 straight championships.

[Bored 0]

Those A's teams lost one game in the ALCS during those three years but the World Series was a different story. Some would argue the '89 team was actually the weakest and they did win the fewest games of the three. Thing was though Canseco missed the majority of the season due to injury so he probably would have been worth a couple of extra wins if he'd been healthy. I think '89 was definently better than '88 because of one player, Rickey Henderson. Big difference having him at the top of the order instead of Luis Polonia or Stan Javier.

 

The '90 team actually might have been the best. They were very Yankee like in that they added Harold Baines and Willie McGee late in the season when they didn't really even have a huge need for either player. Only thing about that team was the starting pitching depth was a bit lacking although Dave Stewart and Bob Welch had great years. Scott Sanderson and Mike Moore were both mediocre that year.

[Guest]

Your thanks kills any momentum that your posts could have.

::sigh::

 

Don't you know that Drury has been saying "Thanks" for no logical or apparent reason since the dawn of television or whatever and he claims and that means the whole thing isn't stupid?

I know.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

First off, the 1919 White Sox. Shoeless Joe Jackson should never be reinstated into baseball. He accepted money for the purpose of throwing the World Series. He admitted this under oath. The discussion ends there. Furthermore, he knew about the fix, and did not notify his manager or superiors about the crooked players. In doing so, he was doing more to lose the World Series than to win it.

Shoeless Joe Jackson was fooled into signing a document that said he had taken part in it. The man couldn't read and was told the documentation purely stated that he would testify in court truthfully when it was really saying the signee admitted to wrong doing. Jackson also never took any cash, not a dime.

 

Also do you realise how hard it would be to rat out 7 other people who are like family members to you? I mean its not like today where they can all travel in different cars and have different hotel rooms. They would often carpool to the park and live with one another during the season. He tried getting them to play legit through his own actions and words, but in the end the only person he could get to even consider it was Buck Weaver.

I'm sure had he known "You don't win this WS you won't have a shot to win another because you're being banned from baseball due to your team mates actions" then he would have been more motivated to go to the manager. As it was he bottled his disappointment in everybody and looked towards next season.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Shoeless Joe Jackson was fooled into signing a document that said he had taken part in it. The man couldn't read and was told the documentation purely stated that he would testify in court truthfully when it was really saying the signee admitted to wrong doing. Jackson also never took any cash, not a dime.

 

So based on a decidedly pro-Jackson film and movie, Joe Jackson is exonerated? The burden of proof is on Jackson's side, and I see no reason not to discount the testimony. Furthermore, Jackson's admission to receiving $5,000 was told before a Grand Jury, not just a signed confession. Jackson most certainly DID receive money for throwing the series.

 

So lets assume Jackson played honest ball during the Series.......

 

1. He received money for the PURPOSE of throwing the World Series.

 

2. He was complicit in the fixing of the World Series.

 

Yes, its hard to rat out your teammates. But that doesn't make it right. Is he a sympathetic character? Perhaps. But the fact is he committed baseball's ultimate sin.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

I'm not just going by 8 Men Out, I'm also going on biographical shows I've seen and stuff I've read. His grand daughter said on a biographical program that Joe never took a penny of it, that he refused the cash in an attempt to stay in MLB.

 

Babe Ruth corked bats, beat his numerous wives, and often played drunk...all of which is much worse than Jackson's decision to just go along with whatever his team mates thought was best, and in the end he played hard too.

 

His only real crime that I can see is not ratting out people he percieved to be family.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

As per the 88-90 A's dynasty. I think the '88 team was the best. In '89 Canseco missed 2/3 of the season, so their offense was suspect, even with Henderson. 1988 was the only year they nearly led the AL in both runs scored and runs allowed.

 

On a side note, I find it interesting that despite their big hitting reputation, the '88 club had only three players top a .450 slugging mark.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

I'm not just going by 8 Men Out, I'm also going on biographical shows I've seen and stuff I've read. His grand daughter said on a biographical program that Joe never took a penny of it, that he refused the cash in an attempt to stay in MLB.

 

His granddaughter? That's unbiased, fair testimony right there. Lets hand him a HOF cap right now. Enough of this silly scandal. The fact is, I've never seen a credible source say he never received money. Maybe he didn't want it, but the fact is he got it.

 

Babe Ruth corked bats, beat his numerous wives, and often played drunk...all of which is much worse than Jackson's decision to just go along with whatever his team mates thought was best, and in the end he played hard too.

 

Its not worse. Jackson's decision nearly brought down the integrity of the game, and threatened its very survival. Ruth always played to win. His off the field shenanigans are secondary.

[Drury37 0]

As far as great teams that did not win the World Series go, I don't know if they where the greatest team of all time but still really good and i think besides the 1996 and 1998-2000 Yankees I love them more than any team of all time, which is the 2001 Yankees. They where suppose to be great in the beginning of the year and where and basically cruised through the summer because the Red Sox where not as good as they where in 2002, clinched the AL East and then hit a wall in the first two games against the A's in the ALDS but then Derek Jeter made the GREATEST PLAY IN THE HISTORY OF BASEBALL in Game 3 of the ALDS and they really got rolling from there until the World Series where they still where 2 out away from winning. They got outplayed big time in that series until it was bottom of the 9th and 2 out when they finally woke up. Alright I am going on for too long.

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[Slayer 0]

The Big Red Machine

 

If they didn't let "old man" Frank Robinson go, they'd have had more than two WS championships in the 70's

 

The 1976 Reds are the only team of the post-LCS era to go undefeated in the playoffs.

[TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0]

The 1996 Yankees is my personal all-time favorite team. They had no superstars, but were nitty gritty group that came together throughout the season. David Cone's anyurism, Doc Gooden's no-hitter, Derek Jeter's Rookie of the Year season, Andy Pettitte's 21 win sophomore season, the emergence of Mariano Rivera, the best bullpen in baseball, the coming back from being down in all 3 playoff series to win it all, along with rock-steady performers like Bernie Williams, Paul O'Neill, Tino Martinez, Wade Boggs, Jim Leyritz, Jimmy Key, John Wetteland and Mariano Duncan.

[Drury37 0]

I agree with Jack Bauer and the 1996 New York Yankees are also my favorite team of all time.

Thanks.

[Guest Anglesault]

The 1996 Yankees is my personal all-time favorite team. They had no superstars, but were nitty gritty group that came together throughout the season. David Cone's anyurism, Doc Gooden's no-hitter, Derek Jeter's Rookie of the Year season, Andy Pettitte's 21 win sophomore season, the emergence of Mariano Rivera, the best bullpen in baseball, the coming back from being down in all 3 playoff series to win it all, along with rock-steady performers like Bernie Williams, Paul O'Neill, Tino Martinez, Wade Boggs, Jim Leyritz, Jimmy Key, John Wetteland and Mariano Duncan.

You forgot Kenny Rogers.

 

He came this close to becoming my original Weaver.

[Drury37 0]

the coming back from being down in all 3 playoff series to win it all

This is probably my favorite sports team all time (Favorite team with year) but I have to acknowldege the fact that they where actually never trailing the ALCS against the Orioles it was tied 1-1 going back to Baltimore but they where never trailing in the series.

Thanks.

[TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0]

You're right, I was thinking they lost Game 1, but that was the Jeff Maier game. They lost Game 2.

 

Kenny Rogers helped make Game 4 of the World Series my favorite game of all time. If he hadn't given up those 6 runs, would there be a dramatic comeback, an amazing 1-0 win in Game 5, and the finale in Game 6? Rogers' start was a huge swing game in that series. Of course, he didn't do very much.